The Real Reason

[Stijn]

There will always be things that can be improved and there will always be updates. A short story:

I remember such a problem in 1983. I had spent hours building a Wersi Comet - they came in do-it-yourself kits (quite expensive!!). I had bought the kit just for the sake of putting it together, soldering all components onto circuit boards. A very delicate job!
And I couldn't even play...! When I had to tune the organ to 440 Hz, I had to phone the company because I had no idea where the A key was that I had to press and tune using a tuning fork.

After a couple of months the left, or right part of the upper, or lower keyboard, or sometimes the pedals, would not produce a sound. The upper and lower keyboard had each 2 very expensive Integrated Circuits, the pedals had 1 of those. It so happened that I produced too much static electricity and by way of the keys the IC's got damaged. Each time I had to buy an new IC chip, at the time € 40 ($ 50). That happened 5 times.

One year later I received a box from Wersi, containing almost 400 diodes and instructions on how and where to drill around 400 holes in the keyboard circuit boards and how to solder in those diodes and some other components.

That was how bugs got solved at the time. Much easier nowadays with a little computer file....


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[valimaties]

Probably we do not share content we buy because we respect that the person creating it makes his living from it and piracy is a nasty thing to happen to anyone.

Ya... with this kind of thinking, the world of Yamaha users will be a circle that wont grow At least in my country
If we make a poll with age of users that play on Yamaha keyboards (arrangers - Tyros series and Genos) I think the biggest value will be over 60's ... I think how it will be over 10 - 15 years when this generation will gone I think we will only have to come back to Yamaha then...

When I had Tyros 5 (a year ago) I wrote on a Tyros 5 section on this forum, about wishes we want on Yamaha... One of my wishes (having also PA2X and PA3X from Korg) was the touch screen... You, Eileen, you were one of few that was not agree with this idea, now, when Genos has it, it is awesome... ) So world can change )))

Regards,
Vali

[Gunnar Jonny]

Ya... with this kind of thinking, the world of Yamaha users will be a circle that wont grow At least in my country

Eileen would never ever say a bad word about any Yamaha arranger, anything Yamaha does with it, even if they removed the keys, Eileen would love it and found no wrong with it. Just because it's Yamaha, simple as that.   

Regarding copyright, it's well known that in certain countries too many people don't have any respect for such laws or rules at all.
Even if we sometimes do share a file or two in private, it' a huge difference when spread it an mass openly at fora or at free downloadsites.

Btw,
Now this topic went a bit south, and as I also have posted in it, I guess it will be deleted as so many other threads at this forum.

[EileenL]

What a load of rubbish you are throwing my way.
  I chose Yamaha keyboards because for me they are the best on the market for my needs and many other users.
I also thought that this was a Yamaha site where we tried to help members who were having difficulty.
  All I have seen lately is a good keyboard being attacked from all sides and impatience to wait for updates we know will come along in time. If this keyboard had all the bugs that have been spoken about we would have to take antibiotics to play it.

[tyrosman]

totaly agree Eileen

[Gunnar Jonny]

What a load of rubbish you are throwing my way......

Eileen, this was meant to be a humorous comment, not to offend you in any way.
If I have offended you, I apologize so much. Sorry. 

[Fred Smith]

Eileen, this was meant to be a humorous comment. 

Gunner,

You've now made it worse. If you're going to apologize, just apologize. Trying to recharacterize your comment as something it was not doesn't help your case.

Fred

[Gunnar Jonny]

Gunner,

You've now made it worse. If you're going to apologize, just apologize. Trying to recharacterize your comment as something it was not doesn't help your case.

Fred

If so, I have no problems to apologize once again. I'll write in Norwegian from now on, I know about my bad english.

[Joe H]

Btw,
Now this topic went a bit south, and as I also have posted in it, I guess it will be deleted as so many other threads at this forum.

I think so too.  Some people just need to go away and stop bringing this forum down in the gutter.  As Eileen says... its purpose is for us to help each other with issues so we can get the most out of our arrangers.



Joe H

[mikf]

I think the biggest value will be over 60's ... I think how it will be over 10 - 15 years when this generation will gone

Valimaties - cant count how often I have seen this or similar sentiment on this forum, and I don't think it makes sense. Over 60s do not disappear, they get replaced by the current over 50s, then the next lot who are currently over 40s. As these people progress to their 50s and 60s they usually develop the same interests and tastes as the previous lot. The people buying these instruments today are not the same ones who bought them 10 years ago, or who bought home organs ( the predecessor) 20 years ago. They get constantly replaced. This market is far from reducing - it is actually increasing because people are living longer, retiring younger and are more affluent.
Mike

[Gunnar Jonny]

Joe, that line was mainly meant as a remark for the topic deleted thread abot Genos plastic. Earlier today or yesterday. That thread did no harm and could easily been moved instead of deleted.

Delete the posts who are read as offending, mine i.e. and not the whole thread.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

SAUSAGES!!

[travlin-easy]

Gunner, please to not write in Norwegian - that is one of the many languages I was never able to master, though I was there for three times while I was a young US Navy sailor and able to find all the bars in Oslo by learning a tiny bit of Norwegian from a book the Navy issued us prior to arriving. I really enjoyed being there until winter arrived, then I wanted to be in the Bahamas. It is a beautiful part of the world. And, you have mastered the English language much better than some of the natives here in the USA.

