Chord looper question

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I made  a chord progression in the Genos 2 sequencer and expanded it.
How do you convert a midi file to a cld file.
I did what I have read and after name My songI put .cld.
Put back in Genos 2 and it does not show up on usb to import.
Have you got to have a special program to convert the midi file?
By just putting extension .cld after song name,  it does not show when plugged into the Genos.
I am missing something here and it is what I have not thought of as yet.
How do you rename ?


All the Best
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hello John,    "Hi, I is here"!!

I have solved this one after faffing about

Someone else may get fooled by renaming after pressing rename and putting In  a .cld extension after their song title.
What worked for me was opening properties of the midi file and putting the .cld extension on the name of your loop in the box
at top of properties             

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[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Oh well things take another turn
Today i did the same thing as I explained and there is no show again on the Genos. Tried three different USB sticks
That French mans CLD does not work.
Also renaming files does not work.
When i import from USB nothing is displayed.
I found it odd that it worked once when I renamed a file In properties.
The next day which Is today nothing again.
Does this work for anyone???
I have latest Genos update.
Is it the Genos that is playing up? or something to do with copyrights?

So it is enter chords whilst playing the best solution
Tie each loops to different registrations and record in sequencer leaving a hand spare for nuances.
It would of been great If CLD worked but sadly the Genos does not recognise the saved CLB files. Blank on USB again

[Michael Trigoboff]

It would of been great If CLD worked but sadly the Genos does not recognise the saved CLB files. Blank on USB again

CLD or CLB? Could that be part of your problem?

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Michael--- "I wus at a Grateful Dead end". Now I am "Tiptoeing through the Tulips"!!.


That Frenchman's CLD program  exports a CLB file  and when you put that on a USB stick and import into Genos 2 it is not compatible for some reason.(using IMPORT).
I feel  perplexed
"HANG ON"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Light Bulb moment hits me!!!!!!!!!!!!      


Let us clear this up.

For any logical Genos 2 user you would think opening up Chord Looper and putting a CLB or CLD file in would be straight forward.
It baffled one brick short of a building set me.

I proceed to button IMPORT and USB appears and none of my CLD or CLB files appear. So I gave up until the light bulb moment happened.
 You would think that import means Import, but what does it Import??              


By accident I pressed the NEW CHORD LOOPER BANK and then USER.
Now select USB 2 or where your stick is.
Viola your USB appears with the CLD and CLB files on it.
Press one of your files to highlight and exit.
Bingo!!!! Light bulb shining like a star    

My experimental loop 1 and 2 appears from my input and export from the French guy's CLD program.

Also my save CLD files appear and all works " I am a GENIUS now"!!


What is the point having that Import button!!???          
Must be a  Yamahabug!! 50cc


All the best
John



 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi

So the Chord Looper works in step record on The Genos and the CLD program.
The advantages of this is to make a great recording of your song and to practice your timing and getting
the nuances of a song right whilst practicing.
Once you get used to a song you will be able to play live all the way through with confidence.
To lay a chord track down in the Genos sequencer is great with chord Looper.
The reason for this is, If you play live all the way through, the Style leaves lots of tiny note partials and if
you are a 100th of a second out It leaves nasty little bits all over the style. If you use Cubase, you can see
for yourself and you can easily get rid of them using a note length tool in Cubase, but you cannot
If you do not use a software program. The note partials adds mud to your style.
So, If you program the Chords you have a clean style. Note partials can be annoying as you think something
sounds weird sometimes in parts of a style.
Once you have the chord track in the Genos chord sequencer sky Is the limit.
You will have a nice sounding song.
Again once you hear a clean song that you have made you will play that live, no problem.
Some people think It is cheating, but most band's do that in studio anyway before they go out live.
All the Best
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

That is my Half pennies worth

[Michael Trigoboff]

So the Chord Looper works in step record on The Genos and the CLD program.

Can you give us some detail of how you do this? I have been trying to figure this out for a while.

[Patt22]

Hello

https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,57361.msg530733.html#msg530733

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

So the Chord Looper works in step record on The Genos and the CLD program.

Can you give us some detail of how you do this? I have been trying to figure this out for a while.

Hi Michael

It is what I said further back in this thread??


Get a CLD or a CLB file on a USB stick

Stick it in the Genos 2

Go to Chord looper.
Do not press Import as you will not see your files . So as I said what is the point of Import. It has got to be a bug.

To get this right
Press New Chord Looper Bank
Press USER
Press where your USB is 1 or 2
Your CLD and CLB files will sparkle in front of your eyes 

Highlight which file that you want and EXIT

Now you will see the loops you have made In CLD program or the Step Edit you made On the Genos
Your CLD and CLB files will sparkle in front of your eyes once again!!!!!!!!! ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!!!

Has anyone alerted Yamaha yet about this bug?

[aprilla]

Do not press Import as you will not see your files . So as I said what is the point of Import. It has got to be a bug.

I never looked at the Import before, I just pressed the name to open a file.
That is strange, I wonder what it means.
I asked on the Yamaha Global YouTube channel, though I doubt I'll get an answer.

[vlbrgt]

You can export/import *.cld (chordlooper data) files but not *.clb (chordlooper banks) files.
 

[aprilla]

You can export/import *.cld (chordlooper data) files but not *.clb (chordlooper banks) files.
 

