The compact version of Genos has appeared

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed, Vinciane but being a teacher or so-called "professional," he should know better how to express himself. If he would like a lesson on the topic, I'd be glad to coach him - for a fee of course! My opinion stands.

[Joe H]

Panos, there is no excuse for his comment, even if it's meant in a journalisitc tone. He is very condescending. How about this:

"For those who have always wanted to own a Genos but have a different budget in mind, there is a very good alternative, the PSR-SX900."

No sir, I spent the better part of 30 years in business and know when I've been insulted for making a buying decision. If I had spoken to my customers like this dude, I would have been told to get lost.

Of course, virtually everyone on this forum knew on the day they walked out of the store with there new Genos, there would be a stripped-down version released someday. This guy makes it sound like we were all fools for not waiting for the SX-900.

You need to let it go before you give yourself a heart attack (or at least hyper tension).  He's just expressing his opinion... same as you are expressing your opinion. It's not worth loosing your health over.

I agree with the notion it's not really a baby Genos after all... it's just a supped-up PSR S975 with more of everything and some new features which is very typical of what Yamaha does with the release of the next generation keyboard.  This is true for both Yamaha synths and arrangers.



Joe H

[panos]

C'mon Lee don't take it so personal.Cheer up my friend.You still got the best arranger in your hands. 

There is a difference between the Genos and the "alternative".I would like myself a Tyros 5 but I bought the.... "alternative" s750.
I don't think that anybody expects the new psr to sound as good as the Genos or a Tyros 4 & 5 anyway (different keybed,no aftertouch,probably not all the effects,not choir voices,half polyphony of Genos,lesser keys etc.And  those are just the differences in sound)
But maybe it will sound a little(or more) better than the s975 or maybe for some the s950 will still sound better.

Joe is making jokes.You are a spammer Joe! 

[beykock]

IMHO :

If someone is buying a new SX arranger keyboard, he
( or she ) wants a comparable sound quality of the high end model but does not need/want 76 keys and the weight nor all the extra features of the high end arranger.

Of course a budget is a very serious issue.

The ( new ) owner can also buy a perfect second hand high end arranger at the same price of a new SX900 e.g.

All depends on the personal needs and wishes of the owner.

Babette

[Lee Batchelor]

My opinion about his comments stand - and my health is fine. Thanks for asking . At least I can honestly say I never insulted anyone about their buying decision the way this very rude man has. I'll let it rest now.

[EileenL]

We now have two threads going on this keyboard can they not be merged.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50909.msg398501.html#new

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks for the post, Eileen.

I would like to see the official Yamaha release video instead of some anecdotal interpretation based on questionable thumb drive information. I somehow doubt Yamaha wants another flagship PSR keyboard introduced in this fashion !

[EileenL]

Yes Lee,
  It is far to early to start guessing what may or not be on this model. All will be known in time and lets us hope it is not pulled to pieces like Genos was before people realised what a good keyboard they had.

[DrakeM]

I vote to keep both threads, it gives us more to read in the morning.

All these keyboards sound the same since the S950 to the average listeners it came out with the new guitar sounds.

The DJ knobs and sounds are the only advance added and older more mature folks don't use them anyway.

[Pino]

🔺
I totally agree with Drake
I do keyboard lessons and have the 3000, 910, 950 & 975 side by side in my studio.

If I had to go for Big Band/orchestra songs, I'd probably pick the 910 or 950
For EDM then sure the S975,

I do like everything I've seen about the new keyboard, but this time, I will not listen to any Yamaha demos, I will go to the music shop, I will play and record 5 songs on the USB recorder and I will take to my studio and I will compare the songs to my other recordings from my other keyboards, if there is a noticeable difference then I may go for it.

If the samples are the same as S975 and not much difference in the recordings then I will stick to what I already have and spend more time on making my own WAV voices.

Pino
🔺

[Henni]

I could not disagree more! If I convert my new styles to the 950, it does not sound even close to the original anymore. The new model WILL have many of the new Genos voices. Did any of you listen to the "My life" mp3 from Francesco?  I am awestruck by those guitars and I bet the new model will have those too.

[voodoo]

All these keyboards sound the same since the S950 to the average listeners it came out with the new guitar sounds.

Drake,

my personal opinion is, you are totally right.

I used S950, S970 and now Genos. I think they share the same sample base and the same sound engine. The main differences are feature wise (better keybed, touch display, SA2, Ensemble, more voices, more DSP). But when I use the same voices on different keyboards, they sound identical.

But this is based on judging the quality of voices. It may be the case, that the quality of of styles may differ, when they make use of the new voices and the many DSPs.

Uli

[Joe H]

I'm what is called a "Power User".  I take advantage of most of the features. Probably more than others do. One of the gripes for those who don't use many of the features is why should they pay for features they don't use.  But as I have said before, from a marketing standpoint, manufacturers have to make "one-size-fits-all" keyboards to make any money.

Joe H

[beykock]

IMHO there might be much more " Power Users " here than we might think.

Step be step this group is growing every day.
Everybody in his own way.

The features of the modern arranger keyboards are inviting players to do a lot more than just playing a " simple " song.

