Rock registrations for PSR-E433

[SciNote]

Okay, here are some more registrations for the PSR-E433.  These are Rock Organ, Sixties Organ, Rock Guitar, and Rock Synth.  For the music demos, I just recorded improvisation, so there should not be any copyright concerns.  You may be able to hear some influences in some of the improvisations, however.

With the Rock Organ, I included two recorded demos.  The first one is just the registration as I have it saved in the keyboard.  The second one is the registration, but with the live control knobs (set to filter) adjusted to give the sound a Hammond-style keyboard click.  Details are in the registration parameters below.

As with some of my other registrations, the reverb is set low on some of these because I use an external reverb pedal.  You can boost the reverb levels if you want more reverb.

I used Audacity software to record the audio demos, and I adjusted amplification, compression, and equalization in Audacity.  Since I do use an external reverb pedal, I also added reverb to the recordings using Audacity so that it better approximates how the tones sound with my set-up.  The exception is the Rock Organ with key click -- I did not add additional reverb with that sample recording because the click effect stands out better without the extra reverb.

Rock Organ
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.....................................Main.....................Dual...................Split.............
Voice ....................344-RockOrgan.....19-Cool!Organ......279-DetCP80..
Volume ..........................95.........................80.....................100............
Octave ............................0...........................0....................... -1............
Pan ...............................32..........................96.......................64...........
Reverb ..........................26..........................26.....................100...........
Chorus ..........................87..........................87.....................100...........
Attack ............................64..........................64.....................................
Release .........................64..........................64.....................................
Cutoff ............................47..........................47.....................................
Resonance ....................77..........................77......................................

Reverb: 3-Hall3, Chorus: 1-Chorus1

To add the key click to this rock organ sound, first make sure the live control knobs are set to
the filter.  Then set the left knob (filter cutoff) so that the pointer is pointing to about the 1:30
position (treating the circular path around the knob like a clock), and then set the right knob
(filter resonance) to about the 3:30 position.  The click effect is most prominent in the middle
part of the keyboard.


Sixties Organ
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.....................................Main.....................Dual...................Split.............
Voice ....................347-FastRotary.....346-SlowRotary......58-DX100Bass
Volume ..........................95.........................80.....................100............
Octave ............................0...........................0....................... -1............
Pan ...............................64.........................64.......................64............
* You may want to try different pan settings for more imaging
Reverb ............................0...........................0.......................75............
* You may want to try higher reverb levels
Chorus .........................100.......................100....................110............
Attack ............................65.........................65.......................................
Release .........................64.........................64.......................................
Cutoff ............................64.........................64.......................................
Resonance ....................64.........................64.......................................

Reverb: 3-Hall3, Chorus: 1-Chorus1

You can experiment with using voice 345, Rotary Organ, for either the main or dual voice.
Many people may not realize that this voice has a unique feature: With touch sensitivity for
the keyboard on, if you hit the keys lightly, you get a slow rotary effect, but if you hit the
keys harder, you get a fast rotary effect.  However, the effect is not very pronounced.


Rock Guitar
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.....................................Main.....................Dual...................Split.............
Voice ...................40-DynOverdrive.....50-Overdrive......140-80sBrass...
Volume .........................100......................105....................105..............
Octave .......................... -1........................ -1 ..................... -1..............
Pan ...............................64.........................64......................64..............
Reverb ..........................37.........................37.....................100.............
Chorus ..........................79.........................79.....................110............
Attack ............................64..........................64......................................
Release .........................86..........................86......................................
Cutoff ............................91..........................62......................................
Resonance ....................68..........................70.......................................

Reverb: 3-Hall3, Chorus: 3-Flanger1


Rockin' 80's Synth
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.....................................Main.....................Dual...................Split.............
Voice .......................67-Strings..........74-SynStrings.....165-SawLead....
Volume .........................100......................110....................115..............
Octave ........................... -1....................... -1...................... -1..............
Pan ................................64........................64......................64..............
Reverb .............................0........................25......................80..............
* Again, you may want to try higher reverb levels
Chorus ...........................71......................100....................110..............
Attack ............................36..........................0........................................
Release .........................62.........................64........................................
Cutoff ............................64.........................64........................................
Resonance ....................64.........................64........................................

