MIDI Song To Style - New Version 1.1.1

[overover]

Hi all,

Yamaha has released an improved version (V1.1.1) of the "MIDI Song To Style" program/app:

Windows 10(64bit) / 11
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Version History

V1.1.0 to V1.1.1
- Improvement for MIDI Song reading system
V1.0.0 to V1.1.0
- Now supports the PSR-SX920, PSR-SX720


macOS 15 (Sequoia) - 12 (Sonoma / Ventura / Monterey)
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Version History

V1.1.0 to V1.1.1
- Now Supports macOS 15 (Sequoia)
- Improvement for MIDI Song reading system
V1.0.0 to V1.1.0
- Now supports the PSR-SX920, PSR-SX720


Best regards,
Chris

[rattley]

Hello!

I've tried this a bit when it was originally released. I found it not to my liking. Maybe I'm the one at fault but the results were disappointing. Several others at that time seemed to share that opinion and discussions seem to indicate this was not a one-button wonder. Many of us just assumed time would be in our favor and eventually many of us would become style making monsters sharing these with anyone.

I put out a challenge to those who said they made successful styles with it. Share something you made to show me what I might have been doing wrong. I have yet to see these offerings. I'd love to see interest spark again.I think it's time to try this again, but maybe this time, with those improvements, and more collective knowledge, it could work for me. Maybe for all of us?? 

We have also seen many upsets this year with our forums. It still seems that there are really not many of us here anymore. Seems like not that long ago I would have 20+ posts a day to deal with..................................mercy!  -charley

[ChrisH]

Hi Charley

I think firstly the midi has to be really good but I do find that the software often produces no intro and ending and a poor set of variations. I have a feeling that Jorgen's Midi to Style software is a lot better BUT a LOT more complicated ..there are a few tutorials out on how to use it but mostly in Croatian or French

The issue is that I compare the produced styles with the FFFF set of styles you posted a while ago done by Pierke Munsen which all have GOOD 3 choices of intros plus you can use intro 2 as a M8 or instrumental break ..Variations are top class and then they all have 3 endings ..very hard to beat and always my goto set of Song Styles except there is always those one or two songs you really want that are not to the set!! 

I have been looking for Guitars, Cadillacs song by Dwight Yoakham for ages and the midi someone gave me sounds pretty cool but once you process thru the Yamaha software it sounds terrible ... I guess I need to play with Jorgen's software a bit more!!!

Chris

[aprilla]

Over the years I've looked at various ways to make styles and I learned only that I'm not a natural style maker. Programs such as these give me some hope that maybe someday I'll make a style.

I've had one try with this program, using the instant-whip method, gave it a MIDI and clicked 'Done'. I saw the midi in my collection, thought I'll try out that program with this and selected it without even listening to it, even in the Style maker program. I do believe in magic it seems. A little more time and effort would probably help a bit 😂

But I hope I'll be able to study it further, learn about markers and such, to improve on my initial trial.

I attach it here for you Charley.... name that tune!
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[Rick D.]

Thanks Chris,

This new version does a way better job than the older two versions.

Rick D.

[ChrisH]

Great Rick

I must try it out later on the keyboard and see if it makes a better style file

Chris

[rattley]

Hello!

Thanks for the style. I'll listen to it the next time I play. After the other comments I'm now excited to try out the improved version. I think I will purge my brain of what I think I know about style making. I think I need a totally fresh start and attitude. Thanks. My fruits will also be yours!!!  -charley

[ChrisH]

Hi Charley

Read my post and results on the other forum and you will see that there is no improvement at all ..I however never tested the editing side ..just made an "easy" style and it's way way beyond acceptable. Didn't post my results here as you cannot attach any files without hosting them yourself but they are all there at Yamaha Musicians to download and view the problem.

Chris

[jeep4446]

Hi, just wondering where I could find date list text for PSR S900 so I could import it to the to the midi song to style software ... thanks

[Rick D.]

Hi Charley

Read my post and results on the other forum and you will see that there is no improvement at all ..I however never tested the editing side ..just made an "easy" style and it's way way beyond acceptable. Didn't post my results here as you cannot attach any files without hosting them yourself but they are all there at Yamaha Musicians to download and view the problem.

