Genos Disappointend ...............

[Antonio]

Hi to all,

After a month of tests and counter-tests, I have come to the conclusion that the operating system of Genos is not yet reliable.

Too much confusion in correctly recognizing the various connected devices.

Too much confusion about the transfer of data from one device to another and in the correctness of the recognition of the contents.

Many questions about the USER, what is it for? for now almost nothing.

For the moment the best results are obtained with only one USB, and only with that one.
Copying to another USB does not recognize links created on the previous one.

The bailouts are not very safe and it is hard to figure out how to build a structure
reading and writing rescues.

In my opinion, if a robust firmware upgrade does not arrive, we will have to do very little.

[Joe H]

I think you had expectations on how you thought the Genos should work... rather than how it REALLY works. This is not unique.  I have been guilty of the same false expectations.

Sometimes we want or think the arranger should perform a certain way.  But the truth is that Yamaha engineers (who are smarter than you or I) designed it to work a certain way... which may not be to our liking or how we think it should work.

Regards,
Joe H

[EileenL]

Yes Joe I agree. The operating system is almost the same as the Tyros series but using a touch screen now instead of buttons. USB sticks will always recodnise the one put in the keyboard first is USB 1 the next will be USB 2 and the third will be USB3. Remove before switching off to avoid confusion.
The user drive is now used for storage just like your Hard Drive was. Plenty of space for this. Moving styles and registrations that were linked always broke links when moving from where originaly stored.
Nothing new in any of that and certainly not Bugs.

[manuel]

I agree with Joe and Eileen

I had my Genos from the first shipment that arrived in the USA, now nearly over 2 months....and I could not agree more that what Joe and Eileen said.
We need to remember that most of us, used one or several of the Tyros series for almost 15 years and old habits are hard to forget, all with the same user interface, etc.
Now with Genos a total brand new user interface, is taking time to get used to, but, I have found most of the features, voices, parameters, etc...that I use, so, I am very happy,
and the best thing is the AWESOME sound that this Keyboard has.

My 2 cents
Manuel

[DavidB]

Even as someone massively disappointed with Genos I have to say the USB drive assignment is not a mystery at all. It is interesting though that when many describe it they miss out an essential piece of info which is the USB1 (Drive I) alias to E which matches the Tyros HDD. Anything you had stored on your Tyros HDD that played correctly and that you put on USB1 of the Genos will also play 100% correctly.

I've agreed all along that this could be improved with fixed drive assignments but it really isn't rocket science and it isn't a bug.

Best wishes,

[pjd]

I think you had expectations on how you thought the Genos should work... rather than how it REALLY works.

Hi --

I agree, too. I'm moving to Genos from S950 and expect a different workflow, storage system, and so forth. I've decided to take it slow and learn the new user interface, etc. before starting the task of migrating 100's of customized styles and registrations. It's an opportunity to organize things in a new and better way.

I plan to make use of the internal memory eventually after I have a little more experience and can think through file organization, path names and the like. Plus, I'd rather have more time for playing right now than pushing/touching buttons, file organization, editing, etc.  As a starting point, I'm sticking with one USB drive.

Rome wasn't built in a day (and neither were all of those files on the S950!)

Wishing you the best and encouragement -- pj

[Bud2]

Has already been said, in the Tyros the first USB inserted was USB 1 the second one inserted was USB 2 so that is the same on the Genos except there is another USB slot on the Genos. So if you use the slot underneath the Genos that will be USB 1 the only time I can see there might be a problem is if you have a USB stick in the underneath slot and you make some registrations on one of the other slots that USB will be USB 2 now if you take that stick to play in another Genos which hasn't got a stick in the underneath slot then your stick will be USB 1 not USB 2 so if there are any links to  USB 2, the stick you made up  this would not find things because there would be no USB 2. This would be the same on the Tyros but not happen very often as most people only used one USB stick, so that would be USB 1 in your keyboard and also in the one you were using your stick in. Whereas with the Genos some might have a stick in the underneath slot and others may not.
Bill.

