Registration Conversion Advice Needed Please

[kali291]

Hi. I am struggling to come to terms with converting Tyros 5 registrations to work on my SX700 using YRM. My old brain cannot seem to grasp things too easily these days! Any guidance greatly appreciated thank you.
I have loaded the T5 registrations in the software, and I have all the T5 preset styles and multipads on a USB key attached to my PC. I have ticked Real Time substitution, and ticked USB1 for Custom Styles, Multipad and Song.
When I try to then convert: (1) It stops on every missing style and I have to follow the same path for each missing style. Is it meant to do this, or can I somehow tell the software that all missing style are on USB1 ?  (2) It stops on missing multipads, and the only option is to use preset ones on my SX700 Is there a way to use the ones specified for the T%, which I have on USB1 ? (3)  There is no option to use custom (ieT5) voices. I can substitute SX700 voices, but would like to use T5 voices (I have the .vce files) if there was a way of loading them. Is there?
Sorry for all the questions. I am very new at this, and still 'feeling' my way around. Thanks for any help.
Ron

[ckobu]

Watch the video, and use the Batch Bank Conversion method.
https://youtu.be/r57Dzq_b0IQ

[kali291]

Watch the video, and use the Batch Bank Conversion method.
https://youtu.be/r57Dzq_b0IQ

Thanks for link. I'm still confused I cannot see why it is called Batch Conversion when your video appears to tell me I have to edit every single missing style/voice/multipad. Sorry if I sound ungrateful

[blackpool]

I just created my new registrations using my style files used on the T5 which all seem to work fine on SX700.

I suppose it depends how many you want to copy over.
I did one then used freeze for my 'global' needs ie... assignables / ped settings etc.. This then saves the frozen commands into further registrations automatically as you create them then you can turn freeze off.

Also each of the T5 MFD files become a registration bank ( so they are in situ for playlist ) and convert without problem to the SX ...this takes a few minutes to do the 2500 ...although you will have to resave these with your 'global' needs.

The SX  seems to pick up all the voice and OTS settings doing it this way, or provides a decent substitute for those missing on the SX which were on the T5
Keith

[kali291]

I just created my new registrations using my style files used on the T5 which all seem to work fine on SX700.

I suppose it depends how many you want to copy over.
I did one then used freeze for my 'global' needs ie... assignables / ped settings etc.. This then saves the frozen commands into further registrations automatically as you create them then you can turn freeze off.

Also each of the T5 MFD files become a registration bank ( so they are in situ for playlist ) and convert without problem to the SX ...this takes a few minutes to do the 2500 ...although you will have to resave these with your 'global' needs.

The SX  seems to pick up all the voice and OTS settings doing it this way, or provides a decent substitute for those missing on the SX which were on the T5
Keith

Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but I'm new to all this, and your reply went totally over my head lol  It seems like you are doing them one at a time on the keyboard, whereas I'm trying to convert around a hundred using Yamaha Registration Manager. Now wondering if it's even worth the hassle !! Thanks for your help anyway
Ron

[blackpool]

Hi ... As i said in my reply ...quote 'it depends on how many you are doing' ...

My point was, if you were only doing a few, you may as well do them individually on the board itself and just copy the styles over from T5 to SX ( as all styles and OTS seem to be fine )

I fully understand your trying to do them as a batch and want to use a manager.

The other point i was making was that MF (music finder files ) from Tyros 5 seem to convert fine directly on to SX and create a registration automatically for each Tyros song record including styles and voices for OTS. which you can then simply edit to your liking and re-save.

keith

[Fred Smith]

Hi. I am struggling to come to terms with converting Tyros 5 registrations to work on my SX700 using YRM. My old brain cannot seem to grasp things too easily these days! Any guidance greatly appreciated thank you.
I have loaded the T5 registrations in the software, and I have all the T5 preset styles and multipads on a USB key attached to my PC. I have ticked Real Time substitution, and ticked USB1 for Custom Styles, Multipad and Song.
When I try to then convert: (1) It stops on every missing style and I have to follow the same path for each missing style. Is it meant to do this, or can I somehow tell the software that all missing style are on USB1 ?  (2) It stops on missing multipads, and the only option is to use preset ones on my SX700 Is there a way to use the ones specified for the T%, which I have on USB1 ? (3)  There is no option to use custom (ieT5) voices. I can substitute SX700 voices, but would like to use T5 voices (I have the .vce files) if there was a way of loading them. Is there?
Sorry for all the questions. I am very new at this, and still 'feeling' my way around. Thanks for any help.
Ron

Ron,

In fact, you can use YRM batch mode very well, so give yourself credit.

For your detailed questions, your best bet is to e-mail the program's author at mbest8482 at gmail dot com. I've found Murray very helpful in the past, and expect he will be for you too.

As an aside, when I upgraded from my T4 to Genos, it was able to read all my T4 registrations without my having to convert them elsewhere. I know an SX is not a Genos, but it has the same type of OS. Have you tried simply loading your registrations into your SX? Might be worth a try.

