Ending at end of current bar

[Rikki]

I have a psr sx600. I don't much like most of the built in endings and would like to be able to end the accompaniament simply at the end of the current bar or the next bar. Using the Synch Stop button stops the acompaniament as soon as you lift your fingers of the chord which is rather abrupt.

My thanks for any suggestions you may have.

[BogdanH]

hello Rikki,
I think the simplest way to stop accompaniment at the end of the bar (at any time actually), is by pressing START/STOP button at the right time. You can see an example at the end of this video that I've made.

But many times it can be hard to catch the right moment (while we're busy playing) and that's why ENDING button exist. And many times it's enough if you find (or create) a simple one bar ending (as can be seen at the end of this video).

SYNC STOP button isn't really meant for ending. Of course it can be used for ending as well, but then we again need to pay attention on the right timing. SYNC STOP button is meant to be used while we play the song, to interrupt the accompaniment (see this video). As you can see in that video, SYNC STOP button is activated all the time and accompaniment is interrupted with left hand playing.

Bogdan

[DrakeM]

Hello Rikki

Make a custom style of all your styles and save them to your USB stick.

You need to FIND the ONE measure ending you like the best and Copy and Paste that ending to all your styles. Your problem is solved.

To make your arranger do what you want it to do ... you have to master using your keyboard's STYLE CREATOR. There is no short cut to learning, you just have to spend a bit of time to learn how to Copy and Paste style parts around and between styles.

Regards
Drake

[KurtAgain]

Hi Rikki,

You're not the only one who doesn't like these overly long endings. Even Ending1 is often too long. IMO these long endings often sound cheesy. But Yamaha sticks to them, even though it has often been criticized. Just like the excessive vibrato of some Sweet and S.Art. voices. Perhaps cultural differences play a role.

But Drake is right, with the endings you could at least record or copy a shorter ending yourself.

Kurt

[bpsafran]

Why not just push the stop button (to the right of dync start)
when you want to stop?

[J. Larry]

As dumb as it may sound, and just to be different (or a break from auto endings), I sometimes do a repeated vamp at the end of a tune and slowly reduce the volume, with a fade out, and start talking with the audience, as the audio ends.

[KurtAgain]

Another option would be to start the ending as early as possible - maybe two bars before the end of the song - and play the last notes over the ending. If the ending itself has a melody line, you can try muting the disturbing tracks.

Kurt

[Michael Trigoboff]

Why not just push the stop button (to the right of dync start) when you want to stop?

Genos2 has a "fade out" feature. Perhaps the other arrangers do as well.

[mikf]

Pretty much every song needs some kind of ending, abrupt stops seldom sound right, but I just let the style run and play it myself, hitting the style stop button or more likely a pedal set for style stop start, at the appropriate moment. Or combine that with ending one, which in many cases is not much more than a drum cadence.
Mike

[Rikki]

Many thanks for all the great responses. I think I probably have to follow DrakeM's advice of mastering the Style Creator.

To bpsafran pushing the stop button stops the accompaniment abruptly rather than at a the end of a bar so you have to be very accurate to get that to happen at just the right time.

There is also the fade out button which I do use but fade out isn't always the right answer.

Thanks again for all the advice.

[andyg]

Ending 1 is usually your best friend, as it's the only one that doesn't sound any harmonies that are different to the chord that you're holding. But I've found it can be temperamental, giving a 1 or 2 bar ending dependent on where you press it in a bar. Occasionally you'll want to trigger it a bar earlier than you expect, as you know it's going to do a 2 bar ending! And of course you can play different chords while Ending 1 is running, so that's not a problem.

I have a Grade 6 exam student who's had to move Ending 1 or "Simple 1 Bar Ending" from its prescribe place in the sheet music as what's indicated just doesn't work.

And sometimes that last chord in the ending just goes on and on, the solution being to fade it out with the volume pedal.

A bit of trial and error as always!

[Amwilburn]

Most of the time, Ending 1 will do what you're requesting

Mark

[Rikki]

Just an update here.

I agree that Ending 1 is usually fairly innocuous but the preset Ending 1 for the style I've been using today finishes on a drum beat which doesn't fit with the song I'm playing.

So I've been trying various things today and the quick and dirty solution I have found is to use a very quick fade out (I set mine to 2 seconds) which I hit on the last note of the song but if I'm slightly off it still sounds reasonably natural. It also means I can add my own right hand outro without relying on the inbuilt stuff.

But I have to say that with all the sophistication built into the keyboard I am surprised that there is no easy way to enable a clean finish to a song without it being abrupt or relying on the precise time you hit the appropriate button.

[Innar]

Hi Rikki.
I use Style Creator's Step Edit on tracks 9 and 10 to delete or change unnecessary notes.
If there is a need to edit other tracks, I do it through MixMaster and Cakewalk on the computer. Mix Master keeps Casm, and in Cakewalk all tracks can be cleaned one by one from unnecessary ones. Mids as well.
Good luck.
Innar.

[overover]

I have a psr sx600. I don't much like most of the built in endings and would like to be able to end the accompaniament simply at the end of the current bar or the next bar. Using the Synch Stop button stops the acompaniament as soon as you lift your fingers of the chord which is rather abrupt.

My thanks for any suggestions you may have.

Hi Rikki,

The "Synchro Stop Timing" feature (known as "Synchro Stop Window" on other models) may help you in this case. See also the attached screenshot and/or pages 32/33 in the SX600 Reference Manual.

On the SX600, go to "[MENU] > Menu1 > Style Setting > Setting2 > Synchro Stop Timing". There, instead of "Off" (= default setting), you set a relatively short note value, e.g. a sixteenth note. This means that when the Sync Stop button is activated, the running style will only stop if you play a chord shorter than the set note value. If, however, you play a chord for longer, the style will not stop. This means that you can play normally despite "Sync Stop" being activated, but to stop the style you just play the chord in question once very briefly (again).

By the way, this setting is always memorized in Registrations when the Style box is ticked. When you close the Style Setting display, the setting is also automatically saved in the System Setup, i.e. it is then available again after a restart. However, this setting will be changed again (e.g. reset to the default setting "Off") if a Registration is loaded in which a different "Synchro Stop Timing" setting is memorized.


Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

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[KurtAgain]

I think I probably have to follow DrakeM's advice of mastering the Style Creator.

A simple solution: Set the Pattern Length of Ending1 to "1" in the Style Creator. The result may not always be convincing, but often it is.

Kurt

[overover]

I think in many cases (if not most) you won't want to stop the style at the end of a bar, but rather on beat 1 of the following bar. In my opinion, the method I described (appropriately set Synchro Stop Timing/Window parameter) is quite suitable for this.


Best regards,
Chris

[maarkr]

whoa... nice ideas... ending 1 may work but in a different chord, and it won't let you edit it unless the original ending style is deleted in some cases. Synchro stop timing is an idea, but I need to see how it works with reg's and chord looper enabled.  Fade out is also doable but I need to change my standard 6 sec fade out to a short one (and saving the reg should save that setting?)  Just stopping the style at the end of the bar and playing a long right voice chord seems to work on some stuff.