Question about special kits used in my styles

[gabrielschuck]

Hello guys!
I hope you are all doing very well.

During the São João season and the June and July festivals celebrated here in Brazil, I programmed 4 styles on my s910 in order to play songs for this occasion.
As it is not possible to expand the voices of this keyboard, I used some special kits that come with it to "imitate" percussion instruments widely used in forró and quadrilha, such as zabumba for example. But I realized that, with the exception of the Arabic kit2, the rest doesn't come with, for example, the Tyros5, so I wouldn't be able to play them correctly on it.
It so happens that, as well as other styles (including the ones I'll do in the future with the use of new voices and loops), I'm planning to sell them to yamaha keyboard users, not forgetting those who still have models that aren't as current as is the case of the s910, or simply prefer styles that use only the instrument's internal voices.
So, I ask: Which of these models of PSR's and SX that come with the Chinese Kit, Chinese mixture kit, indian kit and arabic kit2?
I don't remember if the s710 has these kits.
And for keyboards that don't have them (as is the case with the tyros5), can I include them through a Yamaha pack?
If I'm not mistaken, I read comments on some topic here that Middle Eastern would contain some of these oriental kits. Will it be the case of those that I use in styles so that it can be run on keyboards that don't have these voices included?

Thanks in advance for any help!

[BogdanH]

...So, I ask: Which of these models of PSR's and SX that come with the Chinese Kit, Chinese mixture kit, indian kit and arabic kit2?
...

The easiest way is, to download Data List's of keyboards you're interested on, which you then keep as future reference. You can find them on Yamaha web (or Google is your friend).

Bogdan

[gabrielschuck]

Thank you, Bogdan. I'll do it.
I hope you don't have to do a remapping of the parts used in these kits.
It would be nice if there was a more practical way of doing this. Maybe a program that could identify from the model and the style?
In my case, I am visually impaired and I asked someone to look for me the name of these kits. Anyway, I always try to use voices that most likely will have in other more recent models.
For example, the studio kit (which I use a lot in styles) is one that even comes with the tyros5 and many other keyboards, including the SX line.
But I will do what you suggested.

Regards,
Gabriel

[BogdanH]

Drum kits can be a tricky thing if you wish to make styles for different keyboards, but you only own one of them -and that's why I suggested "Data List's". For example:
- PSR-S700 & S900 have "PopLatinKit"
- PSR-SX700 has "PopLatinKit1"
- PSR-SX900 has "PopLatinKit1" and "PopLatinKit2"
By having DataList's, you can easy tell, that "PopLatinKit" and "PopLatinKit1" are the same, because they have the same MSB/LSB/PC number. The same means, "PopLatinKit" and "PopLatinKit1" have the same set of drum instruments on the same keys!
If particular keyboard doesn't have exactly the same drum kit you wish to use, then you can pick another "similar" drum kit just for that keyboard. Let's say you'd like to use PopDrumKit, but one keyboard doesn't have it built-in. However, it has RealDrumKit, which (let's say) sounds similar. Should you just use that drum kit for that particular keyboard? Depends on what instruments inside drum kit your style is using! For example, most built-in drum kits have "Tambourine" instrument on F#2 key. But not all! That is, if you use Tambourine in your style (in drum track), then you need to make sure that replacement drum kit also has Tambourine on the same key. And DataList contains this info (and more than that).

Luckily Yamaha doesn't change built-in drum kits that often and some of drum kits are present in all keyboards "since ever". And so I think, drum kits like PopDrumKit, RockDrumKit, StudioDrumKit, PopLatinKit, etc. are safe to use.

Bogdan

[gabrielschuck]

I was taking a look at the datalist of some keyboards...
The name of the Kits appears different, but I believe they are the same as the s910.
When I tested one of the style on my tyros5, I was able to identify the Arabickit2 that appears with that name on the s910, but now looking at the datalist found here on the site, I discovered that it is only called arabickit.
Chinesemixture Kit (if the same) appears on the SX600 as Chinesemix kit.
Anyway, I'll continue investigating, but I believe that there will be no problems running these styles on the other PSR's, only the tyros model.
Regards,
Gabriel

[gabrielschuck]

Sorry, I hadn't seen your post before. Thanks a lot again, I'll do that from now on when I don't have any other keyboards to test the styles.

- PSR-S700 & S900 have "PopLatinKit"
- PSR-SX700 has "PopLatinKit1"
- PSR-SX900 has "PopLatinKit1" and "PopLatinKit2"
By having DataList's, you can easy tell, that "PopLatinKit" and "PopLatinKit1" are the same, because they have the same MSB/LSB/PC number. The same means, "PopLatinKit" and "PopLatinKit1" have the same set of drum instruments on the same keys!

That's what I had actually noticed, that the name of the kits appears different in some other models. When I tested one of the styles, I was able to identify ArabicKit, which on the s910 appears as ArabicKit2.

Luckily Yamaha doesn't change built-in drum kits that often and some of drum kits are present in all keyboards "since ever". And so I think, drum kits like PopDrumKit, RockDrumKit, StudioDrumKit, PopLatinKit, etc. are safe to use.

Yes, I use StudioKit a lot in my styles. Of course, on higher keyboards there will be many other better kits, but I believe that in my case the s910 is a good keyboard to program styles compatible with a good amount of other models with the same voices.

And in the case of yamaha's own packs, is there any chance of having these kits in one of them?
For example, I have a style that I must have downloaded from the site that uses a special kit from the S910 (I have to check which one it is) that doesn't exist in the tyros5. However, after I installed the Cumbia pack and tested it again, the style played like on the s910.

Regards,
Gabriel