Cheers,
Fred

[murrayb]

Fred:

Even though I created the conversion program, my advice lately is not to convert registrations when moving to a newer keyboard.  All my Tyros 4 registrations work just fine on the Genos so I left them original, and if I change anything it's saved on the Genos.  So, first try the registration and see if it will open.  If you get the message "Data didn't load properly", you'll have to convert the registration to open.

There is a good reason for this method.  New settings are continually added to the registration with newer keyboards, and if the keyboard o/s thinks the registration was created/saved on that keyboard it expects that all the new data is contained in the registration.  Certain of this missing data can create unexpected results.  However, if the registration is from an earlier compatible keyboard, any of the missing information is filled in by the keyboard operating system, and if you now save the registration all the data will be updated.

The answer to Ron's question about the Real Time Substitution is yes you have to locate the path.  Why, because you are changing a style code (the Yamaha code for the style contained in the registration) for a physical path name to the style file stored elsewhere.  On the vce files, there is no reference in the registration to any file names for voices.  Any changes you made to a voice and saved in the vce file is recorded as adjustments to the original msb,lsb,prg code for the voice and saved in the registration.   As long as the voice is available on the SX700 you should have your changes.

Murray

[kali291]

Thank you all very much for your help. I think I'm slowly getting the hang of what I need to do. Unfortunately, it seems that I overlooked the obvious 'try it first' route. I had always assumed, incorrectly it seems, that registrations were 100% machine specific and would not work on other keyboards. I will try loading what I have as is.

The answer to Ron's question about the Real Time Substitution is yes you have to locate the path.  Why, because you are changing a style code (the Yamaha code for the style contained in the registration) for a physical path name to the style file stored elsewhere.  On the vce files, there is no reference in the registration to any file names for voices.  Any changes you made to a voice and saved in the vce file is recorded as adjustments to the original msb,lsb,prg code for the voice and saved in the registration.   As long as the voice is available on the SX700 you should have your changes.
Murray

Murray: can I ask you please, if I load a T5 registration and the style and multipads are on a USB drive, will the OS just find it itself, or will I need to tell it where it is ?, and when you say 'as long as the voice is available on the SX700' do you mean as a preset or on the USB drive? I Sorry for more questions.
Thanks again everyone for your help
Ron

[blackpool]

I might be wrong here Ron ...

But I always load the voices and styles/pads used in the reg. itself to my user drive if I import registrations from another board/source. maybe it is not really required but it does seem to help. I have never had a problem

I assumed you would have tried to simply load them, my Tyros ones work ok on my SX.

on another point ...
A friend tried to copy some SX to Genos and they would NOT work .... ( THIS I CAN UNDERSTAND ) as said earlier in the thread. you can load earlier models to a later one but not later to an earlier .... i sometimes think this intentional by Yamaha ....to protect sales on later models.

keith 

[johan]

In my experience, Yamaha is not so good in finding a style or an external multipad, so best is to always use the complete path. You can make one registration on the keyboard and examine the correct path for styles and multipads using Murray's YRM. You can then with the same tool do a batch Find/replace if needed. As Murray mentions, voices are much easier: as long as they are available on the keyboard (and if they are using the same LSB in case of voices in expansion packs), there should be no issue with them.

[murrayb]

Hi Ron:

If you had the styles on your T5 hard drive, the SX700 will not find them on the USB because the drive letter will be wrong in the registration.  But this can be changed in batch mode.  Click the Find/Replace button on the Main screen, then select the folder that contains your registrations.  For simplicity, check Auto Name at the bottom of the screen for the save directory.  Select the radio button Custom File Text Change. Select the option box  USB 1 I:, then select All Sections.  Click Update Banks and the Tyros 5 E: in the path name will be changed to I:

On voices, if your adjustment was to a panel voice and that panel voice is on the SX700, your adjustments will be automatic.  However, if you have voices on a USB drive the registration will not be able to find them.  I did create a means to edit the location of vce files with the help of a fellow in Germany, but you would need to do it one voice at a time.

If you know which registrations have references to an external vce file, you can update the path using the Editor and Change.  If you're not sure where all the references are, the quickest way to find them is using the Reports feature, only selecting the Voices option, Save the report and import it to Excel.  Custom voices will be shown with Exp Vc: in the description.

When you edit a registration button with an Exp Vc:, click the Change button for the voice, a box at the bottom of the screen will show the current path for the voice which you can edit to where you are now storing the voice.  You'll need to be careful to enter the exact path name for the registration to find the voice.  If you had the vce files on the Tyros hard disk, if your path name is the same on the USB all you would have to do is change the E: to I: (Note to others, this only works for Tyros 4 and later keyboards where voice location was saved in the registration).

Sorry, I haven't created an automatic routine for this process.

Cheers,

Murray

[kali291]

Thank you all for your help and advice. Together with that and Fred's videos, I am sure I can sort myself out. As an aside, I took the advice from some posts and tried loading the registrations as is into my SX700. Almost all of them worked straight from the USB I only have to change a few mainly voices, and with Murray's instructions I am confident I can achieve that
(@Murray - you shouldn't be apologising for such incredibly useful software 🤗🤗)
Thanks again everyone
Ron