[Seagull29]

Hi
The problems encountered on Genos suggest that it was released "precipitously" for a reason we do not know. May be to counter a new model coming from the other brand specialist arrangers. May be a Pa5X or a successor with a new name. Future will tell us.

[hammer]

I too am a little confused about the issues concerning the USB numbering on the Genos.  I have yet to encounter a single problem with having multiple thumb drives attached to my Genos. 

Sometimes the "hidden" thumb drive shows up as USB 1 and sometimes it shows up as USB 2. Regardless of which number the "Hidden" drive is assigned EVERYTHING on the drive plays without a single issue.  On that thumb drive I copied all my previous Tyros setups for gigs going back to the PSR3000.

I also downloaded and installed the playlist from Yamaha and it too plays with no problems regardless of which number is assigned to the thumb drive.

Deane

[stephenm52]

Maybe my expectations were not high as what others had.  I have to say I'm enjoying the Genos very much I have had no problems at all. Based on Paul's (zionip's) suggestion I decided to remove the USB stick underneath the keyboard and I've had no confusion since I did that.  I'm also taking PJDs method taking it all slow and organizing things in a better way.

[travlin-easy]

Over the decades, it has been my experience that nearly everyone that purchases a new keyboard wants it to do and sound the way the old one did. I never did that, but maybe subconsciously I actually did.

For the most part, when I purchased a new keyboard, and believe me, I have probably purchased way too many, at least my wife believes that is the case, I rarely put that new keyboard into use for the first three to four months. It took me that long to master the newer operating system, and then go through each and every style file to determine which best fit the songs I performed. Yes, this took a long time, but it was well worth the effort. In doing so I usually discovered more about the keyboards than most folks and all of those discoveries provided me with a better understanding of what was taking place within the operating system and how to best utilize that information.

In every instance, my main goal was to be the best entertainer I could possibly be for my audiences. I must have done fairly well because I performed the same locations for decades and managed to make enough money to support my family, buy new cars, maintain a home, and even purchase a sailing yacht.

I guess my point is, that if you take it slow and easy, and spend the time it takes to actually learn all the intricacies of your new keyboard, you will probably enjoy it far more then the person who did not take the time.

Happy New Year,

Gary

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Do not worry about usb numbering as computers swap the letters about as well .
All depends what you plug in first.
Just try the next drive letter and It Is always ok.
Not a problem at all

[valimaties]

I was in the same state as you (disappointed) for couple of days... but I start to think there is, certainly, a different way to approach the problems... with Registrations, for example...
My problem was that I used in a way the registrations in Tyros 5 (one registration in bank for a song I play, so 8 songs for a bank) and at least for now, for a quick switch, I have to make a Bank for a song, because I really don't like the Registration Info page at all how it works, and for only the reason it is independently, (you cannot use Registration Bank + and - when you are already with Registration Info page opened ).
So, there are 2 ways in how my problem can be "curred"  One is a single bank for a song, and the other is Playlist feature, which can cover in a simply way my problem, but sincerely, I prefer registration method with one song for registration bank, because now I can make them more comprehensive, much more settings on 2-10 registrations for that song (more voices on right pane, for example)

So I think we can change ourselves, even if I think is not correct to change the behavior of some features from a model to other... Maybe is better like this 

Regards,
Vali

[AlBags]

Tha USB thing IS an addressable issue.
If you have USB1 installed (internal) and use one in the front, and leave it there, Genos software will randomly swap them around on use or boot up, so stored songlists, etc are not found until you memove the second stick, reboot and add it again.
It is QUITE POSSIBLE to LOCK the assignment letters to removeable devices, and this is what they should do!
Thatshould be addresses in FW update. Having to plug/unplug flash drives to maintain file system is not acceptable.

[Antonio]

 think the keyboard has more than excellent potential.

But from the user point of view my disappointment is enormous, you can not put in circulation a keyboard with lots of bugs and above all a confusing and incomplete operating software.

I think that if you want to show off your keyboard like a trophy, we'll also make you applause, but just make no sense compliments.

THE KEYBOARD IS NOT A MATURE PRODUCT FOR INTENSIVE WORK COMMITMENT.