That explains why the *.clb files on my USB don't get seen.
But I would have thought files I've made that are saved in User might be seen, but they aren't. Do you know where 'chordlooper data' files come from, what they are?

Thanks
Mary

[vlbrgt]

But I would have thought files I've made that are saved in User might be seen, but they aren't. Do you know where 'chordlooper data' files come from, what they are?

Depending on what you are looking for the corresponding cld (import) or clb (load) files will be visible.
cld files you can make them yourself on the keyboard and export them.
Several cld files can be saved as a clb bank.

cld files are simply midi files with only chord events included.
clb is a little special : these are collections of max 8 cld files, concatenated in one clb file, but not following the midi specification as a normal midi file.

Regards
Etienne

[aprilla]

clb is a little special : these are collections of max 8 cld files, concatenated in one clb file, but not following the midi specification as a normal midi file.

Does that mean if I have a named bank with several numbers used in it, that it doesn't make a *.cld file of each individual number and a *.clb of the entire bank?

So we don't make *.cld on the keyboard? Possibly they come from that chord program Yamaha made (I don't use it).

It's likely I don't need to know Etienne, I am just curious and thinking out loud really. I enjoy the Chord Looper, but for me it's fine as I use it now.

[vlbrgt]

Genos 2 :

8 possible chordprogression blocks can be made.
Each block can be EXPORTED to a cld file.
All the blocks together can be SAVED as a clb file.

IMPORT : here you can IMPORT a cld file into one of the 8 blocks.
LOAD : a clb file will be completely LOAD into the 8 blocks.

Regards
Etienne

[aprilla]

Genos 2 :

8 possible chordprogression blocks can be made.
Each block can be EXPORTED to a cld file.
All the blocks together can be SAVED as a clb file.

IMPORT : here you can IMPORT a cld file into one of the 8 blocks.
LOAD : a clb file will be completely LOAD into the 8 blocks.

Regards
Etienne

Oh!
That is very interesting, thank you. My SX720 also has Export/Import, I'd used the Clear button but hadn't explored these. With some thought this could be really useful.

Mary

[aprilla]

I played with this just a little bit today.
I used the Editor to make a chord progression as I wanted to try it. It worked well for me, easy to understand.
Then I opened my file in Chord Looper, played it (it was all correct) and then I exported it. Now I can import it to any bank, to any position. This is useful and I'm glad I strayed into the Genos2 arena!

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

IMPORT + EXPORT - CLD + CLB = Total Confusion

[vlbrgt]

Please read the Genos 2 reference manual from page 17.
It's clearly explained there.

Regards
Etienne

[aprilla]

IMPORT + EXPORT - CLD + CLB = Total Confusion

Think of it this way. Save = *.CLB, Export/Import = *.CLD

So if you want to import a file, you must first have exported a file.
Try it, it's easier to understand once you've done it.

[Michael Trigoboff]

I played with this just a little bit today.
I used the Editor to make a chord progression as I wanted to try it. It worked well for me, easy to understand.
Then I opened my file in Chord Looper, played it (it was all correct) and then I exported it. Now I can import it to any bank, to any position. This is useful and I'm glad I strayed into the Genos2 arena!

By "the editor", do you mean the Step Editor? If not, what did you use to create a chord progression?

I created a chord progression in the Step Editor, and saved it. But I could not find anything to import into the Chord Looper. Did you mean something different by "export"?

A step-by-step description of what you did would be really helpful, if you feel like providing it.

[Michael Trigoboff]

I looked into this a little more. It turns out that the Step Editor Produces a MID file, and you have to use a computer to turn that into a CLD file.

So I now have that working, but there is a bar 0 that contains SysEx messages, and my chords can only start at bar 1, and this creates an extra bar that is not part of the progression I want. Is there some way around this?

I can do just what I want very easily using a Chord Track in Cubase. But I have been curious if it's possible to create a chord progression for the Chord Looper entirely on the Genos2.

[aprilla]

By "the editor", do you mean the Step Editor? If not, what did you use to create a chord progression?

Oh sorry, what I used was a program for editing chord looper files described in this thread but with a link to another page on the forum. Generally I make them on the keyboard (720), but the program could be useful so I'm glad I tried it.

Chord Loop Editor

[Michael Trigoboff]

Oh sorry, what I used was a program for editing chord looper files described in this thread but with a link to another page on the forum. Generally I make them on the keyboard (720), but the program could be useful so I'm glad I tried it.

Chord Loop Editor

OK, thanks. That's really helpful.

Given that it requires running something on the computer, I think I will just stick to what I already do with Cubase.

[vlbrgt]

@Michael Trigoboff

But I have been curious if it's possible to create a chord progression for the Chord Looper entirely on the Genos2.

For sure this is possible on the Genos 2.
Genso 2 reference manual from page 14.

Regards
Etienne

[Michael Trigoboff]

For sure this is possible on the Genos 2.
Genso 2 reference manual from page 14.

I wasn't clear enough. I also want to be able to edit a Chord Looper progression.

When I play a progression into the Chord Looper, there are slight timing errors, transient partial chords  because I didn't hit all the keys simultaneously, etc. I would like to be able to use the Genos2 to clean up a progression that I have created by playing it.

Is that possible?