Looking for 'empty' style.

[jsb1999]

At one time a believe an 'empty' style was posted which fails to load and leaves the current style unchanged but still triggers the variation specified in the registration. It looks like a lot of the older posts are no longer available on the forum. Does anyone have this style file?

[Fred Smith]

At one time a believe an 'empty' style was posted which fails to load and leaves the current style unchanged but still triggers the variation specified in the registration. It looks like a lot of the older posts are no longer available on the forum. Does anyone have this style file?

What was posted was how to do it, not an actual registration. So just create your own.

Rename any style. Memorize your registration with that style. Rename your style back to what it was. Now you have the registration you wNted.

Note that anything to do with the actual style (variation, fill, etc) won't be set by this registration. What will be set us other parts of the Style group, like Left Voice and Split Point.

Hope this helps,
Fred

[Joe H]

Another way to do it is to save a registration with a certain style temporarily located on the User Drive or USB drive.  After saving the registration, delete the style so the registration can't find it.  That way the current style will remain but all other settings save in the registration will change.

Joe H

[jsb1999]

Unfortunately these 'style not found' type solutions do not allow the registration to change the style variation or fill. The solution as I recall it was a style which contained some sort of 'error' which prevented the keyboard from loading the style, however the variation specified in the registration had already been applied.

On a related note: is there a place to retrieve older posts on this forum, I can only see post dating back to last December.

[Joe H]

Well then,  just save the same style (or the one you want) to each registration and it will function correctly.



Joe H

[Fred Smith]

Unfortunately these 'style not found' type solutions do not allow the registration to change the style variation or fill. The solution as I recall it was a style which contained some sort of 'error' which prevented the keyboard from loading the style, however the variation specified in the registration had already been applied.

If you want to change a variation or fill, you want to do it on a certain style. So just put that style in your registration. You don't need the 'style not found' trick to change a variation.

Fred

[jsb1999]

What I am trying to create is a one registration set with voices, variations, and multi pads designed for Intro, Verse, PreChorus, Chorus, Verse 2, Bridge, etc. with which I can then audition various styles while all the other parameters will already be set - without having to re-save every registration to change styles. In order to do this I need a way to change registrations (verse registration to chorus registration, for example) without changing the style but with the variation change. I believe the information that was posted sometime in the past allowed this functionality. I realize that something similar can be accomplished with the freeze function, but this also prevents variation changes.

[Joe H]

If I understand your issue... I think you can just select the Section you want and then save it to a registration.  When you select each registration button it will then select the style Section you want and all the other settings of DSPs, OTS, Multi Pads, etc.

Joe H

[jsb1999]

Simply put, I would like a registration to change the Variation/Section without changing the Style (whatever it currently happens to be). Imagine if the Registration Memory page had separate checkboxes for Style and Section/Variation, instead of both being include under Style. (IMHO this would be a useful addition)  Im my case, I would check the Section/Variation box but not the Style box when I created my registration.

[Fred Smith]

Simply put, I would like a registration to change the Variation/Section without changing the Style (whatever it currently happens to be).

Can't be done.

[Joe H]

Simply put, I would like a registration to change the Variation/Section without changing the Style (whatever it currently happens to be). Imagine if the Registration Memory page had separate checkboxes for Style and Section/Variation, instead of both being include under Style. (IMHO this would be a useful addition)  Im my case, I would check the Section/Variation box but not the Style box when I created my registration.

It can be done.  I do this all the time.  Select a Section then memorize it to a registration.  Select another Section and memorize it to a different registration.

I just did a test.

Reg 1 = Main A
Reg 2 = Main B
Reg 3 = Main C
Reg 4 = Main D
Reg 5 = Ending 3

Joe H

[Fred Smith]

It can be done.  I do this all the time.  Select a Section then memorize it to a registration.  Select another Section and memorize it to a different registration.

I just did a test.

Reg 1 = Main A
Reg 2 = Main B
Reg 3 = Main C
Reg 4 = Main D
Reg 5 = Ending 3

Joe H

Yes, Joe. We all do that all the time.

But the OP wants those changes to be applied to a style he has manually loaded. He doesn't want the registration to change the style -- just the variation. That's what can't be done.

Fred

[SeaGtGruff]

There's a Yamaha Sy*** message that can change the section of the current style. Would it be possible to program the Multi Pads with messages to change the Style's variations? I guess that's an extra step-- recall the desired Registration, then select a given Multi Pad.

[jsb1999]

If the MultiPad Sy*** works it could be triggered automatically by selecting the registration.
I am recalling however, an older thread where someone had created a style with certain data elements missing. When the registration tried to load the style, the keyboard would stop loading the style, but the section change would be applied.  If I'm not mistaken, someone else then chimed in with a style which provided an even better (safer) solution.

[Joe H]

Yes, Joe. We all do that all the time.

But the OP wants those changes to be applied to a style he has manually loaded. He doesn't want the registration to change the style -- just the variation. That's what can't be done.

Fred

Sorry, I'm just not getting the concept. I thought I described what he wants.  Same style saved in a registration bank that will change the Variation Sections only.  But that's not much different than just pressing the Style Control buttons ... is it? (except that you can control the registration sequence with a foot pedal)



Joe H

[Joe H]

At one time a believe an 'empty' style was posted which fails to load and leaves the current style unchanged but still triggers the variation specified in the registration...

I see you have mentioned using registrations to change the style variation.  So I'm a bit confused as to what it is you are trying to accomplish 

Michael, you  cannot write a Style Control sy*** string in a multi Pad.  I believe it would have to be sent via MIDI from the computer or hardware controller.

Joe H

[SeaGtGruff]

Michael, you  cannot write a Style Control sy*** string in a multi Pad.

OKay, I wasn't sure what can and can't be saved to a Multi Pad.

I agree, the Style variation can easily be changed with the panel controls, so we need a clearer understanding of what the end goal is. Or, as my old boss used to say whenever someone would ask him "Can I do XYZ in your software"-- "Why would you want to do that," meaning what goal would you be trying to accomplish by doing that?

[jsb1999]

I suppose what is not intuitive about my request is that I want the registration to not change the style regardless of what it currently is. In other words, I want the registration to apply its voices, MultiPads, etc. and most problematically Section/Variation without knowing what the current style is and without changing it.

Why? I am trying to create one registration set with voices, variations, and multi pads designed for Intro, Verse, PreChorus, Chorus, Verse 2, Bridge, etc. with which I can then audition various styles while all the other parameters will already be set - without having to re-save every registration to change styles. In order to do this I need a way to change registrations (verse registration to chorus registration, for example) without changing the style but with the variation change.

[Joe H]

OK<

I now get what you are wanting to do.  I agree with Fred... It can't be done!

I believe what you are remembering in some previous post is how to change Voices without changing the current style. 

Joe H