Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests

[soryt]

yes i agree
i too was looking for this, but its gone
i dont know how that could be added to a firmware upgrade
or whether its too late,
because its something that would have had to have  been "Built-in"
like the Tyros 5

When you select "Tempo" in the Mainscreen you have the "Beat counter " in display .

Soryt

[Stijn]

@ Soryt

Could you please make a screencapture of the Beat counter in the display?
That would be great.

Thanks,
Stijn

[markstyles]

Another annoyance for me, is if I am trying to audition a style..  I have a USB stick with a lot files, in folders..  If I pick a style, and then decide to try another, I go back up out of that folder..  However once I have done that, I don't know what folder my new style was in.

It would be a nice touch, if that folder stayed highlighted, or had a small symbol next to it. So I could get back to.  So if I audition a style, I must either write down on paper the location, or copy it to my user folder, or I might not find it again.. My usual procedure, is to audition a LOT of styles, and copy them to a temporary user folder. Then eventually I clean up the user folder, once the song is finished.. I delete, the unused styles

Which  brings me to the next annoyance. Why did Yamaha programmers decide to change the terminology of 'move and copy'?.. In every computer, and kbd system I have ever used  in any system, is 'Copy' and then move to new folder, and hit 'paste'..  Genos has decided to use 'copy to'..instead of 'paste'.. So you copy something and use copy too to a new place. Granted it is not a big change..   

Not a big deal. but the earlier more logical  process, of copy and paste, has been used for decades now..  I'm not sure if it the new generation of code programmers,  but I'm beginning to HATE manufacturers making change strickly for 'change itself'..  It is not logical, and it is not an  improvement..

[valimaties]

When you select "Tempo" in the Mainscreen you have the "Beat counter " in display .

Soryt

You don't have Beat Counter, you have an animated icon... that is not "beat counter"= "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...,245,246, etc"

[Joe H]

This is how it looks on the PSR S970 Main Screen.  We have ALL the info we need.  One screen shot shows this info and the second is when we select the Channels On/Off Panel button.

There is a saying the trades... "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"

Not sure why Yamaha would not use this same format for the Genos.  I think it is near perfect.

Joe H

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[valimaties]

This is how it looks on the PSR S970 Main Screen.  We have ALL the info we need.  One screen shot shows this info and the second is when we select the Channels On/Off Panel button.

There is a saying the trades... "If it ain't broke; don't fix it"

Not sure why Yamaha would not use this same format for the Genos.  I think it is near perfect.

Joe H

I don't think there is a best answer ...
Best regards, Joe!

Vali

[Lee Batchelor]

Gee folks, it's sounding like a lot of people are regretting their Genos purchases. Are the fantastic new sounds not good enough to offset the miserable OS redesign features? It's sounding that way. Why the hell are we buying these keyboards in the first place? There's only one answer: to have fun making music!! That activity seems to be off the table now.

If the Genos OS has been re-designed so differently as to cause a major impediment to creativity, then count me out. I'll live with my T5 and its crappy pianos. For real pianos, I have a Nord. The rest of the T5 is stellar. At my age, I have enough on my plate dealing with a software world dominated by the total morons at Microsoft. I don't need more software issues!

When Canada finally gets a few more Genos keyboards, I'll audition one. If I can't sit down and just play the thing and find what I need at a glance, then Yamaha can keep it.

[pjd]

Hi Lee --

Well, rationally, this is a thread collecting requests and suggested changes/additions. So, it might seem like the sky is falling... 

I've been having an absolute blast with Genos and I haven't regretted the purchase for even a fraction of a second. Mainly, I've been playing this thing as a synth (no styles, tracks, etc.) and setting up registrations that I will use for church. The Genos' sounds are leading me to new, good sonic places -- new splits and layers that I didn't think of before. All quality.

For a brand new software/hardware platform, Genos is quite reliable and I haven't encountered any freezes, BSODs, error messages, whatever. The requests and suggestions posted here are the kinds of "divots" that one would expect with a brand new user interface just now exposed to the full brutality of end users.