Chris

Chris

You have to tweak them on the editing side or they will never be what you like for your taste.

Rick D.

[ChrisH]

Thanks Rick

Can you give us an example of a style that you have created from a midi with that has a quality close to the original midi with full intros, endings and variations ..I would love to be able to create styles with the Yamaha software but so far even with a considerable amount of tweaking what I have created doesn't sound anything like the midi.  Prior to tweaking the "easy' method seems to create a style from a good quality 60kb midi that is barely 17kb whereas a professional style is a lot bigger so something is being left out.

Much appreciated

Chris

[overover]

Hi, just wondering where I could find date list text for PSR S900 so I could import it to the to the midi song to style software ... thanks

Hi @jeep4446,

Do you mean the PSR-SX900 or the (now very old) PSR-S900?

For the SX900 you can find the required voice list (.txt) for the "MIDI Song to Style" program on the SX900 download site (under "Other Downloads"):
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Regarding PSR-S900, this model is only compatible with SFF1 styles, but not with SFF2 (= SFF GE) styles as used by current models and generated by the "MIDI Song to Style" program.


Best regards,
Chris

[DrakeM]

I tried the updated version last night. I agree, I found nothing has improved. The program did not even find an intro or an ending.

Drake

[David Makth]

Am so sorry to ask a question which seems to be off topic but I have been in a struggle for converting my styles of ssf2 because am using psr-3000 may be I need ssf1. Please let someone help me.
Thanx

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[aprilla]

Am so sorry to ask a question which seems to be off topic but I have been in a struggle for converting my styles of ssf2 because am using psr-3000 may be I need ssf1. Please let someone help me.
Thanx

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Yes, for the 3000 you want to use SFF1 styles. You can find style conversion software at Guets are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login. Also there you will find Jorgen's style making software that will work to make styles for your keyboard.

[KurtAgain]

David, for the PSR-3000 the styles must be in the old SFF1 format. You can convert SFF2 styles to SFF1 format using Jørgen Sørensen's software "Style Format 2 Converter". You can download this software for free:
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But as Jørgen himself writes:

This program is a converter which makes it technically possible to run SFF2 styles on older models.

After conversion the style might need some tweaking.

Kurt

[David Makth]

Am so sorry to ask a question which seems to be off topic but I have been in a struggle for converting my styles of ssf2 because am using psr-3000 may be I need ssf1. Please let someone help me.
Thanx

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David, for the PSR-3000 the styles must be in the old SFF1 format. You can convert SFF2 styles to SFF1 format using Jørgen Sørensen's software "Style Format 2 Converter". You can download this software for free:
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But as Jørgen himself writes:

This program is a converter which makes it technically possible to run SFF2 styles on older models.

After conversion the style might need some tweaking.

Kurt

please how do I do the tweaking after conversation..?

[jeep4446]

Hi, just wondering where I could find date list text for PSR S900 so I could import it to the to the midi song to style software ... thanks

Hi @jeep4446,

Do you mean the PSR-SX900 or the (now very old) PSR-S900?

For the SX900 you can find the required voice list (.txt) for the "MIDI Song to Style" program on the SX900 download site (under "Other Downloads"):
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Regarding PSR-S900, this model is only compatible with SFF1 styles, but not with SFF2 (= SFF GE) styles as used by current models and generated by the "MIDI Song to Style" program.


Best regards,
Chris

Hi Chris,

I do have the PSR-S900, so I'm thinking the Mid to Style is not usable with the PSR-S900 ?? 

[KurtAgain]

please how do I do the tweaking after conversation..?

This is described in great detail here: Adjusting Yamaha Styles

And about OTS here: Replacing Unknown OTS Voices

Kurt

[overover]

Hi Chris,

I do have the PSR-S900, so I'm thinking the Mid to Style is not usable with the PSR-S900 ??

Hi @jeep4446,

In principle, you could use the MIDI Song to Style program, but you would definitely have to convert the resulting SFF2 styles to the SFF1 style file format, as previously mentioned by @aprilla and @KurtAgain:
>>> https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,70238.msg527084.html#msg527084
>>> https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,70238.msg527085.html#msg527085

Since the earlier SFF1 format cannot store all the information that can be contained in the newer SFF2 format, the styles converted to SFF1 will probably still have to be edited manually. This can affect, for example, guitar tracks that were programmed using the new possibilities of the SFF2 (= SFF GE) format.

