Saving an Altered Style

[porterma]

Hi,
I am trying to create a new style from a preset style by muting some of the style parts, changing the actual voice of one of the style parts and making changes to the EQ settings.
When I tried to do this and then went to save the style putting it in the user with a new name, it saved the new style but when I went to go back to this saved style later the changes I had made were gone.
Now I did not use style creator, I just made the changes in the mixer and saved the altered style under a new name.
I know I can do these changes using a registration, but I wanted to have a custom style that I could use with a number of different songs.
Any help I can get to help me do this successfully would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Mark

[Amwilburn]

Hey Mark;

yes, you need to use style creator; all the mixer changes are just temporary mixer changes (unless you use a registration, correct)

Instead of muting some of the parts, you'll need to delete them. In Style Creator just go to the "Rec CH" page and delete the ones you don't need. AFAIK the EQ settings can only be saved externally (Registration) but I might be wrong, I hadn't looked!

Now voice changes is tricky: you can change voices in style creator, but if you change voices and do nothing else, the changes still won't stick! So what I do: tap the Step Edit icon to look at the style data -> if you insert the voice change there, right under the Program change, it'll stick. But if you change the voice from the REC CH screen, you'll need to go inside the step edit data and change *something* to make the changes stick ; yes doing so will delete the entire channel, so you'll need to unlock the style first and hope it's one of the channels that's unlockable (depending on whether they encoded it originally in major or minor, using the 1st 8 midi tracks or the last 8, determines if a track is unlockable)... I think BogdanH created software to let you unlock every track of a style...? Bogdan?

But once unlocked, you'd still need to go into the step edit portion, and insert the program change there *or* do it from the REC CH screen, then go into step edit and change a value (I usually increase/decrease a velocity by 1, then change it back). *then* it will stick.

If you don't want to faffle about with software, the other option (and yes I've done this) is to change the voice, erase the track, and start recording your own version of that style part (I usually try to imitate what I've just erased).

Now you see why I use registrations for *everything* :p

Mark

[Amwilburn]

Well, that's an unsettling message:

I just got (haven't figured out how to post images here)
"Sorry amwilburn, you are banned from using this forum" when I clicked on the "like" button

[porterma]

Hi Mark,
Thank you for that explanation.
I think the easiest thing to do is save the changes as a registration,
As I use the style for a new song I will just call up that registration and rename the registration accordingly.
Appreciate the help.

Mark

[aprilla]

Well, that's an unsettling message:

I just got (haven't figured out how to post images here)
"Sorry amwilburn, you are banned from using this forum" when I clicked on the "like" button

Yet here you are!
 

[DrakeM]

Hi Mark,
Thank you for that explanation.
I think the easiest thing to do is save the changes as a registration,
As I use the style for a new song I will just call up that registration and rename the registration accordingly.
Appreciate the help.

Mark

But when you upgrade to a newer keyboard, that Registration will be screwed up and you have to adjust it on the new keyboard.

Just take the time to do it correctly and create a custom style and be done with forever. 

Drake

[pedro_pedroc]

Hello.

When you save the new custom style, it saves everything (including EQ).
I think when get back to the new custom style, you're selecting the old one and not the new custom style stored in the user area of the internal keyboard memory.

That's the only explanation for me it's not working ...

Pedro

[Alex Mercer]

Well, that's an unsettling message:

I just got (haven't figured out how to post images here)
"Sorry amwilburn, you are banned from using this forum" when I clicked on the "like" button

@Amwilburn, 

I want to assure you that you are not banned. It seems there may have been a small system error that triggered the message about banning. 

Please don't worry, you are a highly valued and respected member of our community. 

Here is a step-by-step guide on how to insert an image into a forum post: 
https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,70723.msg529493.html#msg529493

If you need any further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me via email.
I'm always here and happy to help. 

Best regards, 
Alex

[porterma]

Hi Drake,
Thank you for your input.
Do you concur with Mark W. on the steps that you have to go through to save these types of changes to my style?

