how to have a tyros genos sound

[bmarcill]

   hello

   with this setting  of Christian.

    in mixing control page EQ in EDIT


           QUOTIENT      FREQUENCE      DECIBEL
  EQ1   0.8                      1.1 KHZ          6 DB
  EQ2   0.8                      1.1 KHZ          4 DB
  EQ3   0.1                      1.8KHZ           8BD
  EQ4   0.1                       2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
  EQ5   0.1                       2.2KHZ           11DB OR 10 DB

   save

   GO IN    page CMP       
   thresholh offset  +0
   Ratio offset         +1
   Gain offset          +1

   save     

   Super tyros 5

   just my opinion


   ben   

[Seagull29]

Hi,
I don't understand why EQ1 and EQ2 have the same frequency and the same quotient, are you sure of that ?

Regards
Seagull29

[bmarcill]

hi  Seagull29

  exactly

  eq2  0.1  1.6 khz  4db

  ben

[Seagull29]

Hi,
and for EQ4 & 5, is it the same frequency ?

Seagull29

[Telmo]

It Sounded Great. Super Tyros-5 Rules.

[Seagull29]

Hi,
I tried your settings but the sound on my monitors ( MS 802 Electrovoice) is a little bit agressive. So, I give you my owns settings

EQ1  160Hz,      Q = 1.0   + 6 Db

EQ2   1.2 Khz    Q = 0.1    + 5 Db

EQ3   1.8 Khz    Q = 0.3    + 3 Db

EQ4    3.6 Khz   Q = 0.2    + 2 Db

EQ5    5.6 Khz   Q = 7.1    + 8 Db

Can you try these settings and say us how the general sound is ?

Thanks

Regards

PS/ I tried this setting with modified Genos' Style, Cha-Cha 1.

Here are the 2 tests:


https://soundcloud.com/seagull-8/s-audio-004wav

https://soundcloud.com/seagull-8/s-audio-006-1wav

[bmarcill]

   hello


    the settings eq are  for  the tyros5 with

     Yamaha TRS-MS05 Enceinte TYROS5  only

     Front caisson   8

    back caisson     8


     your setting are very good

    the Genos is acute  for the dance  and  Dj

     ben

     the partage is  constructive.

[bmarcill]

    hi


   test wave  are very good  for me   i like 

   cool  super demo


   ben

[motekmusic]

 

Thanks so much Ben and Seagull,

I have noted and inset both of your eq setups.. One labeled Genos and the other best.
Can't believe the difference in sound from my former set ups.. it is WOW ..

Much appreciated

cheers
elaine

[Rick D.]

Ben,
Thank you for the Super Tyros EQ settings and Comp. settings. You really did manage to imitate the crispness and punch that the Genos has on the Tyros 5.
I use two Bose Compact 1 speakers and they sound fantastic.
One word of caution for anyone that is going to try these settings.
Turn your volume to about half of what you had as a starting point.

Rick D.

[Eddy]

Hey Ben,
I play at home with headphone.
When I use your combination, I have almost no bas-voice !
For me it's better to put Eq1 in 80 Hz and 8 Db

Ed

[Lee Batchelor]

EQ settings depend on so many factors - room you're playing in, type of surfaces, speaker cross-over frequency, and speaker frequency range, to name a few. I also use two Compacts, so it's good to hear the T5 sounds better through them  !

I'll give the settings a listen. Thanks!

[Lee Batchelor]

EQ4   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
EQ5   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB

Bmarcill, we still don't have an explanation of these duplicate values. Is there another error or can we ignore EQ5? Thanks for the settings !
Also everyone note, a 10 dB increase represents twice perceived volume!

[poinsot]

Bonjour à toutes et tous ...je me joins à votre conversation intéressante..
J'ai le T5/76 avec une HK nano 300.. J'ai les réglages de Christian ...
Je viens de rentrer les réglages de Seagull 29  ....C'est parfait pour moi ..
Essai avec US Rock réglages à moitié partout ..Excellent
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Hello everyone ... I join your interesting conversation ..
I have the T5 / 76 with a HK nano 300 .. I have the settings of Christian ...
I just returned Seagull settings 29 .... It's perfect for me ..
Trial with US Rock settings half everywhere ..Excellent

Bonne journée ...Jean Pierre

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[jbd59]

Bonjour à toutes et tous ...je me joins à votre conversation intéressante..
J'ai le T5/76 avec une HK nano 300.. J'ai les réglages de Christian ...
Je viens de rentrer les réglages de Seagull 29  ....C'est parfait pour moi ..
Essai avec US Rock réglages à moitié partout ..Excellent
...................................................................................................
Hello everyone ... I join your interesting conversation ..
I have the T5 / 76 with a HK nano 300 .. I have the settings of Christian ...
I just returned Seagull settings 29 .... It's perfect for me ..
Trial with US Rock settings half everywhere ..Excellent

Bonne journée ...Jean Pierre

Salut Poinsot , que veux tu dire par rapport a "reglages a moitié partout"?
hello Poinsot  what do you mean by " settings  at half  everywhere "?
Merci, Thanks
Bernard

[maartenb]

EQ4   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB
EQ5   0.1              2.2KHZ         11DB OR 10 DB

I don't have my T5 anymore, but looking at these numbers... this looks like extreme coloration of the sound.

