Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5

[whataguy]

And here I thought sliders are what you ordered with a beer for a quick and easy lunch. Don in MI

[Will49]

And here I thought sliders are what you ordered with a beer for a quick and easy lunch.

Well, I didn't know that one... so looked it up:
https://www.thespruce.com/all-american-sliders-479161

...and here in the UK, 'sliders' are what women wear on their feet!! 😁 😁
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11435540316693642364

Regards,
Will

[whataguy]

Will, you are my kinda guy. Now look up 'Good On Ya'. Don in MI

[Gloria]

Well, I feel I can put my 2 cents worth in - I just heard a live demo in our Scottsdale, Az.music store played by a PSR Forum member & professional entertainer, Manuel Dorantes & he & his Genos are just fantastic!  I listened "live" & last wk. listened over my inexpensive computer speakers & you can hear a big difference when even only one note is played on the Genos!

[whataguy]

I agree G., thanks for the heads-up. Keep 'em comin'. Don in MI

[Pino]

I know,  Genos sounds good
But,
As a gigging musician, what new features would I benefit from using Genos?
I'm already playing Genos styles on all my keyboards.

Pino

[Fred Smith]

I'm already playing Genos styles on all my keyboards.

Be sure to thank those that bought a Genos who made this possible for you.

Fred

[EileenL]

Yes I agree Fred. Tyros will never sound like a Genos and neither will the styles.

[panos]

I have also downloaded the classic demonstration style of the Genos.
After revoicing/mixing the style I have played it on my psr s750.

https://soundcloud.com/user-74537650/game-of-thrones-main-themeyamaha-psr-s750-keyboard-cover

When Main D comes in about the middle of the cover. you can hear the keyboard "struggling" to produce the sounds.
The right hand vilolin sounds are like choking and their volume is dramatically reduced like there is a cut off effect.
I guess there are too many organs playing at the same time and the keyboard just cannot handle all those sounds.
I think this is where a keyboard's polyphony capability gets involved?
So at least to me, is obvious what the differences may be between a really good model as my own and the best model out there right now.

[Pino]

Hi Fred
I've given Yamaha over $20,000 of my money in the past 10 years

I think they should send me 4 or 5 free styles every month
And a Yamaha cap every Christmas. lol

5 keyboards, 2 speaker systems and a Mixer

Have a nice day 

[Fred Smith]

I've given Yamaha over $20,000 of my money in the past 10 years

I think they should send me 4 or 5 free styles every month
And a Yamaha cap every Christmas. lol

5 keyboards, 2 speaker systems and a Mixer

And how much did you pay for the Genos styles you are using?

Fred

[Pino]

Fred, maybe it's a good idea to go out more
Take your Genos out and do a few gigs now and again
It really GOOD FUN, 

[Pianoman]

I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and
frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard.

Vehemently defensive responses like " you'll never make friends here"
or "leave Genos owners in peace" when the same Genos owners are
complaining about bugs and all kinds of issues on a daily basis here,
are not a healthy attitude.

I believe that some members truly want to understand all there is to
know about issues, before taking the plunge and buying a Genos.

And some who want to question the wild claims that the Genos is
twice as good, or even 10 times better than their Tyroses,.

They post their doubts and questions here, not to deride the Genos
or it's owners, but to get a better understanding, and possibly
answers, delivered in a reasonable fashion.

I have read a post, by Will49 I think, where a knowledgeable person has told him
that, with keyboard technology already so advanced, it is impossible to make a
huge technological leap from one keyboard generation to the next.

A slight improvement yes, but not twice or ten times better than a previous
generation.

This has always been a friendly forum, where people came to seek answers.

But something has changed in a profound way.

There is an unhealthy and defensive hostility from some quarters,
directed at other members who question the veracity of some claims
relating to the Genos.

A member, whose posts have now been deleted, advised me not to post here,
when I noted that Genos prices are beginning to be more affordable.

This section may be about the Genos, but not exclusive to Genos owners.

It is my understanding that any member is free to post their thoughts, questions,
and concerns here.

Agreeing to disagree on issues in a civil and polite manner has always been the
adult way of doing things.

Please let's go back to the days when civility was the order of the day.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[Bud2]

The Genos styles played on another keyboard will never sound anything like they would on the Genos because they won't have the Revo drums in them, to me this is one of the main things that maked the Genos stand out from the rest. 
Bill

[Joe H]

I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and
frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard...

... But something has changed in a profound way...

... It is my understanding that any member is free to post their thoughts, questions,
and concerns here.

Agreeing to disagree on issues in a civil and polite manner has always been the
adult way of doing things.

Please let's go back to the days when civility was the order of the day.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

Thank you for your comments.



Joe H

[Lee Batchelor]

I notice three major improvements on the Genos over the T5:

• Far better pianos
• Revo drums
• Overall sound processing

[whataguy]

That's why I stopped wearing high heels, a skirt and blouse, I Just Don't look as Good in them. Like Ringo Starr is famous for saying "Peace and Love, Peace and Love". D. in MI

[Pianoman]

Thank you for your comments.