Engineers pay more attention to users' needs, instead of feeling arrived and self-referenced.

We are all waiting for a frmware upgrade

[Antonio]

I agree with Joe and Eileen

I had my Genos from the first shipment that arrived in the USA, now nearly over 2 months....and I could not agree more that what Joe and Eileen said.
We need to remember that most of us, used one or several of the Tyros series for almost 15 years and old habits are hard to forget, all with the same user interface, etc.
Now with Genos a total brand new user interface, is taking time to get used to, but, I have found most of the features, voices, parameters, etc...that I use, so, I am very happy,
and the best thing is the AWESOME sound that this Keyboard has.

My 2 cents
Manuel

No Eileen, I'm sorry, it's not like that, if you use a keyboard in a distracted way as often happens to us old people, it can also be. However, engineers must work to facilitate users and not vice versa. It is not the case of being to be tender with these engineers, or rather let us happily beat them.

[EileenL]

We all know there will be more updates coming along as some problems are addressed but that should not stop us enjoying and getting used to the great keyboard we have. I am managing perfectly well setting up my keyboard as I want it and making my registrations to suit the type of gigs I do with everything I want to happen also saved.
Don't believe for one minute that Yamaha are not aware of some problems and are working on them.
Some people say Oh! it is easy to add this and do that but it is not always the case so we must show a little patience.

[Lee Batchelor]

I agree with all these comments, however, when you're gigging with the keyboard on a regular basis you need to be "up and running" in a short amount of time after the switch over. I don't have the luxury of sitting in my living room and "taking my time" to learn a new interface. My clients don't care that I decided to switch keyboards. They hired me for a certain date and that's it.

Now, I believe most folks here said that the importing of T5 Registrations goes very smoothly? The deeper OS functions are a little different? Can I assume I could be up and running within about a day or so after my Genos arrives? Thanks.

[soryt]

Quote  Lee : Can I assume I could be up and running within about a day or so after my Genos arrives?

I dont think that it can be done so fast  , it takes me a month to get it ready for my use ( in band) , and at least a week to get the Genos feel .
maybe you have more luck ?

Good luck ,

Soryt 

[EileenL]

Yes if you are going to use your Tyros 5 registrations you could gig almost right away, providing you have saved the contents of your hard drive and then load them onto the USB stick you are going to use as USB1. All your links to styles will be in tacked.
  All you will have to do is get used to how to bring up things from the screen and away you go.

[KetPa4]

Hello all
I am a new comer to this Forum Im Pat and live in Ireland and last night I became the proud owner of a new Genos my first ever Yamaha so I had a Korg PA$ X pro and still am using a Ketron Audya 5 Now I have to say a lot of positives from the Genos however I too had a very frustrating night basically through my own lack of Knowledge but I think Yamaha need to do something about their OS

The drum editor doesn't seem to do what it is designed to do I just wanted to bring down the volume level on the cymbals on a few styles that I thought were a bit overpowering and maybe drop the pitch on a snare but when I tried this it didn't seem to activate I was activating my drum editor from the style creator drum set up dialog box has anybody else had this issue.Is there another way of doing this Any help would be greatly appreciated I also managed to do this once on another style and it did work but as I exited out of the editor window the snare for that particular style did what I can only describe a continuous drum roll at a very high speed and continued to do so even after exiting to the home page The only way I resolved the issue was to re load the style This is not very satisfactory after spending that kind of money and to add to the misery I still did not get the result I wanted so Is there a way of editing the drum kit and how easy is it
best regards
Pat

[valimaties]

Yes if you are going to use your Tyros 5 registrations you could gig almost right away, providing you have saved the contents of your hard drive and then load them onto the USB stick you are going to use as USB1. All your links to styles will be in tacked.
  All you will have to do is get used to how to bring up things from the screen and away you go.

No, you can't do this in one day, and I don't think you can do this in a week... It has a lot of time to rearrange your registrations, some of styles changes his DSPs, or DrumKit, and don't sound better, not always .. For example I have more styles from my Tyros 5 which used a Bright Guitar with some Chorus DSP. When I moved content from Tyros 5 to Genos, that DSP transforms in an Distortion DSP    the drum kit take an open drums instead of close drums.. Definitely does not sound better.. I had to rearrange my style... In Tyros sounds awsome, but here not from the start... I have to check each of my registration and style, I cannot go to my clients events and start singing with Genos modifications...

