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Started by Des O, Jul 17, 2025, 01:04 PM

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Des O

Yamaha Prepares Groundbreaking Next-Generation Genos Arranger Workstation with Integrated AI Features

Tokyo, Japan — July 2025

Yamaha Corporation has ignited global anticipation in the music world with the quiet unveiling of its most ambitious project yet: a next-generation Genos arranger workstation, rumored to be called Genos AI. Building on the legacy of the original Genos and its dominant role in professional performance and composition, Yamaha is now blending cutting-edge artificial intelligence technology with their flagship arranger engine, promising a music creation experience like never before.

From Arranger to Intelligent Collaborator

Unlike its predecessors, the upcoming Genos AI is expected to act less like a traditional arranger keyboard and more like an intelligent musical collaborator. Sources inside Yamaha's R&D division suggest that the new instrument will feature a built-in AI Composer engine capable of analyzing your playing style and dynamically adapting accompaniment patterns, harmonic progressions, and even orchestration choices in real time.

According to early leaks, the Genos AI will come equipped with:

Adaptive Accompaniment Engine: A real-time AI-driven arranger that evolves with the player's mood, tempo, and genre preferences.

AI-Powered Style Generator: Musicians can input a reference track or hum a melody, and the keyboard will create entire backing arrangements in multiple styles.

Voice & Performance Cloner: A new feature allowing users to replicate the nuances of famous performers using deep machine learning—ideal for live stage impersonations or tribute acts.

Smart Articulation AI: Automatically adds performance nuance, articulations, and dynamic phrasing to MIDI input, making even simple sequences feel alive and expressive.

Enhanced Sound Design & Workflow

While AI takes center stage, Yamaha hasn't skimped on the essentials. The Genos AI is expected to boast an upgraded multi-core DSP engine, expanded super articulation voices, and studio-grade effects rivaling top production software. It will also feature seamless integration with Cubase, Logic Pro, and even cloud-based DAWs, allowing for easy drag-and-drop of AI-generated parts into your sessions.

A new high-resolution 12-inch multi-touch display, redesigned UI, and deep voice editing tools will cater to both live performers and studio producers. For gigging musicians, Yamaha is rumored to be testing a Gesture Control system, using motion sensors to switch styles, mute parts, or change registrations on the fly—hands-free.

Cloud and Community Integration

The Genos AI will also reportedly tie into Yamaha's expanding cloud platform, enabling users to:

Upload and share custom styles and AI presets.

Download new AI personalities trained in specific genres (e.g., jazz quartet, cinematic scoring, Afrobeat ensemble).

Use "Session Mode", where AI musicians join your composition live, emulating specific artists or genres in jam-style interactions.

Launch Timeline

While Yamaha has not made an official announcement, insiders hint that the Genos AI could be revealed at NAMM 2027, with beta units already in the hands of select artists and content creators. Early reactions from behind-the-scenes demos describe the experience as "like having an entire band and producer inside the keyboard—instantly responsive, human-like, and deeply musical."

As AI continues to transform how we create and perform music, Yamaha's next-generation Genos could be the instrument that finally bridges the gap between traditional performance and future-facing innovation.

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Stay tuned for more updates as Yamaha redefines what it means to play, produce, and perform—with the intelligent power of Genos AI.
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overover

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Hi @Des O,

Where did the information you posted come from? Can you provide a link to the original source?

I honestly can't imagine that many of the points you've mentioned are true or will actually be implemented. Yamaha would have to have "replaced" the entire Genos2 development team. ;)

During the Tyros5 era (when Genos1 was in the planning stages), I and a few select "power users" from Germany had relatively close contact with Yamaha Germany and the Japanese Tyros5/Genos1 development team. Unfortunately, neither in G1 nor later in G2 did hardly any of the improvements/changes we suggested at the time compared to T5 take into account or implement. Therefore, I view such "boastful" announcements for the Genos2 successor with considerable skepticism.


By the way, I moved this topic here to the "The Next Yamaha Keyboard" board, and removed your second topic with identical content.


Best regards,
Chris
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Chalky

The article itself looks like typical AI slop.
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Des O

Quote from: overover on Jul 17, 2025, 02:21 PMHi @Des O,

Where did the information you posted come from? Can you provide a link to the original source?

I honestly can't imagine that many of the points you've mentioned are true or will actually be implemented. Yamaha would have to have "replaced" the entire Genos2 development team. ;)

During the Tyros5 era (when Genos1 was in the planning stages), I and a few select "power users" from Germany had relatively close contact with Yamaha Germany and the Japanese Tyros5/Genos1 development team. Unfortunately, neither in G1 nor later in G2 did hardly any of the improvements/changes we suggested at the time compared to T5 take into account or implement. Therefore, I view such "boastful" announcements for the Genos2 successor with considerable skepticism.


By the way, I moved this topic here to the "The Next Yamaha Keyboard" board, and removed your second topic with identical content.


