My Genos Froze.

[Lee Batchelor]

Glad to help, Abby! Dinner? What time would you like us all there? We'll need an address and directions ! Should we bring wine, dessert...?

Excellent points, Panos. The EQ settings inside the Genos should be set fairly flat. As Panos writes, you don't want too many EQ settings in the signal chain fighting with one another. The EQ Gold settings may not be appropriate. Abby, did you specify your Genos Master EQ and compression settings? If not, please do so. Thanks for the Yamaha mixer PDF. I'll give a look.

[Lee Batchelor]

Just looking at the mixer PDF, Abby.

Are you feeding the sub with a signal that is unaffected by the Master EQ on the mixer? Do you feed the sub through the Aux 1 or 2 output jacks? If so, try pulling back the 63 Hz band on the Master EQ all the way (-12 dB). This should prevent any frequencies lower than 63 Hz from reaching your Mains. You want a way to only let the Mains play from about 90 Hz and above. Everything below 90 Hz can be played by the sub. If I'm right, the result should be an even better bass definition.

[Pianoman]

Hello Lee.

Dinner was great and the wife loved it.

I normally leave the individual channel EQ settings to unity or neutral, I'm never sure
about the name.

The piano has it's own onboard EQ so I leave it at neutral too.
The same goes for the Microphone though I often lower the low frequency by
about 20%.

I sometimes raise the three highest frequencies on the digital EQ of the mixer by
1,2, and 3 Decibels, from the third last to the last, respectively.

I use Natural Compression and either modified Bright EQ settings or slightly modified
Lee Batchelor settings, depending on the room.

I'm attaching two examples of the EQ settings.
I don't know why one of the pictures is upside down.

Best Regards.
Abby.

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[Lee Batchelor]

Hi Abby,

Yes, dinner must have been good. I could smell it all the way over here, just east of Toronto, Ontario (LOL) ! Next time, a little more garlic please .

The Bright settings are fine, but the EQ Lee & Me settings are also fine and won't interfere with bass sounds you are trying to clean up. The EQ Lee & Me setting boosts the overall midrange, in particular, the vocal area. These frequencies make up the bulk of what we hear on well-produced CDs and are very carefully watched by the recording studio techs. I don't see that you need to change anything on the Genos. The slight boost in the mixer digital EQ is fine too. You may encounter some feedback if you push beyond 3 dB. You'll know it. Give my previous ideas a try - especially the cut on the mixer at 65 Hz. Let us know. Thanks...

- Lee

[Pianoman]

Hello Lee.
Thanks for your response and clarifications.

I will try out your recommendations tomorrow and let you know.
I'll be playing tonight, but only on the hotel's grand piano for an hour.

I'll just take my mixer and PA system with me though I don't think that there
will be any singing.

It's a wedding reception in the hotel bar, and they just want background music
for an hour.

Then they'll go downstairs to the Discotheque for the rest of their business.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[DonM]

This is not going to be popular, but when you boost EVERY band of e.q., you are basically turning the volume up and possible adding noise.
Most real experts advise cutting some bands if necessary and SLIGHTLY boosting some if needed.  If you are boosting any band more than five or six decibels, something else is wrong.
And be careful of using both the keyboards internal e.q. and also the mixer e.q.  It's easy to over boost bands that way.  I usually e.q. the keyboard from the internal settings and leave the mixer flat for the keyboard. 
You can use the mixer e.q. for vocals or other things plugged directly into it.
Also, those of us who have been doing this a LONG time have generally lost some high frequency hearing, so it is very tempting to overdo the high end and make it to shrill for the audience.  Guilty here, especially as the night goes on and hearing changes, and you are tempted to make e.q. changes.  I never touch the e.q. during the evening unless something feeds back, which is extremely rare with the speakers and setup I use, even though my ears may be telling me to twist knobs.
Over the years many of us became accustomed to using, and hearing, the infamous "V" e.q. setting, where highs and lows are boosted and mids cut.  That may have been necessary "back then", but the modern p.a. systems and other gear are better and reproduce sounds more naturally. 
A top sound man once was asked how he e.q.d a band and he said, "I ask myself if I can clearly hear the bass, hear the guitar, hear the drums and all other instruments, make adjustments as necessary, and then leave it alone!"
E.Q. --- a little bit goes a long way. 

[Lee Batchelor]

Actually, Don - you're 100 percent correct.

The only reason I boost in that range on my Genos is to enhance the same area the studio producers do when finalizing a CD. My Soundcraft mixer runs flat all the time for the Genos channels. I roll the bass back a bit for my two singers because they have very warm voices in the lower range - almost too much if that's possible .

Good advice, my friend.

[Pianoman]

No EQ worries tonight.

I got back from the gig an hour ago.

I just pushed out the Grand piano that you see in the picture above , and tinkled
for an hour or so, took my 300 Euros and came home.

No Keyboards, EPs, or Subwoofer.
I just took the JBLs and mixer, but sang about 6 songs.
The rest of the hour was just background piano.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Lee Batchelor]

Those gigs are gold, Abby! Good for you my friend. I just may hop a plane and come over to hear you play. Mind if I join you on the piano?

[travlin-easy]

Lee, I had serious thoughts of doing this, hopping on a jet and heading for Ibiza. However, turns out there are some problems packing a portable oxygen generator on a plane these days. Plus, recharging them in some nations would be out of the question.

Also thought about sailing my sailboat there, but I'm just too damned old to cross the Atlantic on a 33-foot sailing yacht. The trip takes about 3 weeks under ideal conditions, too much for this old fart.

Good luck,

Gary

[Pianoman]

Those gigs are gold, Abby! Good for you my friend. I just may hop a plane and come over to hear you play. Mind if I join you on the piano?

