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[Roger Brenizer]

I rotated the image for you, Pam. 

[keyplayer]

thanks Roger, its the correct way in the file on my laptop so I don't know why that happened.
Pam

[DerekA]

V-Console is clever, but you know it's just using the Song parts to create multiple voice layers, although it's also filtering out note events to allow each part to cover a custom range of notes.

You can do the same thing yourself with a cable going from MIDI OUT to MIDI IN, except for the note ranges.

But I don't doubt for a second that V-Console makes this extremely easy and user-friendly, which is what justifies its price.

[Pino]

This is not a discussion about tuning a midi file to play on your keyboard, there is no mention of midi files in any of the posts.

The art of the game is to play the keyboard using styles only and getting the best big band or orchestral sounds without any additional pre-recorded tracks.

https://youtu.be/cwxySiCE7n4

Pino

[panos]

As long as the sound is not edited Pino and what we watch is really what we hear
Anyway, for commercial reasons edited videos are allowed I suppose.

It would be nice to see a video of what a player is doing while we can also see what the tablet screen is doing se we can understand better how these two work together.

And how comfortable or not it is for playing along.

Nice recording Genos!
Is just the sound is too loud.You may have nice speakers and you can hear more clearly the sounds but on the normal mediocre quality of mine,a recording with too much loudness is not a good thing at all in any case.

[tyrosman]

Hello John,
  You have to understand what this programme actually dose before condemning it. I have several friends who love it. You  don't have to buy the tablet if you don't need it John Beasley will supply just the programme.
  If you are into organ settings then this is a programme that will let you use more than one sound on the left and more than three on the right. I believe it comes with a lot of settings ready to use plus of course you can create your own. I would say this is mainly for people who are players that love to just sit and play as we all did in the days of organs. None of this fancy DAW stuff to boost everything and put right mistakes in playing. You just got on with it and enjoyed every minute.

very True Eileen I have heard the same and im thinking a bout it now

[jwyvern]

Just don't understand why 80% of members here only want to talk about how good their "fishing rods" are and never have we seen the "fish" they catch, I would love to hear some songs recorded on your brilliant set-up.
If I have an exciting new module or found and exciting new sound I would record it and post it here so others can hear. Recording is so easy, one button push.
We are musicians first, aren't we? I would love to hear some songs from that set-up.

So, come on guys, there must be someone out there that has recorded some songs using this system.

Anyone 🤔
Pino.

I thought I'd respond to Pino by posting a link to a recording I made with the help of VConsole, which was prompted by his plea.
If we are musicians (I'm not sure that is first for me!) some of us can enjoy our music through a quest for emulating the sounds we like to hear, exploring harmonies and chord structure and actually playing the music at various levels to experience the results. Not all of us feel the priority has to be to record, although sometimes it might be desirable as a "Demonstration". And it's not always a 1 button press to record especially as complexity increases.
Generally in my case if I want to hear something again I'll just play it again, but it will probably come out differently from the first time I played it and I'll be less critical on myself if I'm not recording  .

Here is the link,

https://app.box.com/s/yjt5n6hnuq7fv5bkscf5yd5x75sjrxe3

It is based on Waltz2 by Shostakovich having got the detail by listening to a YouTube download (it is often played on UK radio).
It is a cheerful and uplifting Viennese Waltz especially for these times!
Amply supported by Yamaha's excellent Preset Style, which drives the Orchestra on steroids. (You can use similar voice combinations in suitable 4/4 styles to emulate "Boston Pops" treatments of other songs with or without VConsole eg. such as Sleigh Ride ).

You can't record to midi when using VConsole, so I recorded straight to Audio but used Audacity on PC as I find Yamaha's audio recorder totally unfriendly for this type of work. No overdubbing was needed to to build up layers so the player knows straightaway (like the orchestra conductor) if it is sounding rubbish or not  .

The mixes in the registrations are optimised for my setup using Yamaha HS8 speakers so listening quality should be better if you can use your main speakers. I know with PC or Tablet speakers this type of music can sound erm wanting!

John

[Lee Batchelor]

Nice job, John!

You picked a difficult song and style for that song. That particular waltz "anticipates" the second and third beat of the 3/4 time, which can be intimidating when trying to keep the rest of the instruments in time. Too bad you can't import the MIDI parts to a DAW. It would help with the timing and also give you far more control on the end product such as effects, compression, and stereo panning.

I played your score through my Yamaha HS8 speakers and it sounds great! The Genos speakers would not come close to the sound.

[jwyvern]

Hi Lee, thanks for commenting, it's often difficult to judge whether the mixing used to get a good sound in my own music room actually works for others - or not.

Rightly or wrongly I don't work to the idea that when recording you make nearly all your mix changes after recording. Whenever I make registrations I try to ensure Eq's, DSP's, pan, touch and other settings are gradually optimised during the practice sessions until they sound "right". So the theory is I don't need to do a midi recording first to adjust the mix because it "should" be done already. 

John

[Lee Batchelor]

Yes, that can work too, John. It's a little tricky but you've become good at it. After all, it's the final product that counts. How you get there doesn't matter .

[Pino]

Hello John

Thanks for your PM
I have to tell you that I did not come back to this post because I lost interest in V-Consol, after a lot of research here, on other sites and YouTube, I decide that it was not money well spent for my needs.

At the time I was searching for a way to get a better violin and clarinet for my PSR and SX, since, I have studied sampling and have been able to sample my Ketron module voices and now able to play on my SX, my next move will be to audition some of the excellent soundfonts that's available.

