The Yamaha PSRS 750 and S950 the two keyboards that finally made Yamaha come to

[erim kaska]

So where do we begin? Let's start with the PSR 9000 everybody knows the PSR 9000 had ram inside it and you could load new sounds but in 2000 came the korg PA 80 with ram and was in a more reasonable price then the PSR 9000 so when the PSR 1000 and 2000 came out, it had no ram and it could not compete with the PA 80 which is a shame for many many years. Yamaha has failed to introduce a keyboard in that price range with a ram where you can load new only the top and keyboards like the Yamaha 9000 pro tyros one tyros two tyros three and even the tyros for none of the keyboards that I'm gonna mention have ram for example the PSR 3000 the PSR s900 the PSR s910 but all that changed with the introduction of the PSR s650 and PSR a 2000 with the introduction of ram the 650 had 16 MB of ram were the a 2000 had 64 then the PSRS 750 and S950 made Yamaha compete with the other companies that had ram in their arranger keyboard like the PA 800 or the PA2x or even at the time newly released PAA 3 X from then on Yamaha started making their keyboards with ram built-in so we users can install brand new sound and brand new expansion packs. I think that was a very big move on Yamaha so I have a couple of questions for you. Why couldn't Yamaha do this when they introduced the PSR 2000 just my though but let me hear your thoughts s950 and s750 bring Yamaha to where they were today. Let me know your thoughts. And by the way, let me know your thoughts. Why couldn't the PSR 1000 and 2000 été with the PA 80 which had ram inside it let me know what you guys think about this. Thank you and have a nice day and let's see what Yamaha comes out with their new sx series of keyboards

[pjd]

Looking at the service manuals, the PSR-1000/2000 internal electronics are greatly simplified when compared to the PSR-9000. The PSR-9000 has a complicated bus structure for waveform memories of different type (ROM vs. RAM). Plus, the 9000 has SIMM sockets.

It all comes down to cost. Someone at Yamaha asked, "How many of our customers need RAM and are willing to pay for it?"

They ask those same questions today...

The PSR-S expansion memory is not RAM. It is contained in the same writeable NAND flash waveform memory as factory waveforms -- a relatively cheap solution.

Hope this short answer helps -- pj

[Amwilburn]

Wow, that op was really hard to wade through with no sentence or paragraph formatting!

In the future erim please separate by sentences and paragraphs, that was quite difficult to read; but you're asking why the PSR2000 from 2001 doesn't have flash ram (NAND flash, as pjd pointed out... like a fast EPROM) vs the PSRsx50 series released 2012, does? Yes the PSR9000 had actual ram to load samples from (floppy disk). But that was TOTLA; no mid line from Yamaha has ever contained RAM. Yes, the T2 and T3 also used ram, but again, TOTLA.

The answer to your question is simply: if they had included sample ram capability in the lower PSR2000, then the price would've been much closer to the PSR9000 (which was roughly 2.5x the PSR2000's price). AKA Price points.

As for the PA80, it *didn't* come with sampling. You had to purchase the Hard drive and the insanely expensive Korg ram expansion pack (It was  $384 for a 256mb ram... approx 20 times the price of PC ram) in order to add it. By comparison you could get an 8GB dimram for $14, 32x the size of the Korg ram. At least the hard drive used a standard laptop drive, which at the time was up to 40gb or so. (just under $200 back then), And the PA80 was roughly double the price of the PSR2000 as well... before the added cost of ram and hdd

Mark

[mikf]

The explanation for all corporate product decisions is simple -
you add functionality you gain some sales
you add cost/increase price you lose some sales
you add cost without increasing price you lose margin
You make a judgement call which one matters the most
Results  confirm if you got it right or wrong and you learn for the next time
Mike

[DrakeM]

Why are we hashing over ancient keyboards. Yamaha Corporation is at the top of this industry. They obviously know how to please the customer the best.

I want to know ... when is the next PSR keyboard going to be released? This is now JULY ... YO Yamaha ... you're LATE.

Cheers
Drake