GENOS ON PSR S970 :o

[computec1349]

....

[jerryghr]

Don't get to excited yet.

This video is from Keyboardtips Corporation in Mexico.  I think he's having some fun with people on the internet. 

Could be another case of "Fake news".  A lot of that going on lately.

Jerryghr

[EileenL]

Genos Styles have all been converted for most keyboards and you will find them on this forum.

[jgriffin]

Now I'm curious....have the Genos styles been converted for the T5? And if so...I would love to have the link to that information.  I had not even considered this possibility for my T5 but it sounds intriguing!

[jgriffin]

Answer to my question above....anyone?

[ob7914]

@jgriffin  :

Onacimus made a great job by converting Genos styles for PSR & Tyros
But it will never sound like a genos because of the hardware and global quality

[jgriffin]

Thanks ob7914....totally understand what you're saying.  I wanted to give them a try regardless and I keep looking here:  https://www.psrtutorial.com/sty/collections/onacimus.html but do not see where Genos styles have been converted for a Tyros 5.  What am I missing please?

[ob7914]

I hope Onacimus will read this thread to better inform you (and us)

You can already try these one .
https://www.psrtutorial.com/styles/os_Styles/S970/SMP/GtoS970.zip

(style for s970 work on tyros 5)

[jgriffin]

Thanks ob7914!  I will try these soon.  Have a good evening!

[Joe H]

Hello everyone, yesterday I met the Keyboardtips team. They are really working on a kind of firmware and expansion pack. It's incredible they managed to place the revo technology! in the PSR-S970, they are also working to place it in the Tyros series. We should support this type of project, instead of demeaning the work of these people.

I doubt that they can do a firmware update.  No one has been able to hack the OS.  And if they sampled the Genos Voices to reproduce them as an expansion pack they may have committed copyright infringement because these are new Voices.

I don't see any prices for the packs.

Joe H

[alka]

Take a look, in this video all time expansion/usser button is On. This not new firmware, this expansion pack with Genos voices.

[Roger Brenizer]

What video are you referring to, Alka?  Did you mean to include a link?

[ob7914]

I suppose he refers to the original link from the 1st message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XfZHg4BVM&lc=z23qif44jyifj30ye04t1aokguyt4hyebigvui2vosn1rk0h00410.1519145369347461

where we can see the expansion/user button On

[Joe H]

I suppose he refers to the original link from the 1st message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XfZHg4BVM&lc=z23qif44jyifj30ye04t1aokguyt4hyebigvui2vosn1rk0h00410.1519145369347461

where we can see the expansion/user button On

Rather poor marketing... They say nothing in the video and provide no information on their website.

Joe H

[Henni]

Off course they can put the Genos voices in the S970/S770. I put some astonishing voices in mine.

Once you have the added voices and the modified Genos styles that use these voices, you'll end up having a mini Genos, at least style wise that is.

I will most definitely purchace this package as soon as it becomes available!

[pschwepker]

<<<I founded a video in youtube, that watch the styles of genos on PSR-S970, this is possible, They know something of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XfZHg4BVM&lc=z23qif44jyifj30ye04t1aokguyt4hyebigvui2vosn1rk0h00410.1519145369347461>>

I just got the 970 after my 950 gave out. My question would be whether or not this potential firmware would void my warranty. Having seen my 950 collapse (after 7 years) makes me a bit nervous about placing anything off brand in my machine.

[panos]

From comments bellow video:

Rob F
Is it something, Yamaha releases or something, where Yamaha says "your decision, we aren't responsible"?

KeyboardTips Corporation
Yes, Yamaha says that the update is your decision, and you take the risk of damage on your keyboard. Because a change of no authorized firmware can damage your software.

KeyboardTips Corporation
But, our software was created with specifications of Yamaha and you can sure that this firmware is correct. Coming soon we will release a expansion pack with some sounds and styles of Genos, but now we are working and develop the tecnology Revo! on the PSR-S series.
------------------------
European Dance Expansion pack Drums work just fine for me, I don't need more
Anyway....

Wellcome to the forum pschwepker.
What happened to your psr and "collapsed"?

[Joe H]

Panos,

If you upgrade to an S770 or S970 you would be happy with the Easy Sounds Magic Dance expansion pack.  It is even better the the Euro Dance pack Voices and drum kits.

Joe H
By the way... I would be cautious about installing 3rd party firmware. If it really works I think there could be a law suit.

[panos]

Yes they are really nice and at a good price.
unfortunately I will stick with my s750 for now.
Still is a very good keyboard
(not that I wouldn't like the human voices and new drumkits that s775 has )
Other voices you can edit them as you wish but not these two.

And yes i agree with you Joe that buying a voice/style/pad pack from others while Yamaha musicsoft cannot cover all tastes in music is a different thing than changing/upgratting  the  firmware of your keyboard using an unnothorised third party software that could damage it.