Best regards,
Chris

I think there is truth to it, from Yamaha R&D team.

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Alex Mercer

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A few hours ago, I came across a post shared by one of the members in our Facebook group: Yamaha Genos 2 Owners.

Although this is exclusively my personal opinion, I feel that the article is not genuine, and I haven't found any such information about the next generation of Genos on Yamaha's official pages. It seems either AI-generated or crafted mainly for clickbait.

For reference, here's the post links I found: This Facebook Post and This Post.

I think there's a possibility that the article and this post share the same source, or that one was copied from the other.
Just something to consider when assessing its credibility.
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Oxford1035

I very much doubt there is any truth in this article. For starters, if even only half of what was proposed was true, can you imagine the cost of the keyboard? It would be way out of reach for many of us.
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richkeys

"New high-resolution 12-inch multi-touch display" really exposes the fakery. Can we even imagine a Genos having a display that large? Yamaha does innovate, but at a much slower pace than all these new "features" suggest. The headline "Huge Genos 3 News!" is obviously not appropriate considering no source was provided.
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David_P

I'll believe it when I see it! ;D
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Amwilburn

This sounds like AI slop to me as well; however, it must've been convincing enough because my own manager sent me the same article on Facebook :p

https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkWilburnTLM/videos

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Sam Wacker

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Quote from: Des O on Jul 17, 2025, 02:59 PMI think there is truth to it, from Yamaha R&D team.

Do you really? When asked to provide a credible source/provenance you linked to a Yamaha Waves site that discussed AI but not any forthcoming Genos 3. That logical fallacy approach alone is suspicious.

As others have pointed out, in a more measured way than me, it's nothing more than clickbait/ "AI slop" (a new phrase I only discovered recently in the newspaper I read and where it was explained).

This forum is remarkably friendly and free speech encouraged -  but you do your credibility no good at all by being linked with, duped by or circulating stuff like this.

There are ways to discuss what might be considered as spurious information. You provide all the sources and then people can judge for themselves as Alex Mercer and Chris have indicated. You ask for and garner opinions on the topic rather than presenting it a fact.

If, on the other hand, I'm still around in 2026/7 and there really is a Genos 3 with all of these attributes I will offer you a very big public apology. Don't wait up.....
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Des O

Quote from: Alex Mercer on Jul 17, 2025, 03:14 PMA few hours ago, I came across a post shared by one of the members in our Facebook group: Yamaha Genos 2 Owners.

Although this is exclusively my personal opinion, I feel that the article is not genuine, and I haven't found any such information about the next generation of Genos on Yamaha's official pages. It seems either AI-generated or crafted mainly for clickbait.

For reference, here's the post links I found: This Facebook Post and This Post.

I think there's a possibility that the article and this post share the same source, or that one was copied from the other.
Just something to consider when assessing its credibility.
Taking into consideration what it says although not specifically mentioning Genos it's truthful.

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Des O

Quote from: overover on Jul 17, 2025, 02:21 PMHi @Des O,

Where did the information you posted come from? Can you provide a link to the original source?

I honestly can't imagine that many of the points you've mentioned are true or will actually be implemented. Yamaha would have to have "replaced" the entire Genos2 development team. ;)

During the Tyros5 era (when Genos1 was in the planning stages), I and a few select "power users" from Germany had relatively close contact with Yamaha Germany and the Japanese Tyros5/Genos1 development team. Unfortunately, neither in G1 nor later in G2 did hardly any of the improvements/changes we suggested at the time compared to T5 take into account or implement. Therefore, I view such "boastful" announcements for the Genos2 successor with considerable skepticism.


By the way, I moved this topic here to the "The Next Yamaha Keyboard" board, and removed your second topic with identical content.


Best regards,
Chris
Quote from: Alex Mercer on Jul 17, 2025, 03:14 PMA few hours ago, I came across a post shared by one of the members in our Facebook group: Yamaha Genos 2 Owners.

Although this is exclusively my personal opinion, I feel that the article is not genuine, and I haven't found any such information about the next generation of Genos on Yamaha's official pages. It seems either AI-generated or crafted mainly for clickbait.

For reference, here's the post links I found: This Facebook Post and This Post.

