This is the Real Deal Trade your Genos for You Know What!!!

[Danny1972]

From what I've tested, Korg is a very small child compared to Yamaha! Plus the Korg does not master the technique of mixing several tracks simultaneously in an arranger! Besides the Genos which has a 32-bit sound card and a polyphony of 256, the korg is a toy in a metal box. So don't hurry because Genos 2 is on the way!

From what you tested? What did you test, the Korg EK-50!?? As I don't recognise any other "Korgs" you describe.

[adrianed]

Wagtunes,

Look how much you would have saved if you had waited till now to buy the best
Adrian

[iulistil2]

Want to advertise Korg on this site? Then I tell you that Pa5x will be just an empty metal box next to the new Genos2! Let's be realistic, even the PSR SX600 sounds clearer and more beautiful than any Korg model!

[Amwilburn]

iulistil2, this is a Yamaha fan site, so of course we all love our Yammies (I own 2 Yamaha digital pianos and 4 Yamaha keyboards, but only 1 Roland keyboard, came close to purchasing a Korg 3 times)

But even the G1 can't beat the PA5x's pianos (or drums, although both have great drums so that's more of a draw). And the organs on PA5x are also better than G1.

Saying the PSRsx600 sounds better than any Korg simply isn't true; the sx600 is great for what it is, but the drums and strings are lacking. The PA5x costs 4 x the sx600, so of course most sounds are better! Let's be honest, Korg has had better drums than Yamaha a lot of the time, going back to Pa80 /Pa1x vs Tyros 1; it wasn't until T3 that Yamaha essentially pulled even, and with Genos pulled ahead (and with PA5x Korg has pulled even again).

So why haven't I purchased a Korg yet? I *need* registrations. And easy to program styles*. Not everyone does.
*yes people keep saying that it's easier to program styles on other brands, but *my* experience has been despite the initial learning curve programming Yamaha styles, they *are* still the easiest for *me* to program.

Ironically, Korg styles are easier to *use* (don't know what I mean? Try changing chords mid-beat on a Yamaha... you'll often hear a note suddenly bend to another note, for channels that aren't set to retrigger (which would interrupt a guitar chord strum, for example, so they simply shift the note mid playback)
Korg? Automatically quantizes chord changes so that you won't change note mid strum.

But the ease of *programming* styles on Yamaha is why I own 6 Yamahas. And also why there are literally 10's of thousands of Yamaha homebrew styles available to download; *very* few Korg,  and *none* Roland... I asked Roland 2 decades ago why they don't include a style creator in their arrangers, and they said most customers don't use or need it. That is technically true, but also why we stopped carrying Roland high end arrangers for the past... well, almost 2 decades.

Mark

[musicman01]

From what I've tested, Korg is a very small child compared to Yamaha! Plus the Korg does not master the technique of mixing several tracks simultaneously in an arranger! Besides the Genos which has a 32-bit sound card and a polyphony of 256, the korg is a toy in a metal box. So don't hurry because Genos 2 is on the way!

Dear iulistil2,
As already mentioned, this is a Yamaha forum, which does not mean that competition cannot be discussed, on the contrary.
What you are saying here is downright childish talk!
Everything has pros and cons, I am a Genos fan and 3 weeks ago I sold my 6 year old Genos to possibly be replaced by the Genos 2.
I also have a Pa5x 76 at the same time, which I am now making more time for.
When I hear your explanation, you don't even have Pa5x because then you certainly don't tell such nonsense!!!
I can only say one thing, Genos is more for home players and Pa5x is for people who perform live and want to get more out of the keyboard. A professional arranger!
And be honest, the exterior (PVC) of Genos is not suitable for that.

[john smies]

 I have played Korg and Yamaha arrangers for 20 years, I have played Ketron arrangers for the last 6 years and i have owned the Event for over six months ....GEnos 2  ?  It will  have to be spectacularly better than the Genos one for me to part with my Event....here is why:

Personally I always apply FOUR criteria:
1. are you a singer or do you only play instrumental stuff?
2. are you a gigging artist, or do you only play at home ?
3. Do you prefer a polished (CD) sound, or an approximation of a real band?
4. Do you like to cover songs with accompaniments very close to the real
thing, that is use SongStyles, or do you prefer to shy away from those
and make your own Arrangements.....initially what Arranger Keyboards
where made for with generic styles and few or no songstyles ?

Depending on the answers to those four questions it is not too hard to decide which way to go. I could fill that in for you here, but I am sure you can all manage quite well each onto his own !!!

greetings,
John Smies

[ton37]

Add 5: do you want to have any Yamaha keyboard or do you don't know yet which model of a Yamaha keyboard you prefer...
because in your criteria the choices have actually already been made... 

[AidanG]

First, apologies for resurrecting an old thread!

With the advent of Genos 2, I am in the market for either a used original Genos or at a push I could stretch to a PA5X. I suspect there's no way I will be able to justify the cost of a 2, unfortunately!

To be honest, based on some other demos, I had been inclining towards the Korg. But then I sat down and listened (through quality studio monitors) to this comparison video from Hamiltons:

https://youtu.be/HlSj0jwU5CU?si=AkRDGrBh2puRGfFx

Without looking at the comments beforehand, I just sat and listened and marked a winner in each comparison. The Yamaha won hands down – I'd expected it to be more even, at least. The Korg only got the nod for its cello, piano and pipe organ.

Admittedly it was a little difficult to decide in some categories, as we don't get like-for-like voices (such as on the strings comparison) and the playing isn't very idiomatic for the instrument being replicated in many cases.

However, throughout the experience, it became clear to me is that while some of Korg's basic samples are indeed superior to the Genos, the thing which pushes the Yamaha back to the front time and again is the way notes connect to each other. Closing your eyes, you are still aware of individual keys being pressed in the Korg's melody lines, whereas the Genos articulations sounds much closer to the instrument being replicated.

[BogdanH]

hi AidanG,
Being at Yamaha dedicated forum, we can easily help you with your decision -obviously! 

Joking aside: trust your ears and your gut and that's it. One can make excellent music with either of these two keyboards: the result will always depend on you.
Some of us will say "this one sounds better" or "is easier to operate", etc. But that's always subjective and depends on your wishes, expectations, needs and finally, on your creativity skill. If I would buy (better than I have) keyboard right now, then I sure know what that would be -but my reasons don't necessary mirror yours.
That is, if you have a feeling that you like Genos more than PA5X, then that should be a reason enough (for you).

Bogdan

[AndrewKeyz]

After I owned one for about 8 months or so, personally I thought the sounds on the PA5X were relatively poor compared to the Genos, certainly solo sounds.
The strings were probably the only department I would say the Korg had a definitive advantage over the Genos and there is a massive amount of good synth sounds on board.

Some of the styles on the Korg were great though; very well done and the extra percussion pad options made them absolutely awesome and inspiring to play with.
You can actually use the smaller selection of styles in several categories in a more flexible way I found.

But... the ABSOLUTE biggest letdown on the PA5X vs Genos is the lack of registrations. If you are used to those on the Yamahas? Don't even bother thinking about a Korg!
Also if you care about recording to WAV. I thought recording to MP3 was just something I could change in the settings, it's not. I found that completely insane considering the twin micro SD card expansion options and the fact you can actually import WAVs. I know some think there is no difference in recording quality but to me I thought it was a crazy limitation considering even budget $500 digital pianos /keyboards can usually record to wav.
Mickey Mouse compared to Yamaha I was sorry to conclude and I was not the only one who thought on the official Facebook group after really trying with the machine. We got our critical messages removed mostly.