No Tilt Display! why not Tilt the Genos?

[ton37]

Hi, the Genos doesn't have a separate tilt display. For many (as well it is for me) it is a questionable isue.
So, has anyone just tried to tilt the Genos in its entirety (e.g. heighten at the backsite). If so, does it increase the visibility of the display (and the digits above the knobs/sliders?) I guess it will??
And how is the feeling when playing the keys, concerning comfort and playablity.

If it 'works' what would be (for you?) the maximum raise, e.g. degrees for comfortable playing?

I can imagine that one has to reach less to the touchscreen and slider/knobs. That would be more ergonomic (for back/arm stretching/visibility etc.)

I see many keyboardists with 2 keyboards on a rack/standard on which the keyboard is reasonable tilt, that's why I came to this idea.

As I momentairly doesn't have a keyboard, I cannot try it myself. But I'm curious if it could work..?
Greetings, Ton

[KeyboardByBiggs]

For me, the way they've designed it I have no issues with using it as is. I'm sure you could tilt it quite a bit, up to the point it affects your ability to play the keys.

[keynote]

The Genos has a somewhat tilted screen already. You are right in that there is no adjustable tilt display like they have on the Tyros. Yamaha engineers constructed what they considered an optimal degree of tilt for the Genos LCD display. When you sit to play the Genos the display is bright and easily readable. The same is true when you stand and play the Genos so there is really no reason or need to tilt the keyboard itself in order to achieve good results. Now if you have a duel setup with a two tier keyboard stand with the Genos on the top tier you could optionally adjust the stands keyboard mounts up or down to better suit your playing needs which would also tilt the Genos display forward or backward accordingly. Most people play the Genos on a regular keyboard stand that is also level which is normally how you would play a keyboard (piano).

Mike

[Al Ram]

Ton
I had the same reaction at first.   However,  after getting the Genos and playing it, i have found no issues or need to further tilt the Genos screen.     Having said that, i am not sure that if you play in the sun or direct light you would need to tilt the screen . . . . accordingly.     

but so far no issues for me.

thanks

[travlin-easy]

Keep in mind that all of the newer keyboard utilize supertwist displays, which can be seen very well at any angle - no need for a tilt screen.

Gary

[ton37]

Thanks you for your  (reassuring) reactions. I Will Keep that in Mind when I going to try out the Genos next week. Each New Technical design is a mix between technicians views and economics importance. Sometimes the ergonomics is then less important. But that's simply  a buyer's choice 

[EileenL]

You will find the screen really comfortable to use. With outside playing I had to have a shield when playing my Tyros 5 in strong sunlight but Genos is a lot clearer.

[Lloyd E]

The Genos screen is easy to use without the need for a tilting screen. It looks a lot nicer and works fine without tilting at all. Get used to the screen and you will be happy,.  Lloyd

[Al Ram]

You will find the screen really comfortable to use. With outside playing I had to have a shield when playing my Tyros 5 in strong sunlight but Genos is a lot clearer.

Eileen
what type of shield ?

thanks

[travlin-easy]

Al, years ago, when displays were totally unreadable outdoors, we made screen shrouds that resembled an air scoop on an old hot rod car out of black construction paper and held them in place with velcro strips placed around the edge of the display housing. Worked great.

Good luck,

Gary

[Al Ram]

Gary

thanks a lot. It is good to know if playing outdoors, however, it seems that is no longer needed.

thanks again.

[EileenL]

I used similar to Gary but made mine from card board.

[jerryghr]

They are now making clip on shades for portable devices.  Would work on tilt displays outdoors.

Here is one example:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OUKZMR2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00OUKZMR2&pd_rd_wg=x6mD8&pd_rd_r=DPRYMT1Y1G370QBBWQDB&pd_rd_w=6bKrm



Regards,

Jerryghr


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[Al Ram]

They are now making clip on shades for portable devices.  Would work on tilt displays outdoors.

Here is one example:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OUKZMR2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00OUKZMR2&pd_rd_wg=x6mD8&pd_rd_r=DPRYMT1Y1G370QBBWQDB&pd_rd_w=6bKrm

Jerryghr

it looks good !   i wonder about the size for Genos, . . . .   

Regards,

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

.........With outside playing I had to have a shield when playing my Tyros 5 in strong sunlight but Genos is a lot clearer.

Have had real problems  at garden parties with Tyros. Glad to hear Eileen they will be less with Genos, so far it is too cold for garden parties in Finland   

Cheers

Kaarlo

[travlin-easy]

Kaarlo, the last time I was in that part of the world, they only had two seasons - winter and winter. It was always too cold!

Gary

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Kaarlo, the last time I was in that part of the world, they only had two seasons - winter and winter. It was always too cold!

Gary

Yes Gary, you are right and we in deed have  the saying

                                "Our summer is short, but it is not snowing all the time."

I am playing outdoors on June 6th, and 26th. Will be around  49 F.  By the way I know NOBODY who has visited as many countries as you have.

