Yamaha Genos Version 2.0 Teaser

[valimaties]

Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )

Regards,
Vali

[jo mustafa]

Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )

Regards,
Vali

a person on the forum in romania arranger and yamaha service at at on 07.04.2019

[Bachus]

Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )

Regards,
Vali

That information does not say 8GB..
But 8Gb (bit as in small b)
Which equals 1GB
The information also says there is 2 of them, which makes for a total of 2GB
From which in os 1.4 and before about 1.8 GB was available to the user..

The Spansion S34ML08G2 8-Gb NAND device is Open NAND Flash Interface (ONFI) 1.0 compliant. The S34ML08G2 device is a dual-die stack of two S34ML04G2 die.

I can see hoe non techheads have a hard time what the quoted information from PJ's site actually means..

So basically we are back again where we started.
There is 2GB physicall memmory in the Genos..
Meaning that to get 3GB of memmory, it requires (lossless compression)

We also know that Yamaha's packs allready came in a lossless compression format
So this would probably mean that in Genos 2.0 yamaha's own packs will be 50% bigger in size..
Which as Eilleen indicated makes this something that is good for people that use big 3rd party expansion packs,
like the CMS grand piano packs, or the incredible KApro packs

[overover]

Hi folks,

here is some clarification about the size of the physical Wave Flash memory inside the Genos:

There is 2 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of the Factory Voices (the two ICs 607 and 610, 1 GB each) at the Master Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 400).

And there is 4 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of Expansion Voices (the four ICs 601, 603, 605 and 606, 1 GB each) at the Slave Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 600).

Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...


Best regards,
Chris

[Joe H]

Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave Data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...
Best regards,
Chris

They are probably saving it for the next GENOS 2 keyboard.

Joe H

[valimaties]

Thanks Bachus for clarifying ... I quite read it in a fast way and I said a wrong thing about it.... sorry for that! I saw "8" and I did not take care about bit and not byte

Best regards,
Vali

[metcam]

They are probably saving it for the next GENOS 2 keyboard.

Joe H

Perhaps for V 3.0 for this Genos  .....    


Regards

[jo mustafa]

Perhaps for V 3.0 for this Genos  .....    


Regards

New Korg aranger....?

[pjd]

Folks, the discussion of expansion memory is getting on the nerves of other Forum members.

So, I'm starting a thread in the Yamaha General,section of the Forum. I also posted internal design info on my site http://sandsoftwaresound.net/

The discussion here really should focus on new features in V2.0 of interest to the broader member community.

Thanks -- pj

[Bachus]

Hi folks,

here is some clarification about the size of the physical Wave Flash memory inside the Genos:

There is 2 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of the Factory Voices (the two ICs 607 and 610, 1 GB each) at the Master Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 400).

And there is 4 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of Expansion Voices (the four ICs 601, 603, 605 and 606, 1 GB each) at the Slave Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 600).

Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...


Best regards,
Chris

Maybe they are allready using this for other things?

Interesting information. I allways asumed both these where 2GB in size..

On the montage there is 8GB available.. which holds both the factory as well as the user sounds..
They have the same structure, but the seccond engine is used for FMX only..
The restrictions on the modx are only software..

Which brings me to my next question?
Why does Yamaha limit things by software at all?


But again, great info, seems we dont have to rely on compression if this is true..
To me this was new info, may i ask for a resource?

[Joe H]

It's a shame Yamaha canned it's Modular Synthesis Plug-In System. It would be great to install these boards in an arranger keyboard to add the VL, AN and FM synthesizers, or new drum kits... or just more polyphony (add additional 128 notes). I would think that Yamaha could design a generic (memory) plug-in card that we could load more expansion packs.

Joe H

[Bachus]

It's a shame Yamaha canned it's Modular Synthesis Plug-In System. It would be great to install these boards in an arranger keyboard to add the VL, AN and FM synthesizers, or new drum kits... or just more polyphony (add additional 128 notes). I would think that Yamaha could design a generic (memory) plug-in card that we could load more expansion packs.

Joe H

They should be recreating that in software.. there allready is an ipad FM app..
A good host with support for AUv3.. and the yamaha synth engines..
And then implementing them in the same way as the yammex..
Audio over usb would be perfect for a solution like this

[DerekA]

Dexed is a free get that runs on the cheapest laptops.it would not be difficult or expensive to add something to genos to run vst. Imagine how good that would be!

[Joe H]

They should be recreating that in software..

The problem I see with that is there is a limit to the hardware memory.  Where as adding hardware cards would expand the capability or capacity of the keyboard existing hardware.

I guess the other option is creating a keyboard with really HUGE memory; then they could offer soft-synths as add-ons.  Even if we had to pay for those soft synths it would be worth it.

How about adding a Breath Controller input as well like on the DX7 and VL keyboards and sound module.

Joe H

[Bachus]

The problem I see with that is there is a limit to the hardware memory.  Where as adding hardware cards would expand the capability or capacity of the keyboard existing hardware.

I guess the other option is creating a keyboard with really HUGE memory; then they could offer soft-synths as add-ons.  Even if we had to pay for those soft synths it would be worth it.

How about adding a Breath Controller input as well like on the DX7 and VL keyboards and sound module.

Joe H

Every investment in hardware is a costdriver which could rocket the price into the sky..
Memmory espescially huge amounts, is allready themost expensive part of these keyboards..
And i don't expect any huge steps or pricedrops any time soon..

[tolica78]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jmNfEX0rX8

[jugge]

Found a couple of more videos about the upcoming 2.0 release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeG5ZHsdH94&t=32s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCwpXF14k0

/Jugge