Genos order from MF

[edtek]

Ordered yesterday with Presidents day deal.  Said they will come in end of month. MF doesn't carry GNS speakers.  Hope they carry speakers by time kb arrives (have to buy from MF to use store credit).

Can't really justify for my playing level.  I will only use about 10% of its capabilities but there's no luggage rack on taxi to heaven so what the heck.

Things that tipped me over:
built in typing kb (hate entering text on PSRs);
the playlist feature;
will replace 2 kbs (my 88key P255 and 670 (never use those keys at either end of 88key kb));
no more fiddling with T5 etc styles to work on 670.

[Lee Batchelor]

So long as you get pleasure from the Genos, Ed. By the way, what the heck is "MF?"

[Kokoriz]

So long as you get pleasure from the Genos, Ed. By the way, what the heck is "MF?"

Am guessing MusiciansFriends, an online store owned by Guitar Center I think. I could be wrong.

[edtek]

Yes, Musicians Friend.  Sorry for being too lazy to write it out.

[Lee Batchelor]

No worries, Ed .

[edtek]

Oh no! When ordered Musicians Friend said Feb 28.  Now they've pushed it out to Mar 10 :-(  I understand Genos' are on allocation and fly out of dealers as soon as they arrive. 

Om om (meditation word to relieve stress and impatience).

[guitpic1]

Ordered yesterday with Presidents day deal.  Said they will come in end of month. MF doesn't carry GNS speakers.  Hope they carry speakers by time kb arrives (have to buy from MF to use store credit).

Can't really justify for my playing level.  I will only use about 10% of its capabilities but there's no luggage rack on taxi to heaven so what the heck.

Love My Genos

If I bought a keyboard equal to my abilities...I would be shopping for a basic Casio keyboard.  😊

But one thing I've learned over the years about instruments, if they are good(and Genos is) they inspire us to improve our playing skills

[StuartR]

Oh no! When ordered Musicians Friend said Feb 28.  Now they've pushed it out to Mar 10 :-(  I understand Genos' are on allocation and fly out of dealers as soon as they arrive. 

Om om (meditation word to relieve stress and impatience).

I prefer shouting "Serenity now!" with both hands up several times. (From the Seinfeld comedy series).😁

[valimaties]

Yes, Musicians Friend.  Sorry for being too lazy to write it out.

As not all of us come from USA or UK, it is better for all that don't speak (write) english very well, to not abbreviate some words are not so common. We learn about IMO or IMHO ( ) but not all abbreviations are understandable !

Thanks.

Regards,
Vali

[Roger Brenizer]

The preferred and most acceptable way to use abbreviations, or acronyms, is to use the abbreviation followed by the explanation in parentheses, as follows:

Yamaha keyboards are the best keyboards on the planet, IMO (In My Opinion).

That only needs to be referenced like this in the first usage in the communication, because thereafter it is understood.

In business communications I sometimes wrote something like this, as follows:

Yamaha keyboards are the best keyboards on the planet, in my opinion, hereinafter referred to as IMO.

Either one of these methods communicates the meaning if the abbreviation or acronym to the reader. 

BTW (By The Way), this has been discussed many times on the forum in the past.     

[Joe H]

EIASL (English Is A Second Language) for many forum members here, and for others who don't know English at all... must use software like Google Translator.

Did I do that right Roger?



Joe H
PS: The above is not a real acronym... I'm just playing.   

[Roger Brenizer]

Yes, Joe, IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) you are correct.    I knew you were only joking!!!     

On a serious note, I'm glad you pointed out the fact that English is a second language to many of our forum members.  The Google Translator most likely wouldn't know how to interpret and translate abbreviations or acronyms.     

[Lee Batchelor]

Good stuff, Roger - from a fellow technical writer (TW) .

[Gloria]

ED, quoting you-  "but there's no luggage rack on taxi to heaven so what the heck.'

GO FOR IT ED, & I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THE SAME!   

[edtek]

Update:  Based on recommendations here I called Frank at AudioWorksCT and he does have a very good price but is not expecting more Genos until May! 

[MarkF_48]

Update:  Based on recommendations here I called Frank at AudioWorksCT and he does have a very good price but is not expecting more Genos until May! 

Ed, Sweetwater shows having stock. Very good retailer that adds on an extra 2 year warranty to what they sell. I don't know how their pricing compares.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Genos

[Lloyd E]

If you ordered it from Audioworks in Milford Ct. you would have saved lot's of money and he would have your speakers quickly. Reliable dealer as attested by any members here who have enjoyed Audioworks  products. If you cancel from MF you couid enjoy Audioworks too. Tel. 203 876-1133 Ask for Frank Ventresca.   Lloyd

[MarkF_48]

If you ordered it from Audioworks in Milford Ct. you would have saved lot's of money and he would have your speakers quickly. Reliable dealer as attested by any members here who have enjoyed Audioworks  products. If you cancel from MF you couid enjoy Audioworks too. Tel. 203 876-1133 Ask for Frank Ventresca.   Lloyd

Lloyd..... Doesn't Yamaha lock the price that retailers can sell their keyboards for so all retailers have to have the same price? I'm not sure how Audioworks would get around what Yamaha tells them they can sell it for.

