What is NEW in GENOS

[Tommy 73]

Closer for Bachus still missing drawmer 1973

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[Tommy 73]

Could have guessed, a Roland masterkey for comtrolling the integra?

Nice setup Tommy..

Roland+korg+yamaha gives you the whole soundpallette..

I sold my integra not to long ago...

Thanks Bachus just a little fun with Joe there ...joe any time your welcome ... now back to Genos.....

[Joe H]

I have to say Tommy 73,

You are the first person on this forum to sport a studio better than mine!

      

Joe H
(can only give mine two      )

[Tommy 73]

I have to say Tommy 73,

You are the first person on this forum to sport a studio better than mine!

      

Joe H
(can only give mine two      )

Thanks Joe ...but you have not had the pleasure of me playing ...we are on the 4th set of new neighbours this year (!)  and I have a feeling the Genos could make me single again 

[Joe H]

Thanks Joe ...but you have not had the pleasure of me playing ...we are on the 4th set of new neighbours this year (!)  and I have a feeling the Genos could make me single again 

It's hard to tell... but it just might that Pink Floyd could be a problem too!



Joe H

[pjd]

Of course this is speculating: this is what we are doing here all the time.

Hi Kari --

Thanks for the post. It's nice to hear from someone who is interested in the circuit level. 

I've crawled through the schematics of the Montage and and the Yamaha patents covering the memory interface, etc. for the tone generator. http://sandsoftwaresound.net/montage-hardware-platform/ and http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/

So, yeah, I'm already familiar with ONFI.   

There are two very different purposes for the internal drive (maybe it's an SSD, maybe not) and the waveform memory. The waveform memory directly feeds the SWP70 through a dedicated communication bus, ONFI compatible. The TG actually gets its incredible memory bandwidth through its dedicated wave working memory (SDRAM) which better supports random access than NAND flash.

The internal drive holds styles, MIDI song files, etc. and communicates with the host (control) computer (i.e., an ARM processor in the Montage, who knows what in the Genos.)

Yamaha has used (roughly) this architecture in every high-end Motif/Montage synth and every Tyros.

Of course, we're all welcome to design our own synthesizers.    I'm just holding back my own speculation on what's inside Genos until I can see the Genos service manual.

Hope this helps our discussion -- pj

[Tommy 73]

It's hard to tell... but it just might that Pink Floyd could be a problem too!



Joe H

i will let are freind who worked nights in the old rover factory deal with this one ..lol

[pjd]

Closer for Bachus still missing drawmer 1973

Nice studio, Tommy! If I posted a picture of my room, you wouldn't see the keyboards for all of the paper laying around. 

-- pj

[Tommy 73]

Nice studio, Tommy! If I posted a picture of my room, you wouldn't see the keyboards for all of the paper laying around. 

-- pj

Are yes but you are our very own Einstein of technology that's what all that paper is telling me... or is it the tax returns 

[pjd]

Are yes but you are Einstein of technology that's what all that paper is telling me... or is it the tax returns 

Music -- lines and dots! I've never been able to memorize very well. My teacher was always sad. 

Have a good weekend, everyone -- pj

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

i will let are freind who worked nights in the old rover factory deal with this one ..lol

"THE TROUBLE IS THE HUMANS"

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[Joe H]

"THE TROUBLE IS THE HUMANS"

Hasn't it ALWAYS been that way?



Joe H

[Robert van Weersch]

Using USB sticks would be like taking a step backwards. The one thing I miss on my 970 is a hard drive.

I don't use the 500 GB disk of the Tyros at all, except for the stuff that is put there by expension packs. All of my songs, recordings, registrations etc. are stored on a tiny 64 GB USB drive, which only protrudes 2-3 mm when inserted in the Tyros, so it can even stay in there when the Tyros is put in the case. I prefer this because I do a lot of copying, editing, renaming etc of registrations and the USB file interface (to the PC) of the T5 is very slow, the USB thumbdrive outperforms it easily 6-7 times. I also hate that the T5 needs to be rebooted to be in the USB file mode. You can copy over USB midi with the Yamaha tooling, without needing to reboot, but that is even slower.

[Fred Smith]

The stated 58 GB "SSD" size is strange: usually SSD sizes come as powers of two. So the logical size would be 64 GB.

it's almost certainly a 64Gb drive, with 6gb reserved for the system (presets, user memory, expansion packs, etc). A lot like the way most tablets are organized.

Fred

[Kari V]

it's almost certainly a 64Gb drive, with 6gb reserved for the system (presets, user memory, expansion packs, etc). A lot like the way most tablets are organized.

Fred

Yes, I thought about that, too, but initially 6 GB looked too big to me for that purpose. Expansion packs should be in the 58 GB and the user samples are stored in the stated 1.8 GB reserved for that in the sample flash memory.

If the OS is Linux based like many embedded systems, then the figure looks about right, for instance Ubuntu requires 5 GB, and the Netbook Edition requires 4 GB, see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

[Kari V]

I've crawled through the schematics of the Montage and and the Yamaha patents covering the memory interface, etc. for the tone generator. http://sandsoftwaresound.net/montage-hardware-platform/ and http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/

So, yeah, I'm already familiar with ONFI.   

Don't worry, I have read your blogs already a long time ago and I have even referred to those here on this forum 

The part referring to ONFI was just pointing out that someone who provided that information to Misu seemed to have some deep technical information about the Genos flash memory interface.

[voodoo]

16 velocity levels..
Can only be done if the main sound cosist out of 16 elements
That means that it actually consist out of 2 or more awm2 voices (which has 8 elemenst and so a max of 8 velocity levels)

Hi Bachus,

it seems, that Yamaha usually uses one element per velocity layers. We have done some Tyros legacy voices inspection, showing that the internal samples are usually of type "piano-soft", "piano-med", "piano-hard", and then using three elements with velocity switching we get velocity layers.

However, using YEM it is possible to use many velocity layers within one voice element. We had some user made voices here, that used up to eleven velocity layers for a grand piano, using only one voice element.

So 16 velocity layers are already possible with our T5 or PSR keyboards. So it's not a technical issue, but a question of effort and wave memory.

And, speaking of drum voices, there is only one voice element in drum voices. And here we can place as many velocity layers as we want (max 127).

Uli

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

I hope Yem is replaced by banks and Individual loading

[metcam]

I hope Yem is replaced by banks and Individual loading

I hope so too,,hope so too...

Regards.

[pjd]

Don't worry, I have read your blogs already a long time ago and I have even referred to those here on this forum 

The part referring to ONFI was just pointing out that someone who provided that information to Misu seemed to have some deep technical information about the Genos flash memory interface.

Hi Kari --

The hazards of trying to converse on a forum! I wish we were chatting over coffee in a shop somewhere. Much more cordial than typing, typing, typing.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments -- pj

[Joe H]

I hope Yem is replaced by banks and Individual loading

We've already been told a new version of YEM is in the works.  Probably to support whatever is new in Genos, but I hope improvements for all instruments supported.

Joe H

[Tommy 73]

Hi Kari --

The hazards of trying to converse on a forum! I wish we were chatting over coffee in a shop somewhere. Much more cordial than typing, typing, typing.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments -- pj

i couldn't agree more

[Joe H]

Coffee anyone?

If this globe wasn't so big, we could have anuall coffee and beer meetings.

Too bad one of those 80 wealthiest people on the world who own half of everything there is isn't into arranger keyboards.  Because thay could finance such a gathering with their "pocket change".


Joe H

[AlBags]

Hay Joe.. ..

Hi ... What's the history on that print? Never seen before!

Thx!  Al (UK)