You're all welcome to Ibiza, and on the piano.
Mind you, this place is wild and expensive in the summer.
Wild women come here, and....ahem.....men too..
.

Still waiting for Gary.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Lee Batchelor]

Lee, I had serious thoughts of doing this, hopping on a jet and heading for Ibiza. However, turns out there are some problems packing a portable oxygen generator on a plane these days. Plus, recharging them in some nations would be out of the question.

Also thought about sailing my sailboat there, but I'm just too damned old to cross the Atlantic on a 33-foot sailing yacht. The trip takes about 3 weeks under ideal conditions, too much for this old fart.

Good luck,

Gary

Or, Abby could come and visit you. I'll need your address !

[Yinon]

Hi Abby,

One more note about the sub.
According to the pictures you have Behringer B1500HP Eurolive.

If this is correct, you have an active crossover in it.
The best way to utilize it is get the JBL's connected to it using the output channels.

The way to do it is run your L & R balanced XLR from the mixer to the sub input, and then from the sub-outputs to your left and right speakers.

If connected like that, it means that the split of frequencies will happen without special attention.
The crossover on the sub is making sure that only the mid/high frequencies are getting to the main speakers while the low frequencies comes from the sub only.

This way there is less concerns about doubling the low-mid range (which often is the "muddy") issues you get.

To make sure you get the most of each room, set you Genos to play and start moving the crossover point until it sounds the best.
(Each venue will have a different cross spot).








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[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Yinon. I didn't see that. Excellent idea. That takes all the guesswork out. It will also tell you if the Behringer sub is up to the task, which it probably is .

Also, the Outputs to the EONS appear to be crossed at 100 Hz, by looking at the label. This means the sub will handle frequencies from 100 Hz and lower. The EONS will handle frequencies 100 Hz and higher.

[Pianoman]

Thanks for the tip Yinon and Lee.

It is indeed the Behringer B1500HP Eurolive Sub.
I'm using passive speakers though, so I'm not sure if that also  applies to passive
speakers too.

If they do, that would be fantastic. I would just need to buy a couple more cables.

My speakers are  EON 1500s.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Lee Batchelor]

I don't think that works on passive speakers. You would need to route the XLR outputs from the sub to a power amp, or powered mixer, and then to the EONS. Opinions anyone?

Or could Abby use his Yamaha powered mixer as "the mixer" in the above statement? I've never routed signal in that fashion. Too convoluted.

[Yinon]

Hi Abby,

Unfortunately - this will not work with passive speakers. 
But now that Lee identifies the cross point for the JBL's (100KHz), it's an easier task.

Dial the 100KHz cross point on the sub and there should be no redundancy in frequencies.

One more thought ...
I know I may be out of line but perhaps you should consider a different PA system mainly as you gig every night ...

I'm using 2 L1 compacts for small venues (up to 70 people).
I'm using 2 EV Evolve 50 for mid size venues (up to 150 people)
I'm using my EV ZLX 12" and EV 18 sub for anything lrger than 150 ...

All are powered.
This allows me to reduce the mixer to a small Mackie ProFX12V2 (very small and light) ....

This saves a lot of room in the car (...and a lot of weight off my back).

The L1's and Evolve's are taking less than one min to setup and tear down ....
Absolutely recommended.

Cheers!

[KeyboardByBiggs]

Ditto on using self-powered line array systems like the L1 or any of the LD-Systems products, from the Maul 5 on up to their beastly systems.

[Lee Batchelor]

I'm forced to agree, Abby. Your current setup probably sounds great, but there are far lighter options these days. I can see wanting to keep the Kawai piano, even at 70+ pounds. If your budget permits, perhaps it's time to buy an inclusive powered system, that is Mains and sub that are engineered to work together. There a ton of options from which to choose.

Guys and gals, I just hope we didn't plant the seeds in Abby's head that will land him in trouble with "Mrs. Abby" !

[Tommy 73]

http://fohonline.com/articles/road-tests/yamaha-dzr10-d-and-dxs15-xlf-speakers/ http://www.audiotechnology.com/yamaha-dzr-series-powered-speakers/ Dante version not necessary here to keep cost down... And to quote foh-online "so when I say the Yamaha DZR/DXS speakers sound magnificent, it doesn't come lightly"

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

....However, turns out there are some problems packing a portable oxygen generator on a plane these days....

Good luck,

Gary

As so often, when I read that, I felt I have overstayed my welcome in this world.  My son is paralyzed (accident driving his YAMAHA motorbike).He he now has "an external sceleton suit". Has participated in a 200 m "marathon".  But coming to Finland from Italy he needs many hours to "clear" the security inspection. They must make sure he is not a terrorist in disguise intending to blow up the plane.
Due to the fact that I since 30 years perform only to collect money for charity Finnair, SAS, Lufthansa and Alitalia  graciously used to carry all my equipment, some 100 kg for free. Haven't  had gigs abroad since two years so I am not sure, but I suspect  they would say "that was then".   

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Lee Batchelor]

So sorry to hear about your son, Kaarlo. No parent (or child) should have to go through that. It's a sad state of affairs when the world treats those who try to do good, as terrorists. Equally sad when they won't help you do charity work. My thoughts are with you, my friend.

- Lee

[stephenm52]

So sorry to hear about your son, Kaarlo. No parent (or child) should have to go through that. It's a sad state of affairs when the world treats those who try to do good, as terrorists. Equally sad when they won't help you do charity work. My thoughts are with you, my friend.

- Lee

Kaarlo,   I echo Lee's comments, sorry to hear of your problems. 

[Toril S]

So am I Kaarlo.

[hans1966]

Hello Karlo, I am very sorry about your son, I accompany you with my thoughts. a hug. Hans