Mark

[Aquilauno]

Good evening\Morning everyone, first of all thanks for clarifying how to insert images in posts.
For the style modification since I'm doing it with some SX920 and Genos styles, before discovering that I'm wrong I ask you if this procedure can be corrected.
I enter the mixer and correct those channels that are not correctly set usually indicated by a keyboard or black icon, I decide based on the channel what and where to look for eg if it is the Pad I will look for an entry in the preset, legacy or GM directory and in the appropriate folder. From the mixer I possibly insert or modify an effect (reverb, delay, distortion...) then I enter the style creator and save the style. Then I take care of the OTS, I change the voices, I adjust the volumes and the effects, saving only the last OTS (I press no save if I have several changes to make to the individual OTS) finally I save the style with the modified ots. From the mixer I can change all the voices of the individual channels, but it has never been necessary to work like this on more than two or three channels, each change to the mixer must be saved in Style Creator to be permanent. In this way the setting remains unchanged and is valid for all the changes, at least apparently. Tell me if I'm wrong about something before I continue to make mistakes lol. I greet you with esteem and thank you

[Amwilburn]

Hi Mark,
Thank you for that explanation.
I think the easiest thing to do is save the changes as a registration,
As I use the style for a new song I will just call up that registration and rename the registration accordingly.
Appreciate the help.

Mark

But when you upgrade to a newer keyboard, that Registration will be screwed up and you have to adjust it on the new keyboard.

Just take the time to do it correctly and create a custom style and be done with forever. 

Drake

Actually, every new keyboard can read its predecessor's registrations; however, yes, things screwed up when using audio styles (which the s950/970/975 and T5 all had). But otherwise psrsx920 reads sx900/s970/s975/s950/s910/s900/PSR3000 registrations just fine.

Hmm I just tried again, and Aqualino, even forcing change the OTS the new sound mapping *didn't* stick.

Mark: what *did* work? I went in to style creator, changed  bunch of voices, then went into the drums and did what I mentioned above (changed a drum velocity +1) and *that* worked. Since drums are always unlocked, you don't have to faffle about with software, just remember to modify a value (you can even modify it back); it triggers the difference being saved

Alex; when I click on "liked by" now, it brings up the correct person. As I've rebooted the computer since, I can't show you the "banned" message, but it sounds like you were aware of the glitch already!


Mark

[Alex Mercer]

Alex; when I click on "liked by" now, it brings up the correct person. As I've rebooted the computer since, I can't show you the "banned" message, but it sounds like you were aware of the glitch already!

Hi Mark (@Amwilburn),

I hope the issue has been resolved.
If you require any further assistance, feel free to reach out to me via email.

Best regards,
Alex

[porterma]

Thank you everyone for your input.
Yesterday I watched a video by Chris Hammond, manager of epianos in the UK and then tried his method.
First I opened the mixer and made the changes I wanted to the style. I muted 4 of the style parts, changed the voice of the pad and then increased the volume of that pad. I then opened Style Creator, went to Rec Channel; deleted those 4 style parts I did not want on and then saved the altered style under a new name. And it worked. I was able to go back and forth between the original style and this new altered style with the changes staying.
I will continue to work on this.
Again, thanks for all your help.

Mark

[Amwilburn]

There you go! I knew you had to change *something* for the changes to stick; never occurred to me volume would work as well!

Nice!

[ticktock]

Actually, every new keyboard can read its predecessor's registrations; however, yes, things screwed up when using audio styles (which the s950/970/975 and T5 all had). But otherwise psrsx920 reads sx900/s970/s975/s950/s910/s900/PSR3000 registrations just fine.

Hi Mark,
My friend's Genos 1 can not read my old s970's registrations. My new sx920 can.
Thanks, Ted.