Joe H

You're most welcome Joe.

I thought that it might help bring back a bit of civility.
It sometimes seems like madness has prevailed and
reason has been tossed out of the window.

I appreciate your comments and the thanks.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[panos]

"Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5"
...and nobody sales his Genos
That makes the Genos owners so unfriendly...

[Gunnar Jonny]

"Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5"
...and nobody sales his Genos
That makes the Genos owners so unfriendly...

Not quite true, here is one used at norwegian 'Finn', a kind of eBay.
There will be more, just give it time. The prices for new items getting lower each week, so if pocket is loaded and patience is your friend,all that sudden you'll have one.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I think it is a sad state of affairs when people cannot have open and frank discussions about the Pros and Cons of a keyboard.
.......Vehemently defensive responses like " you'll never make friends here" or "leave Genos owners in peace" ..... are not a healthy attitude.....

Pianoman.

THANKS for an overdue excellent reflective post.  But first a little off topic:  I went to YouTube and realized what a great performer you are. I looked and listened to What a Wonderful World several times and having enjoyed Louis Armstrong live many times  during a long life I was overwhelmed by how well you could impersonate him not only vocally, also in his habitus. He was not only a great musician but had an unrivaled charm on stage. I wonder whether you used the "Mary to Bob setting" for the vocal (I do for many of  Armstrong's songs)  but it does not sound half as authentic as you do.  Purists tell me I should not  try to imitate neither Louis Armstrong nor Nat King Cole, but it is tempting with to-days technology.

I am on many forums - not only music, also technical and all-round ones like Quora - and I cannot help a strange feeling creeping up.  There is an imbalance between  useless arguing and real help. (I would not be surprised in case I learned that all these very informative posts like  "My Genos arrived this afternoon, fantastic !"  could have the same type of origin as the hundreds of thousands of posts telling us how great Mr.Putin is.

For instance I have the problem with two specimens of Genos, namely that on both the memorized registry settings  that at first work as they should  (which means they must have been set up properly), after a couple of gigs  are completely corrupted, e.g. return to default slider settings, intros left out, tempos changed etc.  And this is irrespective of  whether they were saved on User or a USB, so I deduct it cannot be a defect in the memory medium, it must be a defect in the  "interpretation software"  of what is in the memory. As a fact the page listing the bank shows it is not what it used to be.  It would seem impossible to me that I have the only two Genos with this problem.  So I ask myself  how come no-one has touched this vital problem or responded.  Could it be that it is the "my car is faultless -syndrome" you have all encountered.  People are not aware of  a cooling insufficiency  defect because they never did what brings up the problem like driving over the Swiss Alps. But then again there are too many VERY knowledgeable  posters on this forum to whom this cannot apply.

Cheers
Kaarlo

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I notice three major improvements on the Genos over the T5:

• Far better pianos
• Revo drums
• Overall sound processing

Thanks Lee for a statement that that is not only  IMHO correct and to the point but very relevant for deciding whether to buy or not.   Help is what people expect from forums.  I does not really help to read "My Genos finally arrived this afternoon, I am very happy"  although the pursuit of happiness is even mentioned in the constitution.

Cheers 
Kaarlo 

[Pianoman]

THANKS for an overdue excellent reflective post.  But first a little off topic:  I went to YouTube and realized what a great performer you are. I looked and listened to What a Wonderful World several times and having enjoyed Louis Armstrong live many times  during a long life I was overwhelmed by how well you could impersonate him not only vocally, also in his habitus. He was not only a great musician but had an unrivaled charm on stage. I wonder whether you used the "Mary to Bob setting" for the vocal (I do for many of  Armstrong's songs)  but it does not sound half as authentic as you do. Purists tell me I should not  try to imitate neither Louis Armstrong nor Nat King Cole, but it is tempting with to-days technology.

Cheers
Kaarlo

Hello Kaarlo.

Thank you for your wonderful compliments, and for liking my post.
I appreciate both very much.

The level of incivility has been slowly rising these past few months.
At first almost imperceptible, but now gathering pace.

Some of it from long time members, who definitely should
know better. 

What is a Mary to Bob setting?
I've never heard that term used before.

I sing into my Yamaha powered mixer, not into the keyboard.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Mary > Bob" is a setting in the Tyros 5,  Genos and almost all Harmony Voice generators, where the input singer's voice is transferred  1 octave lower giving you  sort of a gravely Louis Armstrong voice.  It is also useful when having 2 harmony systems with one mic each like I use so that you can for instance mimic tunes like "Gone Fishing" made famous by Louis Armstrong   One singer sings some words and then the harmonized answer comes from the other system. Or for  instance  by singing into both mikes adding the melody one octave lower. You can get harmony + the low voice  on many harmonizers. but it will not sound natural without using two mics and moving your mouth back and forth between them. The Harmony voice generator on Genos is better than on Tyros and maybe even Digitech's and Helicons best rack mounted units  which I also happen to have just like the Roland VP 7.
             