Cheer

Kaarlo




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[Lee Batchelor]

Great pic, Kaarlo!!

Is that straw attached to a trumpet or a bottle ?

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hi Lee,
that silicone tube goes to the breath controller Neil Steiner gave me the schematics for some 30 years ago

                                 http://www.patchmanmusic.com/NyleSteinerHomepage.html

so I could build the breath controller myself. It has both a VCA and a VCF so if you route the wind instruments on Tyros or Genos to the Aux out you can blow your wind instruments to sound like real ones using the  excellent trumpets and saxes available as presets.
The old brass trumpet is just for show business and  I  am regularly asked whether the tube is connected to a bottle of whisky. To which I say, "you seem to know Louis Armstrong always had a glass hidden in the huge towel he would wipe his face with - I saw him live in Hamburg  taking a sip all the time. He will forever remain my Idol, but take a look, this tube goes into the preamp."

Was out in my garden to-day with the Genos and I had the impression you can see the display in sun light especially if you make a  "roof" for the display out of black cardboard and tape it to the housing which is easily done.  I feel here is not need for any tilting.

Cheers

Kaarlo

Cheers

Kaarlo

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[markstyles]

While I always liked and tilted the screen on a T5.... I find no issue with the Genos screen as is..  From a practical point of view, the tilting screen was a good candidate for an accident. 

[DerekA]

I've just moved up to the Tyros 5, and I really like the tilting screen. Even though the screen layout is the same as the S770 it's much easier to use along with the sliders.

[gerarde]

I took a small cardboard box, cut off one side, then cut all sides to lower it, faced the opening to me, and works perfect in the sun.
I may spray paint it black to look better.

Gerard

[ton37]

Hi, a short update. After weigh and weigh I finally made it up and have bought (again) a mint Tyros 5-76 for a very reasonable price. That is a personal choice, but the T5 offers me so much of what I need (even more than that). The soundquality and the musical potency are more than enough for ME. In relation to this post/subject: if I could choose between a Genos with or without a tilt display, I certainly go for a tilted screen. In my homestudio I work with lightning just above the keyboard so that my old eyes easily can read the musicsheets etc. The flat display of the Genos reflects the lamp, what is a bit annoyance. Ofcourse, that is soluble, but adjusting no needed with the T5. Coming years I'm assured to have a great keyboard at my disposal, and once the Genos 2 will appear in the market. Maybe, just maybe then again I will scratching my head??
Ofcourse it is pure a personal choice, and I respect everybodies choice. The mean reason is that one enjoy making music with whichever keyboard you have. I want everybody to be a happy musician and share the joy of playing with keyboards.
Regards Ton

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

......In my homestudio I work with lightning just above the keyboard so that my old eyes easily can read the musicsheets etc. The flat display of the Genos reflects the lamp, what is a bit annoyance.
Regards Ton

Ton you are right. I also happen to  have a lighting fixture right over the Genos in my studio. I have had to leave that lamp unlit due to the reflection. Not a big problem for me as like Errol Garner    I am not able to play a keyboard from sheet music. With a saxophone it is easy as you have your fingers in the right place automatically, on a keyboard I must look to know where I am.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Audrey Turner]

Hello Everyone,

I didn't like the non tilt DARK screen either, but on reading the User Manual I discovered there is a way to brighten it using the - "Changing the Brightness of Lighting Buttons" - shown on page 25 of the Owner's Manual. You are given options on how bright to have it and I moved my screen to it's very highest option and for me, it works very well.  Thought you might like to know this.

Audrey Turner

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Audrey! I had forgotten about that adjustment.

You're fairly new here, I believe. Welcome aboard !

- Lee

[Depo1964]

Not having received my Genos yet, and not directly related to the specific question....

however, could using an ipad pro help facilitate this problem?

Could the ipad pro duplicate what is seen on the Genos screen?

Could the ipad pro also duplicate any changes made? 

[Al Ram]

Could the ipad pro duplicate what is seen on the Genos screen?

i have Genos and iPad Pro 12.9.  Do not know any way that can be done . . . .

I use the iPad Pro to see my PDF's.   So, i believe that in this case, seeing the Genos screen on the iPad would conflict with seeing the PDF's.

thanks   

[Lee Batchelor]

I played an outdoor gig this past weekend. We were under a tent with no direct sun light, but plenty of daylight. I refuse to play in open sunlight conditions for two reasons: you sit there and bake, and the birds are not to be trusted with their periodic aerial bowel movements!

There were no problems reading the screen. In similar conditions with my T5, I would have had to change the angle a bit - perhaps more than I was used to.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

quote : I refuse to play in open sunlight conditions for two reasons: you sit there and bake, and the birds are not to be trusted with their periodic aerial bowel movements!

Lee,

I did that last Sunday and the dinner jacket went to the cleaner      BTW some birds do dissipate stuff that one must immediately wipe off the keyboard as it may if left on leave marks that later cannot be removed.

Cheers

Kaarlo