Thanks to the software and the technique of today many members are using the features of their keyboard to do much more with their kbs than ever before.

Babette

[EileenL]

As always with these arranger keyboards the choice is yours. You may choose just to sit and select a style and voices then play or you may want to set up and use some of the effects and re-voice certain parts or even build new styles using Style Assembly. What ever you do the important part is that you enjoy it.

[reya]

I am a bit surprised to see physical buttons for the voice and style categories combined with the new touch screen.
In Genos the introduction of the touch screen did away with those physical category buttons and I have not missed them one second

Physical buttons do cost money to the manufacturer so I would have expected them to dissapear in the PSR SXxxx models with touch screen as well.
Makes me wonder if the PSR SX screen shots are real .....
Unless of course there is another reason for Yamaha to keep them

I guess time will tell ....

Rudy

[EileenL]

Maybe they think the screen will be to small to have the lists down the side as we do. Time will tell.

[Toril S]

I am thankful for every button!

[vbdx66]

Guys, please do not forget that visually impaired musicians would be lost without physical buttons. An arranger which relies too much on a touchscreen is wasted for visually impaired musicians. Besides, many of these persons are musicians because this is the one activity where they can shine and where their handicap won't hinder them too much. 

[Joe H]

I'm sure Yamaha engineers put a lot of thought into designing their keyboards.  There is a conscious "intent" with every element of the final design and functionality.

Joe H

[ekurburski]

I need buttons!  My fat fingers do not do well on touch screens and like Toril I have very poor eyesight!

[reya]

Well, maybe that's the feedback Yamaha got after launching Genos... that quite a number of people actually need those physical buttons.

Maybe we 'll see them reintroduced on Genos 2.
Lets hope so for all of those people.

Rudy

[EileenL]

Don't forget with Genos you do have the voice guide application which tells you what you are touching on the screen and works very well.

[Cheshire Chris]

Guys, please do not forget that visually impaired musicians would be lost without physical buttons. An arranger which relies too much on a touchscreen is wasted for visually impaired musicians. Besides, many of these persons are musicians because this is the one activity where they can shine and where their handicap won't hinder them too much. 

I'm a little puzzled as to how having voice category selection buttons will aid visually impaired users, given that it will still be necessary to use the touchscreen to select the actual voice.

[J. Larry]

Whether the SX 900 is a supped-up S975 or a baby Genos, it doesn't matter to me.  I ordered it yesterday with no regrets.  Keeping the S975 as a backup.  Traded a PA 1000 that I never liked, nor could learn the operating system.  Happy to be stuck with Yamaha.

[Pino]

On my Ketron SD40 touch screen the instrument icons are 10 times bigger than any button on the keyboard,  has a photo of the instrument.
The SX has the same screen layout. +++
Pino

[voodoo]

Traded a PA 1000 that I never liked, nor could learn the operating system.  Happy to be stuck with Yamaha.

Hey,

this is very interesting. I think that the PA1000 has its strengths as well, for example chord sequencer. Can you say, what you didn't like about it?

Uli

P.S.: I tested PA900 and PSR-S950, and decided for PSR. Possibly for the same reasons as you.

[J. Larry]

Voodoo:
I probably didn't give the PA 1000 enough time.  I liked the overall sound, many of the styles and voices.  I thought the build was somewhat better than the S975, as well as the keybed.  However, as a long time Yamaha owner, I prefer the way Yamaha does things.  I just prefer the Yamaha sound, especially on particular instrument voices.  With the Korg, I constantly struggled with trying to recall where everything was and how to get there----how to store, save, edit, EQ, adjust parameters, vocal harmonizer, and all the rest.  Spent more time on that than playing music.  It just wasn't a good fit.  Looking forward to the SX 900.

[valimaties]

Chord Looper and Revo Drums appeared in CVP 800, too... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNz81hQi48

[cliffordleo1965]

The shortened version of Genos has appeared.
Yamaha PSR-SX900 (It is a compact version of Genos but possesses more advanced features than Genos such as Bluetooth, Loop Chord ...)

- Touch screen, interface like genos. (smaller size)
- Two front USB ports
- 3 voices for the right hand
- Loop chord mode (Same as previous korg)
- No after touch
- Keyboard type is still light and shallow like S975 with 61 keys
- There is DEC - INC button under the data wheel
- 1400 Voices, 500 Styles.
- 1Gb memory Sample
- Bluetooth Audio
- 15W + 10W x2 Amps
- Sub Woofer Output
- 4Gb memory User
- Weight 11.5Kg (25 lbs)
- Price about $2100 USD

,m using psr s 950 it's good one.. after coming new psr s 975. I didn't purchased because in that same old rubber buttons used.. after long time Yamaha announced sx900 model.. it's good one. As I checked vedio.. only cost is so high. So i wrote.. about reducing cost it needed..touch screen is costlier.. so in psr 3000 buttons are plastic and it was good one I used long time..So we need reasonable cost this is my intention... If genos is good not all can purchase it because of cost price.. same case in sx900.... It's my request to Yamaha co....  Clifford Leo dsouz