[StuartR]

Lloyd..... Doesn't Yamaha lock the price that retailers can sell their keyboards for so all retailers have to have the same price? I'm not sure how Audioworks would get around what Yamaha tells them they can sell it for.

The short answer is no. Dealers don't have to sell at a certain price point. I believe there is a recommended price point but dealers can choose to sell the item at a much lower price, although few choose to do that. I think that the markup on Yamaha (and probably a lot of other music gear) is up to 100% so there's a lot of profit to be had even selling below the dealer recommended price. At least this was the case back in the 80s when my brother-in-law was a Yamaha dealer sales rep.

[Superjuan]

Tomorrow, Sweetwater is expecting to have the speakers for the Genos.
The warranty everything they sell for two years.

Sweetwater.com

[Lee Batchelor]

Meanwhile, we still wait in Canada for Genos to even show up.

[panos]

Someone will eventually discover Canada someday 
And look at how beautiful that keyboard is...

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[stephenm52]

If you ordered it from Audioworks in Milford Ct. you would have saved lot's of money and he would have your speakers quickly. Reliable dealer as attested by any members here who have enjoyed Audioworks  products. If you cancel from MF you couid enjoy Audioworks too. Tel. 203 876-1133 Ask for Frank Ventresca.   Lloyd

Lloyd is right on!!  I hate to sound like a broken record but fact is I've been buying from Audioworks since 2007, that's 11 years and I have never found a better dealer or better price anywhere. 

[StuartR]

Lloyd is right on!!  I hate to sound like a broken record but fact is I've been buying from Audioworks since 2007, that's 11 years and I have never found a better dealer or better price anywhere.

I've bought several Yamaha keyboards from Frank and can second that endorsement.

[MarkF_48]

The short answer is no. Dealers don't have to sell at a certain price point. I believe there is a recommended price point but dealers can choose to sell the item at a much lower price, although few choose to do that. I think that the markup on Yamaha (and probably a lot of other music gear) is up to 100% so there's a lot of profit to be had even selling below the dealer recommended price. At least this was the case back in the 80s when my brother-in-law was a Yamaha dealer sales rep.

Yes, I believe you're correct after some thought and a bit of research on the internet. It was the 'MAP' (minimum advertised price) pricing I was thinking of. They have to be consistent on the lowest advertised price, but they can offer an item at less than advertised if you call them or the retailer plays other games such as reducing the price by stating it's a 'demo' or similar. I've negotiated a price with Sweetwater a couple of times on some high ticket pieces of gear speaking to one of the sales people and sometimes they could do better, sometimes not. It depended on the the demand for the item and their margin of markup. For me the value in Sweetwater is the extra 2 years of warranty coverage they offer for free, as well as free tech support.
Frank's online advertised  price is the same as other retailers $5,499.99. Audioworks shows 'Arriving soon', Sweetwater shows 'In Stock'. Perhaps call Sweetwater and see if they'll work on a better price.

[StuartR]

Yes, I believe you're correct after some thought and a bit of research on the internet. It was the 'MAP' (minimum advertised price) pricing I was thinking of. They have to be consistent on the lowest advertised price, but they can offer an item at less than advertised if you call them or the retailer plays other games such as reducing the price by stating it's a 'demo' or similar. I've negotiated a price with Sweetwater a couple of times on some high ticket pieces of gear speaking to one of the sales people and sometimes they could do better, sometimes not. It depended on the the demand for the item and their margin of markup. For me the value in Sweetwater is the extra 2 years of warranty coverage they offer for free, as well as free tech support.
Frank's online advertised  price is the same as other retailers $5,499.99. Audioworks shows 'Arriving soon', Sweetwater shows 'In Stock'. Perhaps call Sweetwater and see if they'll work on a better price.

I tried negotiating with Sweetwater, they weren't interested in competing with AudioWorks. And I've done a lot of business with Sweetwater in the past. But not again.😁😲

[MarkF_48]

If Ed canceled his Musicians Friend order, it's probably just as well. The site Resellerratings did not have very good reviews...
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Musician_s_Friend

AudioworksCT unfortunately wasn't listed, but from comments throughout this forum it appears to be a reputable and trusted retailer.

As a comparison to Musicians Friend Sweetwater did very well.....
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sweetwater_Sound

If Ed does give Frank a call it would be interesting if he could come back here with the price he was quoted.

[StuartR]

If Ed canceled his Musicians Friend order, it's probably just as well. The site Resellerratings did not have very good reviews...
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Musician_s_Friend

AudioworksCT unfortunately wasn't listed, but from comments throughout this forum it appears to be a reputable and trusted retailer.

As a comparison to Musicians Friend Sweetwater did very well.....
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Sweetwater_Sound

If Ed does give Frank a call it would be interesting if he could come back here with the price he was quoted.

I'll just say this much, I bought a Montage and two Genos keyboards from Frank and never looked back.

[DonM]

I think it would not be right to post Frank's price, because it can vary a little because of exchange rate.  However, you won't find anyone to beat it.
Sweetwater met his price for me on PSR S970.  Frank didn't have any at the time.
Sweetwater had Genos in stock a few days ago.

[Al Ram]

If you are in the US and can cancel your order with MF go with Audioworks.  !!!!

Even if you have to wait a couple of additional months it is worth it. 

I have purchased from Audioworks several times.  Always a good experience and excellent price.

thanks