You can have two EQs at the same frequency. The dBs add up then. So these two EQs give a whopping 20-22dB increase of a wide band around 2.2kHz. That is... a LOT.

Based on the numbers alone (and not my ears), I would expect a big volume increase in the middle frequencies, with reduced low frequencies (bass) and reduced high frequencies ("air"). Like a cheap transistor radio with a small speaker.

If this works for you, go for it. But I don't understand how this could sound good.


Maarten

[bmarcill]

  hello

  other settings

EQ1   0.1   900HZ  3 DB
EQ2   0.1  250HZ    8 BD
EQ3   0.1   400HZ  6BD
EQ4   0.1    4.0KHZ 6 DB
EQ5   0.1    5.6khz  8 bd

cmp    +0       +0    +0          ON

on my Tyros

8 on box front of 

behind   5  middle

good muzic

ben

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed Maarten - not to mention the effect it would have on vocals being sung through the T5.

A 20 db increase is 4 times perceived volume and 10 times the sound pressure effect. If one wasn't careful, the limiters would be constantly triggered in the Bose Compacts, likely leading to a failure. To be fair, it would take some time, but I've seen soloists treat their single Compact like a Bose L2, which has 24 large tweeters and is very loud.

All the same Ben, your idea is intriguing and perhaps feasible with some lesser db settings. If you created an enhanced frequency response curve, that's a good thing. I intend to give the settings a try. Haven't had time lately due to gigs, which is also a good thing. Thanks for sharing !

[Lee Batchelor]

Bernard, he may mean that you should reduce the db numbers by 50 percent of his posted levels. Can you confirm this, Ben?

[bmarcill]

     hi

  settings for  TRS-MS05 Système  Tyros 5

   in front  of                 8
    behind                      5


    ben

 


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[poinsot]

jbd59...Bonjour je voulais dire , le volume du T5  sur moitié.....la Nano pareille et ne pas dépasser le TOTAL GAIN ADJ 6.5.3.2.8.
Les basses de la Nano 300 sur volume 1/4 maxi..
Bonne journée
Jean Pierre 
jbd59 ... Hello I wanted to say, the volume of the T5 on half ..... the same Nano and not to exceed the TOTAL GAIN ADJ 6.5.3.2.8.
The bass of the Nano 300 on volume 1/4 maxi ..
Have a good day
Jean Pierre

[Henni]

Hi all,

Anyone knows how to apply this to the latest PSR series? It has more EQs.

Henni

[jbd59]

OK merci Jean pierre , je pensais que c'était sur le T5 les réglages de moitiés , maintenant c'est plus clair  !

OK thank's Jean pierre  , i thought that was on the T5 the half settings , now i understand better !

Bernard

[jbd59]

Bernard, he may mean that you should reduce the db numbers by 50 percent of his posted levels. Can you confirm this, Ben?

Thank's Ben for your answer ! Jean Pierre gave the answer  too , thank's to both of you
Bernard

[Lee Batchelor]

Ben, I tired your settings, and I agree with Maarten. The bass disappears and the midrange is are very loud. For those using two Bose Compacts, I suggest the following changes to the dB values:

EQ 1   1 dB (Optionally, use Ed's setting of 80 Hz at 3 dB. Caution! This may not be a good setting for those using a sub. Check the low pass setting for the sub.)
EQ 2   1 dB
EQ 3   2 dB
EQ 4   3 dB
EQ 5   0 dB

I find at these modified levels, Ben's idea is a great improvement! It makes the "incredibly long Canadian wait for a Genos" a little easier. Thanks Ben!

[Lee Batchelor]

I had a practice today with the new settings from Ben but with my modified values, as per my reply. I also used the sub that I designed and built. What a difference!! My vocalist couldn't believe his ears. All those who use the Bose Compact(s) - I urge you to try my settings, which are based on Ben's initial skills .

Thanks Ben!

[yammy]

So,you can share us the final settings you use?
Thank you.

[Lee Batchelor]

Sure Yammy, here you go.

I urge all Bose Compact users to experiment with these settings. If you come up with anything better, please share your settings. I have no ego to bruise . My settings provide a slight increase in the midrange levels. For me it makes a huge difference. The T5 seems to have more dynamic body now. She's not a Genos, but close  .





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[yammy]

Ok. Thank you. But where is EQ5 settings?

[Lee Batchelor]

I left EQ 5 out, Yammy - not needed.

All the EQ settings (1 through 5) are just "bands." You can use any or all of them depending on your needs. I've designed speakers where the room response caused a slight hole in a certain frequency. Let's say the hole resided around 4,000 Hz. I could have used EQ 1 or any other EQ band, as I please. I just makes sense to use the EQ bands in order of low to high frequencies. There are 5 available bands in the T5 EQ area. I only needed 4 to solve my problem. Some hardware EQ units have 64 bands. Half of those may not even be used, that is, left set at 0 dB.

Hope that helps .