My First week of having Genos and a brief comparison with my Tyros5 and KorgPa4x

[Bachus]

I think the video is kind of misleading..
Due to bad sound quallity, it wants to make people believe the Tyros 5 sounds better and more authentic.

I compared these 3 keyboards for 2 whole days...
And when you take the main piano sound, the Genos and Pa4x are quite. Alot above the T5
When you add dsp, Genos definately can archieve the best sound.

When you compare the new sounds of the Genos, to the sounds that are also in the T5, You can also hear a difference, many of the newer sounds are more dynamic.  And when you start using dsp, you can aleviate the sound of the Genos even more..

What often happens after playing an instrument for years, is that your ears get used to the sound, and the sound you used for so long will have become your prefference.

Also many of the older sounds still use exactly the same samples, and are identical in both instruments, but as said, the Genos dsp can lift the sound more then the T5 dsp. Just because of the simple,fact that the Genos has more dsp power.  Keep in mind that dsp often gives the best natural results when you use it in small subtle amounts..

That to say, is that you can make the Genos sound exactly like the T5, but you can not make the T5 sound like the Genos.

[Gunnar Jonny]

....... What often happens after playing an instrument for years, is that your ears get used to the sound, and the sound you used for so long will have become your prefference. .. ..
....... That to say, is that you can make the Genos sound exactly like the T5, but you can not make the T5 sound like the Genos.

You're right, but also our hearing going through changes during the years, it's just like the rest of the body, it goes 'downhillh'.. 
Very few, if any, have the same frequency specter during the lifetime.
If the goal is to make Genos sound like or be a T5 or T4 'twin', it's probably a better solution to keep what you have.
Myself, so far I don't regret a single second that I bought Genos, simply love it more for each day I sit down to play it. 

[Pianoman]

Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.


From " The Boxer "  by Simon And Garfunkel.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[stephenm52]

I have met and listened to Baartmans in Orlando Florida at a workshop for the Clavinova CVP-709 the man has got plenty of talent.   Part of what his job is "selling the sizzle, not the steak," as the adage reads.


Sizzle not the steak? "This sales phrase was coined by Elmer Wheeler in the mid-1920s. It urged salespeople to focus on the experience around a product being sold rather than simply on the object itself. It means appealing to the senses and emotions of the buyer with the assumption that this is what motivates most people to purchase."

[Pianoman]

I have read many praises of Peter Baartmanns, and I'm sure
that some are indeed well deserved.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[manuel]

I agree 100 % with Eileen, my Genos sounds AMAZING, I still have the T5, is waiting for the next owner, and to repeat, even the registrations from my T5 sound better in the Genos.
I am not sure if the people that cant hear the difference, did they selected the NEW CFX Concert piano.....sounds totally different, and the Ensambles are amazing too....,etc....the new Styles, and some of the old ones have been re-touched/fine tuned, the new S.A.2 Voices, etc.

Way to many differences....if you really know how to use the Tyros 5. Having said that:

I know that Genos may NOT be for everyone....like not everybody drives only Jaguar, Toyota, VW, etc....that is why we have other choices.

My 2 cents.

Manuel

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I have from the beginning a lot of problems with my T5 registrations , i made them new on the Genos ( os 1.10) all my files are on the User drive . after update 1.20
there are now a lot of registrations ( made on Genos) that dont work anymore .
When i select the registration you can see the right style in Register bank info  ( see picture) , but i doesnt play the selected style ?
I wrote several times to Yamaha , they answer that the complexity of the machine can give some problems and they hope there comes a solution ?
I have after update 1.20 more problems than before , and a lot of "hick-ups" (switching between registration about 30 seconds, or freezzing up while editing .
Because the fine sound of the Genos , i want to keep it . But after struggling fore 4 months , my patience is almost gone .

Soryt 

I am too told to keep my act together, just saw this posting you made. The photos of the bank information show EXACTLY  the problems  I have. I offered to send photos but Fred and Eileen, who say they have no problems whatsoever,  but they said  photos are of no help so now I have sent the corrupted files. I am looking forward to their comments.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[EileenL]

Where are the files. I have not seen them here.

[travlin-easy]

I guess I look at this a bit differently than most. When I upgrade to a new keyboard, which I did many, many times, I rarely transferred my registrations. The reason I didn't was the same reason I upgraded - I wanted new and better sounds - not the same sounds I was hearing with the older keyboard. I, like many, had lots of registrations, but in nearly every instance, the new keyboard had some vastly new and improved sounds and voices that made that same song sound so much better. Consequently, it usually took me from 3 to 4 months of working with the new keyboard to create the NEW registrations and Music Finder Directory. About the only reason I would transfer the registrations is so I could go back into  each and every one of them and edit every aspect of it. For me, this has always been a non-issue.