[Aquilauno]

Hi Amwilburn, it is not easy for me to express in English and google translate does not help in this. I proceed in two ways one for the modification of the OTS, the second for modifying the style.
OTS:
I proceed like this... I vary the voices that interest me, I press memory and the OTS to be memorized eg 1, I do not save, I move on to the second OTS, I press memory and OTS 2, if I have finished this time I save the OTS (actually saving saves all 4 OTS's, even those that I had not previously saved, finally I save the style on the pendrive.
Style: as said in post n. #9
I enter the mixer menu and correct those channels that are not correctly, if necessary insert or modify an effect (corus end reverb) then I enter the style creator and save the modified style.
The modification is permanent, because I play them every day and the modifications are not lost, both the voices of the 8 channels and the effects set by the mixer, I also modified the volume of some channels in this way (some styles sounded too loud for my SX900, this procedure works as long as you save the style from the Style Creator menu... I have modified about a hundred of them up to now... apparently the changes in them have been maintained over time. It would be a disaster to find out that this is not a good method... but in that case better to know and correct than to continue to make mistakes... I hope google translate does a good job Anyway thanks.
PS: one thing I don't remember is whether by deactivating some channels from the mixer and then saving the style from Style Creator the channels remain deactivated,  I'm not sure... tomorrow I'll try... but you can be quicker to find out. lol

[Amwilburn]

Actually, every new keyboard can read its predecessor's registrations; however, yes, things screwed up when using audio styles (which the s950/970/975 and T5 all had). But otherwise psrsx920 reads sx900/s970/s975/s950/s910/s900/PSR3000 registrations just fine.

Hi Mark,
My friend's Genos 1 can not read my old s970's registrations. My new sx920 can.
Thanks, Ted.

Yes, and I've mentioned this before:

PSRsx920 can read sx900/sx970/s950(except audio styles)/s910/s900/PSR3000

Genos2 can read G1/T5/T4/T3/T2/T1 that why I said it's *predecessors*. They didn't make them necessarily cross compatible across the series; *but* weirdly? PSRsx920 can read G2/G1/T5 etc registrations; sx900 can Read G1/T5/T4/T3 etc, but not the other way around, no. G2 can't ready *any* PSR registrations, and likewise G1, T5, T4 etc cannot read any PSR registrations.

CVP registrations are backwards compatible but not forward; *all* newer CVP's can read older CVP registrations, but not the reverse, and they can't ready any PSR or Tyros/Genos registrations.

Hence the very specific wording of *predecessors*!

Mark

[DrakeM]

So to make your registration works no matter what keyboard you want to play them on, you should place ALL your styles onto a USB stick. Then create all your registrations using only the STYLES on the USB stick and NOT use your PRESET styles on your keyboard.

Cheers
Drake

[Aquilauno]

Hi Mark, my "problem" is not about recordings but only about editing the style, but I have to correct an inaccuracy of mine, I make the change from the channel menu, usually the Rythm1 channel does not play (keyboard icon), (I am currently modifying Drake's styles to adapt them to my SX900 and I have arrived at the Retropop styles). From the mixer menu I only modify the reverb and if necessary the volume of the individual voices then I save in style creator...  and the modifications are permanent, both for the voices in the channel menu and those in the mixer.  I do it to adapt the styles of other more recent keyboards to my sx900... so I was wondering if the procedure I'm doing is correct or not recommended for reasons I don't know... before continuing to uselessly edit another 100 styles...  Thanks also to Drake (I appreciate your excellent styles stored in my USB).
PS unfortunately I can't correct the inaccuracy I wrote in posts #9 and #15 I'm sorry
Pietro

[Amwilburn]

100% Drake!

Aqua I'm still not following; I literally explained how to do small corrections using the 'step' edit setup screen, which is automatically unlocked for the 2 drum tracks, so no extra software needed..? Yes the modifications are permenent. But MarkP said he found out you can actually just fiddle with the volume, and the edit values will still stick, meaning you don't even have to do what I said to do unless you want to correct the drums in some way.