Is it really necessary?

[beykock]

Abby is absolutely right, IMHO.

A professional musician makes music to have income.
Her / his daily job.

Not an easy life.😯
A life most of the members and moderators of this forum do not ( want to ) know.

Babette

[panos]

Ι didn't get the feeling that the original post from Murat was against professional musicians at all.

I got the feeling that It was to complain somehow about so many posts with technical stuff concerning the Genos,
mostly from professionals players or even from some expansion pack makers that give them hard times and find Genos and Yamaha in general insufficient concerning some functions.

The "problem" my friend Murat is that we post on forum when things don't work as we wish and try to find a solution.
For the majority of the Genos' functions that work nice and smoothly there is no need to post anything at all, I guess

[valimaties]

Ι didn't get the feeling that the original post from Murat was against professional musicians at all.

I got the feeling that It was to complain somehow about so many posts with technical stuff concerning the Genos,
mostly from professionals players or even from some expansion pack makers that give them hard times and find Genos and Yamaha in general insufficient concerning some functions.

The "problem" my friend Murat is that we post on forum when things don't work as we wish and try to find a solution.
For the majority of the Genos' functions that work nice and smoothly there is no need to post anything at all, I guess

Very well said, panos.
Who don't need functions, or other bugs repaired, because they don't need them and don't use them, is simple that they would not need to read those posts... If there are complains, this means something happening: user fault or keyboard fault. There are users which when a real bug has been discovered, he/she did not post either bug exists or is a real user fault in his/her opinion. I like that a user to be honest and to recognize an existing bug and to accept that Genos is not a perfect arranger and it has some missing functions or some of them does not work as it has to be, comparing with other brands which uses the same function, or a PC. Do not forget Genos is like a big gadget and is made by some programming code (software) and some hardware. You can bound those two (hardware with software) in more than one way. The way is chosen by programming team, but it HAS to HEAR the feedback from user and to update or even modify an entire part of an OS/Software if that hardware does not work as is has to be.  Is my opinion as a programmer and a user of an arranger.

Regards,
Vali

[beykock]

Hi Vali,

Thanks for your reply.

I did not know the Genos has still problems that are not solved yet.🐭

That information is new to me.
Believed all bugs had been solved though.😒
Apparently I am wrong.

Babette

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

The whole world is full of BUGS!!

Get some repellent-- Workaround spray!!!
Has the Genos got a few bugs?  "I wondered by i keep itching" 

[Bill]

I played for dancing and dining in clubs on weekends for close to 25 years. But, I never quit my day job. Guess that makes me 'Lucky'. Don in MI

Hi Don

"Lucky" is not what I would call you.  Luck (to me) is when someone wins £20 million pound on the National lottery the  FIRST time they play.

You are obviously very talented and have utilised that Talent to maximise your income AND get the Most enjoyment to of life. Living Life to the full.  So I would say DETERMINED.

Regards

Bill

[Bill]

Abby is absolutely right, IMHO.

A professional musician makes music to have income.
Her / his daily job.

Not an easy life.😯
A life most of the members and moderators of this forum do not ( want to ) know.

Babette

Hi Babette

I too did not appreciate how hard a Professional Musician's life is.  Like most members and the moderators (as you said) I only had to work 6 days a week for 12 hours a day to bring up my family.  I only had to work on my day off to buy the extra's.   

In reality LIFE is HARD regardless of what you do. You get out of life what you put into it.   
PS: You could easily take the easy way out like me and the majority of the moderators and forum members.

Bill

[whataguy]

Hi Bill - Thanks for the kind words. Regarding your comments on "Lucky", I have found that Luck only occurs when 'preparation merges with opportunity' so I'm always at the ready. As far as the Lottery goes, instead of one person winning £20 million, wouldn't it be neater if 20 people were to win £1 million? Also, if anyone doesn't love their job they're in the wrong business. Noticed you are the proud owner of a "Genos" too and if you have any tips please send them along to me, I would really appreciate it. For instance, I just learned the other day that when you change the tempo of one of the songs in the G's playlist to fit the tune I'm playing (which I often do) you can get back to the original tempo by pressing the '-' and '+' at the same time. Dam, some people are just so smart. Live life as though today was your last day.  Don in MI

[Murat]

As far as the Lottery goes, instead of one person winning £20 million, wouldn't it be neater if 20 people were to win £1 million?

I couldn't agree more. That's what I have been saying for years. Instead of one person winning a 100 gazillion pounds wouldn't it be nice to split that into £1millon shares so many other people can enjoy life? The way the jackpots are calculated should be changed.

[mikf]

I don't think nearly as many would buy the tickets if it was divided into $1 million pots. The lottery companies need the potential thrill of a major life changing event to drive sales.
Just realized how far we are drifting off topic >
Mike

[Toril S]

We tend to drift a bit yes😀

[Floodie]

Music, and the tools we choose to produce it, are constantly evolving over time. Advances in technologies encourage beginners and empower experts. It's a win, win, no brainer. 

Musicians for hire may feel threatened by new technologies that appear to subsidize talent, and perhaps, unjustly facilitate new competition. My Genos came with a lot of features, but none of them were talent. Talent is subjective anyway, audience appreciation determines talent. Everyone has talent, some more than others, luckily my six year old granddaughter thinks I'm fantastic.