I think there's a possibility that the article and this post share the same source, or that one was copied from the other.
Just something to consider when assessing its credibility.
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Des O

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For those that dismiss the concept of new AI as slop, Yamaha along with other business are incorporating this to their business models. The information to AI is from Guests are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login official sites not slop. Although the info posted is not Genos specific or on Yamaha site as yet as breaking news, the possibility is there and seem Yamaha are working on something so should not be dismissed.
Yamaha have partnered with some high tech AI businesses as they advance their business to the future. Considering chart music is AI generated now as on a YouTube video I seen recently that the song and singer was all AI generated and on Spotify  its not beyond possibility or slop.
My own employer is moving this way as well.
We shall see what happens as for costs effective for the likes of us, who knows. Yamaha have now have partnerships, read their profiles and what they do it tells you everything you need to know, maybe there will be a AI Genos 3 release at NAMM 2027?
I would not dismiss it altogether.
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Ai generated music song written, sung, and played by AI, would you even know it was? This is the future embrace or reject?
https://youtu.be/eKxNGFjyRv0?si=cRJwDXiY0RQhkqL6

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mikf

Des, nobody is dissing AI. It has all kinds of possibilities. But equally, anyone could speculate a list of amazing things that AI could do in the future. But that doesn't mean People like Yamaha are actually about to release them, or even working on them. And like the others, I think it unlikely, certainly not on a short timescale.
They are probably talking about some of these things, .....but about to release them...naw.
Mike
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Oldden

Yamaha has to make a profit to stay in business, type in things like AI music generator or AI music keyboard on a search engine and see how many things are listed. My Genos 1 is getting on for ten years old now and to be honest Genos 2 isn't all that much different. So perhaps a different approach is needed, surely a Genos 3 has to change radically from Genos 1 and 2. Whatever happens I'm looking forward to it, reading comments here and probably buying one.
Den.
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BogdanH

That Yamaha page is more or less just a study (or idea, actually) of AI implementation in music creation on which Yamaha "is working". It's a big question in what form and when there will be a result of this idea.
Nowadays, every tech company is "working" on "AI something"  :D

Interpreting content of that Yamaha page as "Genos3 AI at NAMM 2027" is a complete nonsense and is simply deceiving -with only one purpose: to catch attention.

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Des O

#16
Quote from: Oldden on Today at 05:19 AMYamaha has to make a profit to stay in business, type in things like AI music generator or AI music keyboard on a search engine and see how many things are listed. My Genos 1 is getting on for ten years old now and to be honest Genos 2 isn't all that much different. So perhaps a different approach is needed, surely a Genos 3 has to change radically from Genos 1 and 2. Whatever happens I'm looking forward to it, reading comments here and probably buying one.
Den.
Genos and other Yamaha keyboards already have AI incorporated.
AI Fingering, Smart Chord.

Now I think Yamaha have gone as far a they can on Genos to make it different than any other manufacturer. There maybe a radical change, I myself would like to see riffs in styles, and a bar time progress bar in style creator, but that alone would not encourage me to buy a new one. Cost effective is the key, the software than hardware, that's where AI comes in cost effectiveness, maybe a new engine to drive the sounds? AI accompaniment? The point of the post was from a Facebook anonymous account on a Genos forum I posted, this tells me an insider leak? Or pure speculation wish list? Who knows but it does throw up good ideas and maybe it was to gain opinion and interest, I don't see the point of it being malicious or just tripe after seeing Yamaha development section and what's out there now. Only time will tell. Yamaha have partnered with AI developers maybe they see the future different considering computer tech, DAWS and plugins are becoming the norm for musicians and amateur players alike. Yes I will save for the next one if the change is better, Yamaha business model needs radical change going forward and they know it as they will have the units sold info. I speculate it was originally from an insider, there's too much info to digest, maybe a concept they are working on or another project altogether it may even be a module you can add on? AI is the way and in a fews years everything you thought you knew could be out the window! Rapid changes are here and the future is bright in this respect, timescales? Who knows but it does fit 5 years between models. A clue could be in Yamahas next keyboard model, if it like their Motorbike AI concept then we are in for a whole new experience. Just my thoughts nothing more.
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mikf

Des, nobody is dissing AI. It has all kinds of possibilities. But equally, anyone could speculate a list of amazing things like this, that AI could do in the future. But that doesn't mean People like Yamaha are actually about to release them, or even seriously working on them. And like the others, I think it unlikely, certainly not on a short timescale, because they really don't need to get that far ahead, from a competitive standpoint. And getting far ahead is expensive in R and D.
 Although this talks about early 2027, most people don't understand the length of time it takes from fully developed, protyped, tested, ready to go, — to commercial release. The lead time for finish design, manufacturing drawings, supplier discussions and negotiations , manufacturing tooling, market strategy, market documentation and materials,...to commercial release is probably over 12 months on a product like this. So it would have to be pretty much developed already to be commercially released in early 2027.
So yes are probably talking about some of these ideas in the corridors at Yamaha....and elsewhere...but working flat out, fully developed and about to release them...can't see it.
So I'm with the others, this doesn't seem real.
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Oldden

One possibility is that the next Yamaha keyboard is not actually all made my Yamaha. My Sony camera has lenses made by Zeiss, bits of my car, my tv,my iPad, everything, you name it are not made by the company who's name is on the item. Maybe Yamaha will go in that direction even more than they do now. It passes a rainy afternoon here in England thinking about it.
Den.
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Rupp

I'm even further ahead  8) You wouldn't believe what's coming in Genos 4! ;D ;D ;D
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