Why Have I Not Bought A Genos Yet.

[Pianoman]

Hello Mark.

I am very happy that you are a Genos owner, and would like to
take this opportunity to offer you my heartfelt congratulations.

I too am a  proud YAMAHA player, and a member of this wonderful forum.

Most people here are open minded and accept diverse points of view.
Even dissenting ones, when presented respectfully.

I totally agree with you that the Genos is a formidable instrument.

Please note that my thread is only about Genos prices coming down,
and my take on what the possible reasons could be.

If you would care to carefully re-read this thread, you will see that
I have not judged the Genos in any way.

Nor advised anyone not to buy one.
Nor have I bashed the Genos in any way either.

I did mention crashing, hanging and freezing,
but that is in reference to a thread from Tankdave
on this very forum.

Others too have mentioned phenomenon.

I believe the thread is still there, may you wish to read it.

All I have done is point out that the Genos is getting cheaper to buy.

In fact it may even encourage those who don't have a Genos to get one.
Now that it's cheaper, by almost 1000€.

I was pleasantly surprised to see that the prices are falling, because I
too intend to buy one, when the price goes down further.
And it will.


Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[Bill]

Here we Go AGAIN.

Bill

[Toril S]

Hello Abby! So your son is going to Norway? I am sure he will like it here. And I think it is wise to wait with the Genos. Prices always drop. AND, you really don't need a Genos, you are FANTASTIC with your Tyros!!

[Pianoman]

Thank you Toril.
My son is with his Norwegian girlfriend, in a small town called Oppdal.
About 90 minutes from Trondheim.

My wife's mother is also Norwegian, from Haugesund.

I may come to visit Norway myself in November of this year.
To see my son.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Gunnar Jonny]

Here we Go AGAIN.

Am I wrong if I say I do remember a songtitle like this performed by Ray Charles? 

[markstyles]

Someone made an excellent point, if they released the Genos in the Tyros enclosure, and called it Tyros 6, peoples reaction might have been different.  The Tyros line built up a solid reputation.  Each model was an improvement.. The psychology of a brand name is significant.  I can understand Yamaha's dilemma, over the Genos.  To me, certainly their teaser videos, reminded me of film companies philosophy for a bad movie.. Spend a lot on advertising, make the ad look real appetizing, And hope enough people see it opening week, cause attendence will drop drastically once reviews get out. I am not saying anything bad about the Genos.

I bought a Genos from the first batch that hit the East Coast of US.  It took some getting used to.. Yes things are different in some areas, other aspects are the same as Tyros.
Actually it's improvement is comparable to the each new model of Tyros line.  Upgrades, but nothing drastic. As I use the Genos more, I am finding more I like about it. I think it's the emotional aspect of saying goodbye to the Tyros line, and hello to the Genos line.

And the bottom line is, things have changed, get used to it.

[Toril S]

Hello Abby ) Then there is a chance that we might see each other! Send me a message if you come to Trondheim And have a nice rehearsing and working season Remember to take care of yourself! A musician's work is much more physical than people think.

[Pianoman]

I think Pianoman you are trying to talk yourself out of buying Genos. If you are happy with T3 and it fills your needs then stick with it, perhaps you don't require a keyboard to be any better.

I for one like to keep up to date with the latest technology, and pleased I have.
Graham

Quite the contrary Graham.

I intend to get a Genos, when the price hits 3200€.

It has come down from 4499€ to 3553€ last week.
That's 946€ less than what it was 8 weeks ago.

We'll see where the price is, a month from now.

I'm also keeping an eye on the forum to see if the
upcoming updates will resolve the issues
that many other members (not me) have brought up.

Please allow me to congratulate you on keeping up
to date with the latest technology.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[Pianoman]

Hello Abby ) Then there is a chance that we might see each other! Send me a message if you come to Trondheim And have a nice rehearsing and working season Remember to take care of yourself! A musician's work is much more physical than people think.

I will definitely send you a message Toril, and also take care.👍👍
And you're right, a gigging musician's work can be very physical.

I move 185 Kg of equipment twice for each gig that I play.
Once for transporting and setting up, then taking it away for the next gig.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Robert van Weersch]

Abby, which shop offers the Genos for EUR 3553? Here, in NL, the lowest I can find is EUR 3975.

[Pianoman]

Hello Robert.

I had to crop the screenshots above
to be able to upload them here.
As a result, I cut out the dealer's name.

I also assumed that we are not allowed to post names of
commercial establishments here.

One of the screenshots was of Thomann.
I am scanning the web again  to find the other one.

In the meantime I have found this.

http://www.alfasoni.com/productos.asp?tipo=n&a=Pianos%20-%20Teclados&p=Teclados&h=Teclados&n=Teclados%20de%20Acompanamiento&mn=si&titulo=Teclados%20de%20Acompanamiento


The price is slightly higher (3765€) than the price of the other shop,
but still a good price.