The full advantages of Genos are only revealed to those who put in the time to absorb and utilize its complex architecture. That in itself becomes a new valid talent. Talents add up, if I could play and do dishes at the same time, perhaps I could get my wife interested.

The technology keeps me inspired, I am constantly finding something new. I spend 4-5 hours a day with the Genos, sometimes without ever playing a note. Technology allows me to create music from my brain with less emphasis on finger dexterity. This is a good thing, the keybed and theory are unnecessary deterrents, let's replace them with telekinesis and see what people really think about music.

[Bachus]

Hi Genos Owners,

Do you agree the Genos is made for pro musicians as well as for home players ?

Babette

I think its more aimed at home musicians..
But it also makes the best instrument for a pro musician playing solo gigs..

[sugarplumsss]

Music, and the tools we choose to produce it, are constantly evolving over time. Advances in technologies encourage beginners and empower experts. It's a win, win, no brainer. 

Musicians for hire may feel threatened by new technologies that appear to subsidize talent, and perhaps, unjustly facilitate new competition. My Genos came with a lot of features, but none of them were talent. Talent is subjective anyway, audience appreciation determines talent. Everyone has talent, some more than others, luckily my six year old granddaughter thinks I'm fantastic.

The full advantages of Genos are only revealed to those who put in the time to absorb and utilize its complex architecture. That in itself becomes a new valid talent. Talents add up, if I could play and do dishes at the same time, perhaps I could get my wife interested.

The technology keeps me inspired, I am constantly finding something new. I spend 4-5 hours a day with the Genos, sometimes without ever playing a note. Technology allows me to create music from my brain with less emphasis on finger dexterity. This is a good thing, the keybed and theory are unnecessary deterrents, let's replace them with telekinesis and see what people really think about music.

I am one of those pro musicians here. I have been a full time professional for over 50 years now.
I own the Tyros 4

Can you tell me about all the things my t4 is capable of? I use it as drum machine, MIDI player.. and rarely use its main functionality, auto acmp.

Then there is 2 steps up, the Genos... how is Genos even more capable than T4?
Thank you

[panos]

Hi sugar,
I think I just answered your question coincidentally on another thread 
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,48946.msg383545.html#msg383545

[Yinon]

My 2 cents -

While it's true that pro musicians are called pro since they are getting paid to perform - (hence it their profession), I think it's a simple math that pro musicians are better than the average hobbyist.
Even if the the talent level is similar, the pro musician will inevitably spend much more time practicing, performing, improving, learning new etc all to be able to continue and remain current.

Second topic -
I agree that the Tyros/Genos is designed more for the living room/studio than live.
Starting with it's non standard shape (the Genos is extremely wide comparing to the other 76 keys on the market) and continuing to the revised style list which focused on older style rather then keeping current. A very painful topic is the half-bar break which is very complex to perform (comparing to Korg PA which allows you to get back to the "1" on a hit of button no matter where you are in the bar ... Or Ketron which allows the same)

Having said that - the Genos is fantastic since it's allowing you to change it all and since the SOUNDS it offers are simply non-beatable.
I gig with Genos and while it does take a lot of tweaking to get it to the level of a live show, once you do - its simply the best out there.

For those of you who are on the fence - I strongly recommend it.

Enjoy.

[J. Larry]

I wonder if Yamaha gets a chuckle from all this word parsing about the Genos----when its goal is to sell arrangers.  Are they concerned about amateur vs professional, or the competence level of the player/owner, as long as it's a Yamaha purchase?

[emmaco]

Genos is REALLY a great toy !...

It's the best tool i ever had for creating songs quickly.

And in a Band, it's doing the job very well. What sounds !...
I played last week (2-300 people) and it was wonderful.

Exactly the same piano sound as Imagine ! The dream is NOT over...

To be able to loop the sounds in Multipads would definitely be a good thing, and the management of insertion effects could be revisited.
but overall it's a fantastic machine.
And the startup time is much faster than on my old Motif XS7.
20 seconds instead of several minutes. Great on stage in case of power failure problems...

the only negative is the sound's creation with yem.

but other than that for me it's the messiah. 
Hoping for OS 1.4 next month...

[Murat]

I think the decision to upgrade from a previous model of Yamaha to the Genos is very similar to the decision of whether or not if I should upgrade from my Samsung S7 Edge to Samsung 10 smart phone. Although there has been a couple of models in between i.e. S8 and S9, I still don't think it is worth the upgrade from S7 to S10. And what do we do with the old phone which is still working perfectly!?

The same thing applies to our keyboards. If you have a Tyros 5 or even 4, you may not want to upgrade for good reasons. For example, I also have a Korg Pa3x 76 but would never upgrade to the Pa4x; not worth the upgrade.

So, if there was a new Yamaha called the Genos 2; I would never upgrade as I am very happy with my Genos.

[Joe H]

I think it doesn't really matter how you use/play your arranger keyboard... as long as you derive pleasure from it.

Yamaha's intent is to bring the joy of music to millions of people... whether it's the pro musician or someone who can barely play at all and has NO musical training what so ever.



Joe H

[EileenL]

Hi Joe,
  There you have it in a nut shell. Enjoyment is a very important thing.

[Tyros5Mad]

This^^^^^^


RL