Owned a Tyros 5/76 for over a year... and still loving it!

[beykock]

 One day Yamaha might decide to continue the production
of their Legend called the Tyros.😉

Why not sell 2 high end arrangers : Genos and Tyros ?
Both arrangers are winners and 2 different " beasts ".

Wishful thinking, I guess ? 🐷

Babette

[Will49]

Babette and Toril S. Very well-said... couldn't agree more with you both!

Kind regards,
Will

[beykock]

Car brand names like Golf and Mustang e.g. are on the market for many years and their reputation is a warranty for all ( future ) users.

It would be wonderful one day Yamaha will have the intention to come back with their worldwide successful product and call it " New Tyros ".

Babette

[EileenL]

I can't really see this happening. After all Genos is the next step up with improved technology. It still has the same operating system as Tyros and a lot of its styles but of course they sound a lot more alive. It is also a lot lighter to carry which is a good thing. Still has Ensemble and Organ world although the latter has now been incorporated into the organ section which is easier to use as are many other things. Now has the playlist feature which replaces the Music Finder and is what people have been asking for a very long while. No more having to pay for expensive flash memory to use voice packs as it is already in the keyboard. Many new voices and all voices can be easily tweaked just as before. Many other features on it that make thing like adjustments much easier to do and quickly. Assignable buttons so you can easily find your favorite functions instead of searching for them. The Gateway buttons which are very useful indeed.
I can't see that many would want to buy a tyros if it did not have most of these things on it because if it did you would be buying a GENOS

[beykock]

I like the latest technology of the Genos ( who doesn't ? ) but the Genos is so new.

The Genos has not proved the worldwide reputation of the Tyros yet.

Time will tell.

Babette

[EileenL]

I think you will find it has and more and more people are now buying it and using it for Home and Gigs.

[Toril S]

I am sure that Genos is a fantastic keyboard. But I needed the good, old buttons, so Tyros it is for me! I am very satisfied with it.
It can be navigated without eyesight, something you cannot do with the Genos, even with VoiceGuide. And the Tyros looks so much better. Sorry, but that is my opinion. Tyros is beautiful!

[Will49]

After all Genos is the next step up with improved technology. It still has the same operating system as Tyros and a lot of its styles but of course they sound a lot more alive.

Hi Eileen, Could the fact that the overall sound of the Genos is "more alive" have something to do with the effects? When it first came out, I recall reading posts from some who felt that the programmers had gone a bit OTT, and that some of Genos' sounds and styles seemed awash with far too much reverb!
With a great deal of experimenting with Reverb, EQ and a myriad of other effects available on the Tyros 5, I have been able to make it sound so much better than it is straight from the box. In most cases, the improvement is staggering... to the point that it really does sound like a totally different keyboard!

I think you will find it has and more and more people are now buying it and using it for Home and Gigs.

Yes, of course, I do not dispute that at all. However, could this also have something to do with the fact that there is no longer a brand new Tyros to be had? Granted, some of the used ones out there are still in excellent condition but, you know how it is, some people always prefer 'brand new'! And in this particular arranger category, well, Genos is currently the only option available to them... other than jump ship to another brand, of course!

And the Tyros looks so much better. Sorry, but that is my opinion. Tyros is beautiful!

Hi Toril S, Absolutely, my opinion too!! And like I've said before, when I saw the two side by side, it was a no contest that the T5-76 (to me) by far looked the nicest and most impressive of the two!

Kind regards to all,
Will

[sooty8]

The biggest bonus we have are the conversions from the Genos for the Tyros 5 which Onacimus has carried out, I think we have the best of both worlds the Tyros and Genos. They sound fantastic I think the man is a genius, the work that must go into these conversions is enormous. I feel that we are very lucky to have such a talented member on our forum.

Steve

[Toril S]

Agreed! We are lucky!

[henrycar]

Another  "GREAT ONE".

Thanks Onacimus

[beykock]

Hi,

Maybe it is not easy to compare the Tyros5 and the Genos.

Both arranger keyboards are highend " beasts " made by the same manufacturer called Yamaha.

To say one is better than the other might be a bridge too far. Both keyboards are different machines, I believe.

Why not keeping the Tyros family alive and continue the Genos serie ?
Why not 2 highend arrangers ?

Babette

[Toril S]

That would definitively be good for us visually impaired keyboarders!!

[pjd]

Why not keeping the Tyros family alive and continue the Genos serie ?
Why not 2 highend arrangers ?

Hi --

Well, in one word, business.