It will probably cost you less when importing to Holland,
since Holland has a lower VAT rate than here.

There are more dealers with good prices. But it requires a patient search of the web.

I will post the other name as soon as I find it again.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Robert van Weersch]

Thanks. I'm gonna see if it is worthwhile to buy it in another country and let it ship here. My usual dealer (which is a really good one), sells the Genos for EUR 4600, which is simply too much. If the difference was smaller, I would be willing to pay a little extra, but almost EUR 1000 is way too much.

[Pianoman]

Hello again Robert.

There are also dealers in France who have great Prices.
It takes a bit of patience,  maybe 30 minutes of searching,
to find a good deal.

I'm getting ready to go out fof a job interview now.
I will resume my search when I get back.

Best Regards.
Abby.

PS: Most of these dealers include free shipping for orders above 200€.
I know that Thomann does. I buy a lot from.them.

[gdc]

I got my Genos here in Canada back in December and I love it. Played my first gig with it last weekend and it was great. I have not had any bugs or problems with it that weren't of my own making and, yes, it took a bit of time to get used to the new way of doing things. But, all is good now. The voices and styles are vastly improved over the T5 (which I owned) and I find myself playing the Genos every day just to enjoy what I'm hearing. There is an amazing clarity that wasn't there in the T line and I owned them all except the original T1. I don't regret buying the Genos and look forward to many years of fun with it.
Graeme

[DonM]

Guys and girls, I seriously doubt Yamaha has or will change prices until they are ready for a new model to be released.  The drops you are seeing most likely represent the margin the dealers are ready to accept.
As long as people happily pay the advertised price, it will not drop.   When sales drop, the dealers are willing to accept a smaller profit margin. 
We have a couple of dealers here in the U.S. that will sell immediately for a lot lower margin.  Another factor that will affect the price is the ever changing exchange rate between countries.

[Toril S]

Yes, I experienced that when I first looked at my S970 in july. Then it was 16000 NOK. I waited till september, and it had gone up to 18600 NOK. So I was a little mad at myself for waiting, but who can guess these ups and downs.

[1-man-band-berlin]

With Tyros 2 and 3 it was risky to use Custom and Premium voices, because these ones extends the boot time or when you interrupt the loading, the registrations miss sounds. So it was a big problem, when the keyboard crashes or accidentally someone unplugged electricity. How tell I the audience, that my keyboard needs 20 minutes to be ready?
With Tyros 4 this problem was fixed, a Tyros 3 instead is maybe something for people, who are pleased with factory and user sounds only.
Genos' advantages aren't advantages for everyone. But as owner of a PSR S970 and pretty disappointed, how Yamaha did the Audio Style feature and missing the good SA2 voices and able to use the features, a Genos would enhance my music.

[sugarplumsss]

I have yet to see or test a Genos here.

1: Dealers will not bring them over without a commitment to buy one, sight unseen, and paying a deposit in advance.
In case of no deal, some cash may be deducted, for costs and trouble incurred for bringing the instrument over.

2: Genos prices are tumbling here, and I feel that if I wait long enough, they may tumble even further, down to something acceptable.

So far, they have come down from 4499€ to 3553€.
That's a saving of 946€.

3: When the T4 was launched, I didn't see much difference from my T3, especially with the styles, so I waited.

Then came the T5, the styles were still the same, so I waited.

Now it's the Genos, and the styles are still the same.....again.

4: An unforeseen family expenditure came up.

5: After reading about the countless problems with the Genos on this very forum, especially with the Genos crashing, freezing or hanging, I will wait until these, and other problems that have yet to be identified here, are remedied.

6: I am a patient man, Genos prices will fall even further.
When I first predicted in November that Genos prices will tumble, my argument, naturally, was hotly contested.

Used Genoses are slowly beginning to appear on second hand websites.
Being sold by those whose expectations have not been fully met.

So I will wait, even a year if I have to.
In the meantime I will make my T3 sing like a Nightingale whenever it's required to.

When I do acquire a Genos, it will not be as a status symbol, but as a work tool.
No more, and no less.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

Two things, Are an admirer of old, outmoded, Shakespeare?  "Why Have I Not Bought A Genos Yet. let me count the ways"

Just how ready for primetime IS the Genos, anyway? I am reading of bugs, and wondering if it is ready for a full time pro musician? I cannot tolerate PC based gear break downs.

[pjd]

Just how ready for primetime IS the Genos, anyway? I am reading of bugs, and wondering if it is ready for a full time pro musician? I cannot tolerate PC based gear break downs.

Hi --

I'm with you. I'm a church musician and tried Mainstage. Twice I had to restart Mainstage. Unacceptable. When the service or celebrant hits a spot where I need to play, I need to play.

After working with Genos for two months, I'm ready to take it to the gig without concerns. Other folks have different requirements and may have a different opinion. That's OK -- all opinions respected.

All the best -- pj