                        http://www.gigasonic.com/Digitech-Vocalist-Live-Pro.html 

I am always surprised how few performers use voice harmonizing. It is probably because like with everything you must learn to use them to get a good result. This is a demo of how it should not sound

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHnp14NWFY0,

this is IMHO a very good example

                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_gd-H7JAQ         

or am I blinded by that extremely charming Lady Satori ? As they say high age does not make you immune to female charm.

[Pianoman]

Hello again Kaarlo.

Thank you very much for the explanation and the video link.

I have just watched the video and it's quite interesting, but it's a bit
too much technology for me.

Many music related circles here do not have a very high opinion of
Arranger keyboards, or arranger players in general.

We are not considered "real musicians" and our music is often called
"canned" music.

To keep working, it is not enough to just play good music.
I have to totally obliterate the competition, and get it
right every single time.

So I try to keep my use of technology at an absolute minimum, turning off as
many accompaniment tracks as necessary when playing.

Except when it is absolutely unavoidable to use all 8 tracks.

Singing into a hamonizer, where an audience hears a whole choir, even
though there's only one guy on stage, will destroy any credibility that I
still have left.

I normally just plug my microphone into my Mixer Amp and belt away
till it's time to go home.

It looks like a good tool for studio work though.

Thanks again.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Will49]

Many music related circles here do not have a very high opinion of Arranger keyboards, or arranger players in general. We are not considered "real musicians" and our music is often called  "canned" music. So I try to keep my use of technology at an absolute minimum, turning off as many accompaniment tracks as necessary when playing.

Hi Abby. I totally agree! In fact, I have noticed a decline in my playing ability over the years... and that's because all the modern technology has turned me into a lazy player! When I first got started (mid 1970s), it was on electronic organs, Hammond, Gulbransen, Kawai etc., none if which had any of today's sophisticated auto-accompaniment tracks... so things like intros and endings were things you very often had to come up with yourself... and actually play them instead of hitting a button and listen to a recording as we now do!

This was brought home to me in a flash last year when someone I hadn't seen in many, many years called round - I had my Tyros 4 this time round. The last time I'd seen her was in 1982 when I had my Kawai DX900, so I couldn't wait to show off my T4 to her. But I was immediately brought down to earth with a bump when she laughed and said... "Hey, that's bluffing but you're not fooling me... that thing is doing it all for you"! She's a very good friend from long ago, so no hard feelings! And more importantly, of course, is the fact that she was spot on! These modern arrangers may make some of us sound better than we did years ago, but it's not necessarily due to our playing ability as a lot of it is down to all that pre-recorded stuff jangling away inside the keyboard! Proper/"real musicians" are those who can turn all of that stuff off... and still sound amazing!

Best regards,
Will49

[stephenm52]

Will, you bring up a good point. All my music instruction was on piano, once I started playing arrangers my playing ability declined and I got lazy.   I recently completed a 2 month long 1 hour weekly piano solo gig in the lobby of an upscale medical facility, it's a wallpaper music style gig but I was happy to have it because it got me back to playing piano.  Next year I'm already booked for 3 months but knowing that I'll be playing it I've gone back to working on piano solo tunes.

[EileenL]

I do agree that I have never seen anything like the bickering that has gone on regards Genos. For one thing there are far to many sections. All Genos posts should be under one heading as other boards are. If Yamaha do look in on forums they must have been very disappointed in what they saw going on here. A lot of the nasty posts should have been stopped by moderators anyway. Genos section should be for information, help if needed and given in a constructive way.
  I know of quite a few peole that went back to there Tyros 4 keyboard after having Tyros 5 for a short while but it did not have the effect that going back to Tyros 5 from Genos has had. WHY???

[Pino]

Will49,    after playing in 5 or 6 piece bands for many years and getting reasonable pay and then the discos and karaoke coming along with just one guy being paid the bands were put out of business,

Isn't the arranger keyboard a way back in for some of us musicians

We're  back in the completion 
be happy 

One man band

[panos]

Will, on the other hand, I am glad that those people with this attitude are just  "music related circles" as Abby said and not engineers.
We would still be living in the stone age with those old minds
8 parts in a style = 8 hands playing music = 4 musicians less.
Once again technology is responsible for the unemployment.

So a musician that can play live like a whole band would have done,is not a "real" musician?
In that case the director of The London Philharmonic Orchestra may be nothing more
but a.... metronome? (or maybe the intro and the ending in keyboard's definition.  )

Well in my point of view, some Dj's that the words do-re-mi sound like a playground for children or something, are excellent in playing and producing music.
"Real" or "fake", all I can hear as a listener is the result.