I could be somewhat critical of a few of the threads recently (e.g., low S/N ratio), but won't. I am, however, awaiting the next full moon when I will join the coyotes in our neighborhood and we will all bay at the moon. Cathartic. 

All the best and still rootin' for ya -- pj

[valimaties]

Lee... is not "miserable", come on )) it is only feature-less... but it appears to be updatable, upgradable and so on ..

But sincerely, is our fault it is not updated as it has to be... like I said in my thread "we are a team or what are we?!..." we have to send a lot of mails to Yamaha... Yamaha have to see we are a lot of people using Genos and encounter all the same errors

Regards,
Vali

[pjd]

Not so, You are wrong,

Well, so much for my attempt to be peaceable. Good luck with your lawsuit (or whatever)!

-- pj

[pjd]

your really showing your ignorance, with your rose tinted glasses on.

I don't live in the UK, BTW, and I'm unfamiliar with your consumer laws.

I know that you mean well. However, the tone on the forum has been quite harsh. Please can we lighten up a bit? I respect your opinion and comments, but I didn't design or fabricate the Genos and I don't deserve misdirected hostility.

-- pj

[Lee Batchelor]

The one great thing about this incredible forum is, we get to vent a little. High-tech gear is inherently frustrating at the best of times, especially when it is shoved out the door only 75 percent ready. In the end, we usually find solutions that work. I'd wager that when Yamaha reads these forums, they are in awe at how we make the keyboards do things they hadn't thought of.

I was recently shot down in flames for comparing the Genos OS to the "never ready and buggy software crap" that Microsoft (MS) puts out. Yamaha has never let us down in the OS department, nor have they pushed something out the door so fast, just like MS. And yet, there is a huge uproar over things that are missing or don't work as expected. I will not apologize for making that most apt metaphor about Yamaha and MS. The difference will be if Yamaha sorts out all these issues in a timely fashion. I'm sure they will. If not, I will be keeping my T5 and wait for the next release.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Beat counter

You feel It!! and use your internal counter

Only necessary in song mode in sequencer

[Dromeus]

Nothing missing here, in fact the Genos Master EQ is superior. In T5 you had a 5-Band EQ, in Genos you have a 8 Band EQ. At the low and the high end you have a low cut resp. a high cut filter, which does not have a Q parameter by design. You could implement a slope parameter for this type of filter, which would be nice to have.

Note how the display has been improved in Genos. All values are layed out so you get the picture. It was a nuisance in the Tyros line. Well done Yamaha. Of course there is still room for improvement, the slope parameters and a graphical view of the frequency response would be neat.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

My 2nd request :

Please include the Groove "ALL" Select button like the tyros 5

The Groove option in the genos style creator
has no " ALL " Select button.

As a fact I have been trying to "customize" styles like i have done on all my styles on the Tyros, and I felt it was very much work on Genos and for instance  I was unable to change the volume of voices separately for Intros ABCD and Endings.
Does anyone know:  I that so dumb or was it me who was dumb ?

Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland

[valimaties]

My 2nd request :

Please include the Groove "ALL" Select button like the tyros 5

The Groove option in the genos style creator
has no " ALL " Select button.

As a fact I have been trying to "customize" styles like i have done on all my styles on the Tyros, and I felt it was very much work on Genos and for instance  I was unable to change the volume of voices separately for Intros ABCD and Endings.
Does anyone know:  I that so dumb or was it me who was dumb ?

Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland

Direct Access + Intro1 to Ending 3 will open mixer page.

Regards,
Vali

[valimaties]

Something is happening with "quote" ... even if you don't write in quote, if you quote somebody text the text you write is inside quote...  Moderators?! Admin?!

[EileenL]

When recording a song in Midi, transpose should be set to Keyboard for it to work on playback.

[Lee Batchelor]

Vali, are you using opening and closing quote tags?