Your recording sounded first class, couldn't wish for more.
But, my question would be, how much better is the finished song,
If you were to record on just the Genos, 10% better,?
Genos has some really good voices.

It sounds like a great addition to a home studio.

Thanks for your upload, good playing and voicing.

Pino

[jwyvern]

Hi Pino, thanks for coming back so promptly.
VC does not have voices of its own, it uses the keyboard's samples plus optionally any expansion voices you may have installed to the KB (Genos in my case) and they are all editable in various ways, some similar to Genos' Voice Set, others with differing detail. So what you hear are "Genos" layered voices (up to 12 of them if you choose, the 8 VC ones brought on or off with virtual tabs) deployed in various ways.  For each VC channel you can choose to assign it to the RH or LH or a precise range of notes, or velocity range, and there are also "couplers" meaning you can choose to sound not only the note for each voice, but also an octave above or below, or both.
For me:
the ability to layer more than 1 LH voice is a particular strength. If you listen to real BigBands you will often hear a strong interplay between the melody and accomp sections. On an arranger where left voice is often ignored or at least drowned out it is difficult to set up the presence needed with just the one. Layering gives options for a wider sound that cuts through, with variation possible eg.  muted trumpets coming in only when needed via velocity control. To optimise the player of course also needs to have the "ear" to be able to fit appropriate voicings in this way.
Similarly orchestras can be divided into Left and Right, with the Left supporting or contrasting the main theme (rather than getting lost within it as often happens if limited to a single LH string voice.)
So there are plenty of voice channels to go around and even playing Ensemble fashion can include a full complement of L and R voices rather than being limited to "cut down" versions on the basic arranger.
It does need work to get the best from it. Just adding more voices might result in being louder, but to get quality and realism requires a lot of thought, trial and error and time which is fine  by me since the challenge and playing go together. It may not suit musicians who are dedicated to playing to audiences, are already being well received by them and are not interested in spending extra time on tech issues.
So, is it 10 percent better? Depends what we are attempting. With solos or small nos. of voices it doesn't make much difference unless you are taking advantage of using more than 1 left voice. Should sound more comprehensive then if played appropriately.
Taking my recording,  when setting up the orchestral voices they have up to 3 LH voices, and cut through the mix well when needed at higher velocities, and up to 6 RH voices (including Genos). As well as the base voices for strings a choir voice is there just below the surface to allude to the singing occasionally heard on the Youtube original I based it on. Plus a pizzicato voice which allowed the orchestra to go more "plucky" when I felt like it via velocity! So compared with using Genos alone the playing  was sounding "better" to me as I played live and I hope it would be evident in any recording comparison too although it remains subjective because what would you choose to compare it with?

If you haven't seen it already and want to listen to the ultimate in VC recording and  playing performance given by the developer please see the following link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGz4K4rLJOQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0uSnkLMTn4h9pvheNoH3KSHIShPH41DxPGUQI9E5sE6nqIZ8B4aYQzwE0


Regards John

[Pino]

John
I had plans to update my gig playlist and do lots of music in these lockdown times but it hasn't worked out that way, I have a young family, my youngest is a 6 year old girl , they get bored and need extra love and attention these days so excuse my previous reply, My musical cap has not been on the past few weeks and the posting regarding the v-console seem like 12 months ago now.
Many changes to our lives since then.

My mix-up, I was looking at 2 products at that time. 
'V-console' and 'Yammex' module.

V-console
I decided that I was not going to gain much by using this app in my gig setup and would have to carry more gear, setting the 'harmony' feature up with R1 R2 R3 probably does what I need.
I watched the video from John Beesley, I could never play that good or even want to play that style of music so no point go any further with that, I play some BB and Orch, 80% MoR, ballads, pops - guitar, Sax, piano, bass, drums etc on top of the excellent Yamaha styles available to us on our keyboards.

Yammex - 600+ voices
Good product, some really cool voices but I already have most of the voices covered in my SX900, just wanted a better violin and Clarinet, now I already have this sorted by sampling,

John,
Could you put up another song here using the Genos and the v-console, maybe a popular song, I'll try to reproduce it on my SX900, not as competition but just as a comparison,
The SX costs 60% less than the Genos but maybe it's 70% as good,
I'll use the harmony function with the R1-R2-R3 to try and get close to your version with the v-console.

Take care and be safe

Pino

[jwyvern]

Pino,
Quite understandable that keyboarding has to take a back seat from time to time especially where children are involved . I am past the time of having had young children but nevertheless there are plenty of other things to compete for attention even in our (country-side) lock down.
I play mainly for my own amusement, dipping in and out of various songs as they spring to mind. Often ideas for different arrangements or voice setups also come to mind and I will experiment with those too or where it becomes more complex (as it often IS with the extra channels of VC), work on it over a period as a project.  Most players who are more disciplined in their approach to music and particularly who play out to entertain others are unlikely IMO to go for the extra expense and technical commitment. We are all in a differing headspace.
At present I do not have any recorded songs meeting your spec. just the Viennese Waltz I produced to post here after your request.
I play BBand songs so will work towards producing a Genos / VC recording although it won"t be immediate (other things interfere, seems familiar?). Bear in mind the keyboard alone is pretty good at producing even Ensemble sounds with the limited no. of voices available so the VC opportunities to demonstrate significant improvements will vary depending on the actual details and choice of genre. (That's why I chose to record the previous fully orchestrated Waltz as a special because it was a "better Demo" for use of VC just as John Beesley probably thought the Planets were for him!)
With say BBand any differences noted are just as likely to be due to quality of voices (Genos vs. SX 900) as any VC vs non VC effects.

Regards, John