If I were you, I would just give it a try, i.e. create a few styles from MIDI files with this program, then convert them to SFF1 using the software "Style Format 2 Converter" by Jørgen Sørensen mentioned above and test the converted styles on the PSR-S900. If you are somewhat satisfied with the results, you can continue down this path. It may be enough to adjust the voices/volumes/effect settings of the styles generated in this way directly on the S900 (in the Mixing Console) and then re-save the changed style (in the Style Creator). However, I fear that a little more is necessary to achieve usable results.

You will probably have to deal with Yamaha style programming in more detail and need additional computer programs such as MixMaster (free), StyleMagic (paid) and perhaps a DAW such as Cakewalk by BandLab (free) or Cubase (paid).

Here you will find important information about the Yamaha Style File formats, which you can refer to if necessary:
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As far as I know, a PSR-S900 Voice file (.txt) for the MIDI Song to Style program is not yet available, i.e. you would have to create it yourself (e.g. based on an SX900 .txt file and e.g. a MixMaster "PSR-S900.dat" instrument file and using the Voice List in the PSR-S900 Data List PDF manual. However, such a file is not absolutely necessary, you could also change/set the desired voices later directly on the keyboard.


Best regards,
Chris

[ChrisH]

Hi David

I have a mate here who has an S900 and I actually do a batch converts from SFF2 back to SFF1 with newer files that I have and he seems perfectly happy with the result so Try Jorgen's SFF2 to SFF1 conversion software and play it on your keyboard first before attempting any tweaking ..you might not even need any tweaking.

Chris

[David Makth]

Thanks so much guys for helping me, it has really worked
I also have pads which I was using on PRS-S750 but here on PRS-3000 some are not sound and other they sound but they don't change according to the progression when am using accompaniments, I mean they remain in same tone 

[ChrisH]

Hi David

Jorgen's software can only handle Style files I was unaware that pad files came in different formats!  Maybe the other Chris (overover) can answer this one??

Chris

[jeep4446]

Hi Chris,

I do have the PSR-S900, so I'm thinking the Mid to Style is not usable with the PSR-S900 ??

Hi @jeep4446,

In principle, you could use the MIDI Song to Style program, but you would definitely have to convert the resulting SFF2 styles to the SFF1 style file format, as previously mentioned by @aprilla and @KurtAgain:
>>> https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,70238.msg527084.html#msg527084
>>> https://forum.psrtutorial.com/index.php/topic,70238.msg527085.html#msg527085

Since the earlier SFF1 format cannot store all the information that can be contained in the newer SFF2 format, the styles converted to SFF1 will probably still have to be edited manually. This can affect, for example, guitar tracks that were programmed using the new possibilities of the SFF2 (= SFF GE) format.

If I were you, I would just give it a try, i.e. create a few styles from MIDI files with this program, then convert them to SFF1 using the software "Style Format 2 Converter" by Jørgen Sørensen mentioned above and test the converted styles on the PSR-S900. If you are somewhat satisfied with the results, you can continue down this path. It may be enough to adjust the voices/volumes/effect settings of the styles generated in this way directly on the S900 (in the Mixing Console) and then re-save the changed style (in the Style Creator). However, I fear that a little more is necessary to achieve usable results.

You will probably have to deal with Yamaha style programming in more detail and need additional computer programs such as MixMaster (free), StyleMagic (paid) and perhaps a DAW such as Cakewalk by BandLab (free) or Cubase (paid).

Here you will find important information about the Yamaha Style File formats, which you can refer to if necessary:
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As far as I know, a PSR-S900 Voice file (.txt) for the MIDI Song to Style program is not yet available, i.e. you would have to create it yourself (e.g. based on an SX900 .txt file and e.g. a MixMaster "PSR-S900.dat" instrument file and using the Voice List in the PSR-S900 Data List PDF manual. However, such a file is not absolutely necessary, you could also change/set the desired voices later directly on the keyboard.


Best regards,
Chris

Thanks Chris for all that info, I have been playing around with SFF conversions with good results. Maybe I'll stay with that for awhile and wait for more updates on the Midi To Style software .   Thank you sir !!