<quote>Quoted material goes here</quote>

Note You would use square [ ] brackets though. I couldn't use them here, otherwise, you wouldn't see the proper format.

[valimaties]

Vali, are you using opening and closing quote tags?

<quote>Quoted material goes here</quote>

Note You would use square [ ] brackets though. I couldn't use them here, otherwise, you wouldn't see the proper format.

No Lee... I click in the right corner of a post on Quote hiperlink ... It automatically unclosed the text of owners in brackets.. I wrote outside the quote  (after [ / quote], without spaces, enclosure) but when i click on Post button, my text in post is inside quoted text.

Now I see it works...

And sorry for off-topic

Regards,
Vali

[AlBags]

Maybe we should wait, give them a chance to make (and test) a new firmware, then we can make a better informed judgement after that?

Al. 👍😊

[valimaties]

Maybe we should wait, give them a chance to make (and test) a new firmware, then we can make a better informed judgement after that?

Al. 👍😊

Yes, we should.. but in the final, they have to solve more than 80% from detailed bugs found This is definitely the way!

Regards,
Vali

[Lee Batchelor]

Glad it works now, Vali. Perhaps there was something wrong with the Quote command button, and they fixed it. Thanks for the update.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

My 2nd request :

Please include the Groove "ALL" Select button like the tyros 5

The Groove option in the genos style creator
has no " ALL " Select button.

so unlike the tyros 5  the "ALL" button would enable you change
ALL target channels , from Intro 1 , right thru to Ending 3, in one click

but in the genos ,you have to enable each one "separately"
so thats  "3" pages  of "17" target channels

Vanrey you are  addressing a real strange system in the Genos. Tried to tweak some styles, gave up !

Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland

[PierreSW]

Same for Boost/Cut "ALL" Select button missing.

[guitpic1]

Regarding the final compressor issue.  It appears to me that Genos incorporates a compressor/limiter.

For instance I set a certain max volume on my connected amp, run my volume slider to 127%, then adjust the compressor/limiter to peak volume...slick for live performances to insure I don't accidentally get a volume surge.

Essentially the dial works to set peak volumes....same as on my recording DAW.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

For you nothing represents problem. If you can make that thing from "x" movements it's ok for you. OMG, you are unbelievable!

Regards,
Vali!

I could not agree more, the fact that something is not a problem for all users does not mean, it could not be better e.g  that it is less than optimal for some people and they are perfectly right in pointing that out. One example, only  some 6 % of the population is color blind like I am, and YAMAHA took note and switched to blue buttons somewhere along the  long TYROS road.  As all  is about business, I found myself upgrading to the next model just because of the color of the buttons.

Kaarlo

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

.......You have to slow down sometimes And no I don't have all the time in the world but I make time at nearly 82 for my keyboard.

Dear Eileen,

How right you are.   I will  still be 82 like you for another  2 months.     and I wish I could learn the feeling,  "I still have time," but my feeling is:  time is running out... time is running out..... time is running out..... it is ringing in my ears like the tinnitus I have suffered from ever since I stood playing my sax (as an amateur) next to the drummer's cymbal for two decades 50 years ago.

warm regards

Kaarlo

[AlBags]

Funny, eh?

My father is same age as you guys, and hasnt the slightest interest in anything to do with keyboards or music, now .. just the TV! 😁
'Lot of buttons" was the comment when he saw the Tyros-5
"Big Screen" when he saw the Genos .. and "Why?"

👍😁 ATB.    Al.

[Lee Batchelor]

Eileen and Kaarlo,

Hope this cheers you up. My grandmother was born in 1900 and was a WWI bride who moved from France to Canada. Our longevity is calculated largely based on the available medical technology of our birth year, not current technology; although, it obviously helps too! She died in 1994 at the ripe old age of 94. You two have an extra decade of medical technology on her. You're far from gone! Like a lot of folks here, you may be studying for you final exams, but they are way off yet !

I know this off topic, however, therein lies the beauty of these forums. On occasion, we get to spill our feelings to a group of the best friends we have never met.