All the best,

Gary

[Grayfox]

Valimaties - cant count how often I have seen this or similar sentiment on this forum, and I don't think it makes sense. Over 60s do not disappear, they get replaced by the current over 50s, then the next lot who are currently over 40s. As these people progress to their 50s and 60s they usually develop the same interests and tastes as the previous lot. The people buying these instruments today are not the same ones who bought them 10 years ago, or who bought home organs ( the predecessor) 20 years ago. They get constantly replaced. This market is far from reducing - it is actually increasing because people are living longer, retiring younger and are more affluent.
Mike

I think people largely stick with the music of their youth and that remains their favourite style for the rest of their life. I changed from piano to organ when I was 25 and then to Tyros when I was about 65 so the 60's are very much my best loved, but at 73 I still love to play light classical and loads of musicals from many generations.
The trouble is the teenagers of today only seem to like today's music, and would rather listen to someone else making it, so they don't come along to organ clubs, so have no need of a keyboard.
Graham

[mikf]

Graham - I have to disagree a bit, I play a lot of music that was popular long before I was a teenager, almost everything from the Great American Songbook for example, because its just great music. And I don't believe that what teenagers are doing is relevant - they are 40 years away form being customers for arrangers or whatever replaces them by then. On the other hand, I see many people in their 40s and 50s and their musical tastes are not so different from mine. They like good tunes they can remember.
The actual songs played being different doesn't matter too much, unless the way that it is made is very different. Basically the vast majority of music played by everyone over 30 is melody and chord based, and it doesn't matter whether it is from the 50s, 80s, or 90s, you make that music in approximately the same way. Now I agree that some of the new genres are based on different music making techniques - like EDM and RAP- but those are 30 years away from being the music that a future 60 year old grew up with and no arranger company is changing to meet requirement that are still 30 years away and even then not certain because I am not convinced that along the way the musical tastes of those current 20 year olds and teenagers will not modify to be similar to 60 year olds today. 
Mike

[travlin-easy]

I am going to have agree with Graham on this one. It has been my experience that the music my audiences like best, was music that was popular when they were between the ages of 15 and 35 years of age. Beyond 35 years of age, most folks are far too busy raising their families, buried in debt, working more than one job to make ends meet, etc... They really don't have time to listen to music, can't afford to go to concerts, nite clubs and high end restaurants that have featured entertainment.

Ironically, when I performed in the Florida Keys for the spring breakers, college kids ranging up to 25 years of age, the songs the ladies requested were Sinatra, Jimmy Buffett, Rod Stewart, and lots of country and 60s/70s Rock and Roll. They didn't to hear hip-hop, rap and EDM at all, which I didn't and wouldn't perform. Now, the ladies on spring break were whom I was playing for. They wanted to party, have fun and dance. The guys were there to get drunk and score - that's it! The guys could care less about dancing with the ladies, and I sincerely believe that most of them couldn't dance if you paid them to do so.

One of the reasons I was very successful in the musical entertainment business had nothing to do with my musical abilities. I'm not, by any stretch of the imagination, a musician - I'm an entertainer that can play an arranger keyboard. I was always able to look at the audience and determine what they wanted to hear from the very first song to the last. Essentially, this was referred to as "reading the audience." If you cannot do this, you will have a difficult time becoming a successful entertainer. Now Liberace was a fantastic musician, but additionally, he was a fantastic entertainer.

Think about it!

Gary 

[Lee Batchelor]

There's that dose of common sense again from Gary! Well written my friend. I agree 100 percent.

I'm in year number 25, playing in the same duet with a guitarist/singer. We are competent musicians but by no means stars. We do, however, connect very well with our audience. That makes up for any shortcomings in musical talent. We play the same genres as you described them in your post.

[mikf]

I think you may have missed my point, I am not talking about the songs that are played. I was challenging this stream of statements that arrangers will die out with the current generation of older players.
When I was about 40 and playing gigs I got to know a retired gentleman named Frank who had bought a home organ. That was not all that common then because they were an expensive decision. He had bought it when he retired from the police force because he always wanted to learn to play an instrument. He was in his sixties but to all intents and purposes what Frank was playing on the home organ then was not all that different to what I hear the members of this forum playing today. That was 30 years ago! So why are we so convinced  the current arranger playing generation will not be continually replaced? This idea that there is not a continuous ( growing) stream of replacements for the current arranger players makes no sense. It wold be like saying that nursing homes will all go out of business once the old people die off!
The TOTL arranger doesn't need radical re design to stay attractive to its market - it just has to evolve as it has done for over 30 years from home organs to what we have today.  And the change is slow because the primary arranger buyers of tomorrow are already 40 and 50 plus, not 20. They are mostly already listening to Michael Buble, and Andrea Bocelli, and remembering the music of ABBA and Pink Floyd, and that is all playable on the current arrangers just as easily as songs of the sixtes, or the Great American Songbook of the 30s, 40s and 50s.
 
Mike

[Lee Batchelor]

Good points, Mike. And as I see it, Genos caters to all audiences. I have absolutely no interest in EDM, Rap, nor other similar styles Genos offers. I'm happy if I can still play all my favorites I've played with Bob (my duet partner) for the past 25 years. Every PSR, Tyros, and now Genos has filled that need. I doubt that will change. Yamaha seems to always go with the flow - be it oldies or newies.

Now, if Yamaha could just bring in one more Genos to Canada for little old me, I'd be even happier. Perhaps our Canadian Winter NAMM attendees are still hung over and have forgotten how to place the order from Yamaha Corp !

[EileenL]

Hi Lee,
  I do hope you get your Genos soon as you will be in for hours of enjoyment. I to am not interested in EDM and head banging styles but as you say Yamaha tries to cater for everyone's taste and dose a very good job of this.

[mikf]

Playing for audiences where there is an age range and range of tastes, the arranger does pretty well to let you cover it.  For home players who are the vast majority of arranger buyers they usually don't need even that range of music.
Mike