If you use a song for a registration, definitely you cannot start playing in a gig after a day... And definitely you have to switch your vision about registration banks and transform your registrations to a single-registration bank for a song... In this moment this is the best approach ... Or use playlist feature, make playlists and activate Registration you want to autoload when you load the playlist record

There still are things that have to be "as workaround" in Genos... If you are prepared for this, buy it.. if not, I definitely recommend to wait for feature-add and bugs repair firmware , and after that you can check if you want to buy Genos or not.

Regards,
Vali

[vanray]

i don't have the luxury of sitting in my living room and "taking my time" to learn a new interface.

Can I assume I could be up and running within about a day or so after my Genos arrives? Thanks.

Your in for a few surprises,especially on a 1st gig.

[Oldden]

Hi,
My Genos came yesterday, yes, it's different to my old keyboards and yes, there are some things not right yet but I love it, the sound is top notch and there are a lot of things which are right and will keep me happy until the update comes out. If there are problems, and there are some, tell Yamaha , if they don't know they can't fix them and just enjoy playing your Genos. It only came out in October so just think, Windows 10 came out ages past but they still update it almost every month.
Patience is a virtue, oh yes, and also a card game.

Oldden.

[Lloyd E]

I must agree that the Genos is a new and different keyboard and some patience plus manual reading are
a must to understand it's workings. I have had my Genos since Oct. 23rd. I owned a Tyros 5 previously
but the Genos operates with a touchscreen and a whole new operating system so you have to sort of start
over again. 
I have enjoyed the learning process even though there were times when I got lost in the process.  All in
all I now love the Genos  Lloyd

[Grayfox]

Genos is selling very well. I have just received my YAMAHA CLUB MAG and 10% of its members already own a Genos, this never happened with any new Tyros model. But it is a superb instrument in my opinion, I received mine early November and the hours just fly by when I sit in front of it.
For me, it's everything I want.
Regards
Graham

[vanray]

Patience is a virtue
Oldden.

Yes i agree, that is true
However patience , cannot override logic, and some of the O.S. Procedures are illogical.
so no matter how much time you  spend ADJUSTING to the illogical procedures,
when you wake up in the morning, you will have forgotten, the illogical procedures,
because they dont make sense.

1 example , is the non functioning blue audio avatar, when you've finished recording a song.
Because its logical ,and makes sense to press that, instead of pressing 5 buttons to exit out
so you can access the page to rename it

Had i been a beta testa for Yamaha, i would of said :
LOOK !,This  procedure is not logical , and
that procedure is not logical, and  users will not understand this.

but i can only presume the beta testers were gagged, as nobody spoke up,
till it was too late.

[voodoo]

That's why a firmware update is upcoming. We hope that some workflow flaws will get fixed.

[valimaties]

Oldden, it should not coming up... is unfinished, sorry to tell that. Is a good keyboard with very good voices, new features not having them in Tyros 5, some of them not working good, I don't start count them because was spoken a lot of times in this forum... but in the same time there are a lot of things that, if there was good beta testers, if they exists, those bugs Genos wouldn't has it...
Ok, lets take a little bit of parience and think when was released, when was first time solded and how much time passed till then... it is almost 100 days... minus 20 days hollydays for Christmas, New Year and other free days... there are at least 70 days of testing and reprogramming for bugs cure... I don't think Yamaha has only one or two programmers... behind this Black Beauty there are a big team of programmers... At least that is what I want to believe, because in other conditions, it is a verry big mistake...

Regards
Vali

[Oldden]

Hi vali,
I like your reply, but I remember way back when I used to write the software code for various applications and that the person who wrote the software " me ", was usually not the person who wanted the application to do certain things, and more often or not changed their mind several times entailing a re-Write of parts of it. Much grumbling and swearing often ensued, might be better at Yamaha, but maybe not.

Oldden