" the update is your decision, and you take the risk of damage on your keyboard"

The keyboard is not like a computer that someone will have to reinstall the windows and all other programs again if it is something wrong with the pc.

[Henni]

If Yamaha could have created all those stunning new styles and voices on the PSR S970 platform, but did not - do you really think that if someone else does, that Yamaha is not going to advise you NOT to install this package? Especially in the light of the difference in price between these two models...

[Joe H]

If Yamaha could have created all those stunning new styles and voices on the PSR S970 platform, but did not - do you really think that if someone else does, that Yamaha is not going to advise you NOT to install this package? Especially in the light of the difference in price between these two models...

We are talking about copyrighted material reverse-engineered or copied OS.  I would never load a non-Yamaha OS in my keyboard.   Yamaha has been lenient about style sharing on this site for personal use.  But there is a difference when it comes to selling Yamaha styles and Voices.

Besides... we will probably get a lot of the Genos styles and features in the next PSR release anyway.

Joe H

[Henni]

If someone reverse engineer Porsche technology and put it in a VW Beatle, giving you the same performance, I can hardly see how that would classify as copy righted material. These guys are doing what Yamaha could/would not - my hat off to them. They are going to save me mega bucks which I do not have in any case.

I could never afford a Tyros - I always had to make do with modified styles on the latest PSR series. Now we are led to believe that new hardware was required to produce the latest Genos styles and sounds. In this competitive market, Yamaha could have produced the next version of the PSR series to have all the Genos features onboard - but they did not. a Genos cost at least seven times more than what I paid for my new PSR S770 recently. Now we find out that all of this could have been created on what was available already? Come on! Yamaha products are great, but certainly over priced. Not all can afford the latest and greatest.

Well done you Keaboardtips guys!!! This world needs more innovative teams like yours.

[DerekA]

I see the Genos as a bit like the first class cabin on the plane.

If you make a cold analysis, then of course it's better than standard class, but it's hard to relate what you actually get to the price being charged.

However, it's the fares that the first class passengers pay that makes the profits for the company.

I would like to thank Tyros and Genos owners for their selfless generosity. If they didn't buy the TOTL arrangers, Yamaha would not be able to sell the PSR S770 - which does an awful lot that the TOTL does - at the price I can afford.

[Joe H]

...  Yamaha could have produced the next version of the PSR series to have all the Genos features onboard - but they did not...

You just might be surprised by what will come in next PSR arranger. They made a big investment to develop the Genos and Yamaha need to get a return on that investment, then the next PSR will inherit some of the technology built into the Genos, but we won't get all of the Genos features or qualty. We have seen it work that way many times over the years. In fact the Genos inherited some features from the PSR S970. And the S970 inherited some features from the S950.

Joe H

[beykock]

I am confused. The S770 and S970 successors will be in the shops soon.

What about the new generation called PSR S775 and S975 ?

These keyboards are the new successors.

Both new keyboards are not available for sale yet, right ?
Maybe as of April 2018 ?

As usual these new models will not be replaced before 2020 or 2021 ... or do Yamaha have other plans soon ?

Babette

[computec1349]

We are talking about copyrighted material reverse-engineered or copied OS.  I would never load a non-Yamaha OS in my keyboard.   Yamaha has been lenient about style sharing on this site for personal use.  But there is a difference when it comes to selling Yamaha styles and Voices.

Besides... we will probably get a lot of the Genos styles and features in the next PSR release anyway.

Joe H

Hello Joe H, I have news about the next models.

One more generation of keyboards is missing so we can see some of the characteristics of Genos. Martin Harris is the one who approves the new keyboards, I have communication with him and with other people from Yamaha, so we will have a mini genos until 2020-2021 at a high cost.

[Joe H]

Hello Joe H, I have news about the next models.

One more generation of keyboards is missing so we can see some of the characteristics of Genos. Martin Harris is the one who approves the new keyboards, I have communication with him and with other people from Yamaha, so we will have a mini genos until 2020-2021 at a high cost.

As I alluded above how things work... I wouldn't be surprised by what you have stated here.  And there could be some improvements as noted by the technically inclined folks here.

Joe H

[EileenL]

Having known Martin Harris for many many years I can tell you he will not divulge anything about new products until launch time. This as we all know is Yamaha's policy and always has been. We must all be patient and wait and see what turns up on this new keyboard.

[Joe H]

Having known Martin Harris for many many years I can tell you he will not divulge anything about new products until launch time. This as we all know is Yamaha's policy and always has been. We must all be patient and wait and see what turns up on this new keyboard.

I tend to think you are correct. PJ ran into "Bad Mister" and asked him about the new arranger (Genos) and Phil's comment was something to the effect...  Oh... just you wait! He gave no details. 

Dealers don't even get an advanced notice about new products until they are announced  publicly.



Joe H

[panos]

Why do they sell Genos's styles?
Yamaha made those styles.
If they want to make money from selling styles,they should make their own styles like other style makers do.