Good luck, explore that NEW keyboard, be creative, and you will discover a whole, new world,

Gary 

[Eric, B]

Well said Gary,
That is exactly how I see it and do it.
I am usually done setting everything up in 2 month or so, but keep tweaking it for several month as I get more and more familiar with a new KB
Eric

[EileenL]

I have loaded some of my Tyros 5 registrations into Genos and believe me they sound great. Also some of the Genos voices are picked up but sound much richer. I am well pleased.

[Bud2]

I totally agree Eileen, I took my Genos to our sons over Christmas and New year, I had not had chance to do many new Registrations before we went so the majority of the Registrations I used were the ones from my Tyros 5 and they definitely sounded so much better, even our son and his wife said the same. I just can't understand why so many people are saying they are not happy with the Genos. Yes things are slightly different and to get to things again are different but surely this is to be expected with a new keyboard. You just have to take your time and see how to do things.
Bill

[EileenL]

Yes Bill,
  There are a lot of people that are more than happy with Genos and with using previous keyboard registrations. Trouble is I think a lot that complain do not even have Genos.

[Bud2]

Well if that's the case Eileen how can they make any real judgments, you surely need to have one for a while before you can make any true comparisons or comments. I must admit though I was very impressed when I heard it in the room where we could get our hands on it at the Yamaha Weekend, even before I sat down to have a good look and a quick play of a couple of tunes, despite only hearing it then through headphones.
As I have said on a thread I created, the only slight disappointment was the fact that when the sliders are set to drawbars there is quite a lot of movement before the numbers change on the screen, if they reacted almost immediately the range of movement of the sliders wouldn't be far off the length of the real thing.
Bill

[metcam]

Yes Bill,
  There are a lot of people that are more than happy with Genos and with using previous keyboard registrations. Trouble is I think a lot that complain do not even have Genos.

I am more than happy with Genos. All my registrations from Tyros5 working perfectly with NO problems. Most of my registrations are created from Custom voices/drums/styles/ pads/midi files and working perfectly.
Also because there is a loot of space in Genos RAM I loaded custom sets even from Tyros2 and Tyros3 and goes what?: EVERYTHING WORKING PERFECTLY.
SO........

Regards.

[EileenL]

Yes I think most of us have found that if we copied registrations correctly they are all working on Genos with no problem. Yamaha have come up trumps again with this one.

[travlin-easy]

As I have stated on other threads, registrations are very powerful, yet simple tools in your keyboard. They will only do exactly what you tell the to do - nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that is having registration problems should go to the lessons section of the forum and read the lessons that Fred and I posted several years ago. This will clear up any problems they may be encountering. Here's a link to the one I wrote many years ago. https://www.psrtutorial.com/lessons/playing/regist/10regGD.html



Registrations cannot be corrupted. However, files they are linked to, third-party style files and midi files, can be corrupted. But the registration itself cannot be corrupted.

Hope this helps,

Gary 

[Ingar]

Finally I got my Genos and I did a very brief comparison with my Tyros5 Keyboard. I was surprised that the main Sounds are  all the same on both keyboards. However I like the Genos design and light weight. Overall if you have Tyros5, don't rush! I could not find a big difference sound-wise. To me, Genos is like re-packaging of Tyros5 with different look and feel. I recorded my comparison with an iphone camera and shared it on YouTube ( https://youtu.be/4U8S28tz3Mg ). I apologize for my poor English speaking. I hope the video helps.

When you say Geno's was not the big progress for you, obviously nobody can disagree with you. In that case, it would be to overestimate your own experience ..
But many others certainly have opposite experiences.

Best Regards Ingar

[bluali]

When you say Geno's was not the big progress for you, obviously nobody can disagree with you. In that case, it would be to overestimate your own experience ..
But many others certainly have opposite experiences.

Best Regards Ingar

I agree. Actually, in my opinion Genos is the best Yamaha arranger so far and Tyros5 is also very close to Genos. Obviously those who have had keyboards such as Korg, PSR series or even TY3/4, they can be very impressed by Genos (and Tyros5).  As a mater of fact in main sounds such as Piano and Guitar and Violin, etc, there is not a huge differences between Genos and Tyros5. What I meant in my post to show that if you have Tyros 5 do not rush for buying Genos! you still have a great keyboard! However, the arranger applications is not all about the sounds, I see Genos is more advanced and better than TY5 in other aspects such as weight , design, ease of use in live performances, better effects,etc .  I am so glad that Yamaha usually listens to people and noticed that the "Search" feature that I had mentioned in my YouTube Video was added recently to Genos and it is so helpful.(Thank you Yamaha! )