Cubase 10 bargain

[jugge]

To make things a bit easier, at least we can create a MIDI template on the Genos with all the settings needed to record to Cubase. And we can also create a template in Cubase with all channels needed for recording a style pre-populated.
Still not optimal but at least we don't need to change all settings in Genos and Cubase everytime we want to record a style or editing midi in Cubase.
Here are some more links that explain this process.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFu_Ac5213I
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeh_RlhNg

[Lee Batchelor]

Michael, no one is debating that recording on the Genos is easiest. It's when you want to change a track or re-record some tracks that things get very complicated. Yes, you can overdub or re-record right on the Genos, but it is awkward - mainly due to the way Yamaha designs their OS. The workflow in a dedicated DAW is far more desirable. As John pointed out, you need to treat the Genos recording differently than traditional VST or hard synth recording. In the latter two, after you have a template built, it's fairly straight forward. Not always with the Genos.

[Dromeus]

You're right, Lee, editing a MIDI recording is no fun at the Genos. Save it as a MIDI file and use your preferred DAW to do that. But by any means, when you're recording a style/multi-pad performance, start with the onboard sequencer. It does insert all those initial programs, controllers and DSP sy***es, that you really don't want to fiddle around even when you're a close friend to the MIDI event world. Recall that in Cubase (or any other DAW) there is no built in support for this. There is no support for Genos, Tyros, PSR, not even XG.

BTW Yamaha's synth department follows the same strategy. When you're targeting at recording a multitrack performance using ARPs, Yamaha's BadMister always advocates to record the performance with the builtin sequencer as a start, and continue editing using a DAW.

If you're multitracking from scratch (no usage of styles etc), you could start recording in your DAW right away, but again, I would setup voices/DSP etc at the Genos. Similar to what Yamaha recommends for the MODX here:

https://www.yamahasynth.com/modx-category/mastering-modx-midi-record-on-daw

Of course it would be nice to have a VST that allows you to do this setup, so you could configure everything in your DAW and save this with your project. I think, chances are good that we will see this for the MODX/Montage, because you could do just this in the Motif line of synths. For me it is hard to believe that Yamaha will deliver something similar for their arrangers. As long as Yamaha had abandoned XG Works (two decades or so) users have not stopped requesting tools for easy DAW MIDI recording using Tyros. Even after aquiring Steinberg nothing happened. Let's face it, it will just not happen. It's an economical descision. The vast majority of Genos owners won't even touch a DAW.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
For the Genos midi side sequencer first, then daw editing, then back to Genos for enhancements. Record on the Genos to wave

For serious cubase work us VST's

[Lee Batchelor]

Great explanation, Michael!

Too bad Yamaha doesn't see a higher-end use for its Genos players. The Genos is flogged as a pro-level keyboard, and yet the recording side is heavily restricted to the amateur level. If they can make it work seamlessly inside the Genos, they can do the same outside the Genos with a simple config file for Cubase. But there's that profit thing again...make us pay a small fee for the magic config file!! I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[jugge]

We should raise money and buy a Genos for BadMister. Then just wait for the tutorials
I have owned several Yamaha keyboards over the years (started with a DX7 about 33 years ago), but the Genos is by far the best keyboard I've owned. If Yamaha could just fix a smoother integration with Cubase, nothing would beat this beast.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

We should raise money and buy a Genos for BadMister. Then just wait for the tutorials
I have owned several Yamaha keyboards over the years (started with a DX7 about 33 years ago), but the Genos is by far the best keyboard I've owned. If Yamaha could just fix a smoother integration with Cubase, nothing would beat this beast.

100% with you there!!

All the Best
John

[Lee Batchelor]

Bad Mister probably has one !

[Tyros5Mad]

Yes, the Genos have really fantastic sounds (the best I have heard in a workstation) and it should be enough most of the time. The reason for me to use Cubase would rather be for the editing possibility's.
What do you think about the following method? It should work as long as you have an external audio interface and wouldn't involve connecting audio cables from the Genos to the DAW.

1. Record and editing the MIDI data on either Genos or in Cubase.
2. Record the MIDI data to a wave file in Genos.
3. Import the wave file in Cubase and add Vocal tracks, VSTi's etc.
4. Mixdown the audio tracks to a single wave file in Cubase
5. Optional you could import the wave file back to Genos and add the vocal track there instead

Best regards
/Jorgen

This is pretty much what I do as well.
The only differences are:
1. I use my Midi Maker software to make the initial midi file with lyrics.
2. I record the midi file by playing the Midi Maker file to the keyboard, while playing extra parts on the keyboard.
3. I export the lyrics from Midi Maker and import them into the recorded midi file to make a complete backing track.
4. I play the backing track on the Keyboard and sing the song while recording a wav file on my mixer, which has a built-in recorder. I do this because I use an external voice processor not the keyboard VH. I also get a separate audio track for each channel by using the mixer recorder.
5. I use Cakewalk by Bandlab (Sonar) or Audacity to clean up the audio recording and add some effects if I need to.

Regards,
Richard