Yamaha would need to manufacture, maintain and support two high-cost product lines while splitting the market for high-end arrangers in two. That would essentially double their costs without increasing market share or sales. On top of this, Yamaha would probably have to sell the next Tyros at a lower price than the flagship Genos, further cutting return on a Tyros product.

There's probably some marketing principles against splitting the market with two competing high-end products from the promotional (advertising) point of view (i.e., customer confusion, etc.) But, in the end, it comes down to $$$$.

I don't mean this as a slam against T5 because I have a lot of respect for it as an instrument and darned near bought one (twice).

BTW, I'm sorry that this sounds harsh, but business is a rather cold topic.  We all prefer music! 

-- pj

P.S. There are technical reasons why the T5 specifically is end of life, too.

[EileenL]

Yes we must all respect that Tyros has moved on to Genos with new casing and components. So many people were asking for touch screens which by the way I did not want. Now having used it I realised it is a doddle to use and much quicker. People wanted to be able to save all there settings with Music Finder so Yamaha have introduced Play Lists which do this. Some did not like Audio styles or thought it was to expensive to buy extra ones. They also did not like that you could not record the drum parts to Midi. We now have Revo drums which I think are much better. There are lots of other very nice and easy useable functions on Genos, so Yamaha did listen to what a lot of people wanted. In addition to this they gave us extra Play Lists and also all the Audio styles on Tyros 5 as free downloads plus other things to. I really enjoyed my Tyros 5 when I had it but would not go back to it now. Things move on and new technology is always just round the corner.   

[beykock]

Thank you all for your interesting reply.

As I said before : the Genos is a great machine, no doubt in my mind.

But ... I cannot understand why Yamaha's Marketing Division has decided to end a famous, historical, worldwide brand name called TYROS, a Real Champion.
Never shoot a winning horse, right ?

It is hard for me to believe the Tyros brand name will never come back in the ( near ) future.😯

Tyros, a brand name nobody will/can ever forget.🌹

Babette

[Toril S]

I agree Babette! Not everybody can use a touch screen.

[KenM]

Tyros 5. Fantastic keyboard.  Over a year ago I traded in my T3 for it at Hamiltons, Preston over the phone. A great company to deal with and all without leaving home in Llandudno.

To say I',m in love with the T5 is and understatement.  And I'm still discovering something new on it all all the time.

[beykock]

A couple of weeks ago someone offered me an attractive price for my T5/76.

Recently I have decided to keep it and not to go for another arranger ... I like/love my T5 too much to say goodbye. 😧

Babette

[Toril S]

If you are satisfied all is well! I will not part with my Tyros!

[Danny1972]

So to anyone out there who has a previous Tyros model, and thinking of upgrading to a T5/76, then go for it. And those coming from a T4 will find that a lot of their old keyboard is still in the T5/76 (not a bad thing really) but with now a much better effects/DSP system. Spend some time experimenting with the new effects and you will be truly amazed! There are also over 300 new voices, several new styles (incl. Audio)... and much, much more. And of course, you'll have 76 keys to play with - great if you like using a 3-way split keyboard occasionally.  All in all, if you're like me, you won't regret it!

Hi Will,

Interesting read indeed and sharing your experience. I feel exactly the same as you - but with my T4. I've had it now for about 5 years and it still takes my breath away sometimes, and after hearing both the T5 & Genos I really can't hear that much of an improvement over the T4 enough to warrant upgrading, whereas for the same money in an exchange you could actually get a decent S model with some of those new sounds, styles and features instead - which I did. So in other words, instead of the price for an upgrade, I kept the T4 and have the S975 along side it, it seems you're getting so much more for the money.

In my opinion (and maybe controversially)  from the first Tyros up until the Genos, I think the biggest jump (and improvement) has been from T3 to T4, but since then I think it's slowed down, at least 'sonically'. For me Yamaha will have to change something significantly enough to change from a T4 and it hasn't quite happened yet as you can make the T4, T5 & Genos sound exactly the same and in some ways make any one of them stand out over the other.

However, if I wasn't a Yamaha owner wanting to purchase one, I have no doubt the T5 would be where I would go over the Genos as I think the T5 is beautiful.

Oddly, I am not sure if the T4 is going to be my last TOTL Yamaha and just experiment around with the S (or SX) models instead.

[Cosmorot]

Hey. I am a happy T5 / 76 user. I am a professional composer and arranger. Since the purchase, I have unloaded the computer's CPU by 70% due to the natural sound of many voices. Despite many problems with MIDI connections, using the organ world and the ugliness of the sampler,

I am ready to use Tyros for many more years.

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[Cosmorot]

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