Admittedly, as I listened to the recording of this sound, I'm thinking that
it could maybe use some improvement.  I may work on tweaking it, and
if I update it, I'll post the updates.

Here are the sound samples...

Rock Organ...
https://app.box.com/s/zjti9g5mazxdtega3o0apib4lrmw3zao

Rock Organ with key click...
https://app.box.com/s/g01gx41m81av61vowlnnwxf96jru852a

Sixties Organ...
https://app.box.com/s/rp5vjvsn01h0snx54o61rpl8f89r3vkn

Rock Guitar...
https://app.box.com/s/slljkee1m3e4pyun1iy4qczruq2ewzzp

Rockin' 80s Synth...
https://app.box.com/s/d738j05t0g0smqs9vcdjq0jx3k3v1nng

[Mick47]

Thanks again SciNote..great stuff.
Is it too much to ask for the styles you have used with these.
Still have many questions..they can wait as I learn more.

[SciNote]

Thank you again for your feedback!  I am working on improvements to the 80's synth sound.  As far as the background styles, I'm just using the built-in styles, and just using them for the drums.  In other words, when I select the style, I keep auto-accompaniment switched off, and therefore starting the style only plays the drums.

The first three samples (the organ sounds) do not have any style playing.  For the guitar sample, I believe I'm using Style 12, and for the 80's synth, I think I used Style 14.  I used variation B on both styles.  As for the background bass line you hear in all the samples, that is just me playing an improvised bass line, using the split voice set up in the registration, with my left hand.

[SciNote]

If you haven't read my previous post, please read that to see my answer to your question about the styles I used in my demos.

Now, before I go on, I need to point out that I may have accidentally given you wrong info about setting up a registration in such a way so that the style will not change when selecting the registration.  I said to hit the Song button, and then hit the Voice button to start with your settings.  However, I tried that tonight, and it did not work.  I may still need to experiment (it had been a long time since I started a registration from scratch -- I have mainly just been editing existing ones).  If you hit the Voice button first and select your main voice to get started, and then hit the Song button, I think that will work.  And then, after hitting the Song button, you then use the dual and split buttons as I described before (hit and hold them down to get to those parameters) and the category plus and minus buttons to go to the various parameters.

I know that, once a registration is saved, if you want to edit it, you can hit the Song button first, then select the registration that you want to enter and edit, and then just change the parameters and save the registration like normal.  If you hit the Song button after you have already started changing the parameters, then it might change some of the parameters you have already set and saved.  As far as I know, it mainly just changes the Reverb type and the Chorus type, but there could be other parameters affected that I am not aware of.

Now, as I said before, I have been working on an update to my Eighties Synth, and so far, I have come up with this...

Rockin' 80's Synth -- REVISED!
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.....................................Main.....................Dual...................Split.............
Voice .....................140-80s Brass.....74-SynStrings....165-Saw Lead....
Volume .........................105........................95....................110.............
Octave ........................... -1....................... -1...................... -1..............
Pan ................................64........................64......................64..............
Reverb ...........................75........................75....................100..............
Chorus .........................100........................60....................100.............
Attack ............................64........................64........................................
Release .........................64........................64........................................
Cutoff ............................57........................62........................................
Resonance ....................64........................64........................................

Reverb: 3-Hall3, Chorus: 4-Flanger2

I'll post a demo another time.  But this sound ROCKS!  And it is very versatile.  Set up this sound, and then play with the filter controls (set the live control knobs to filter and adjust the cutoff and resonance), and you can get all kinds of cool synthesizer sounds!  You can also experiment with setting the dual voice octave to -2 instead of -1, and that gives it a fat, full sound for synth leads.

[Mick47]

Thanks again..getting there Bob..have needed to lighten octave on split to 1 or 2 from -1.. This took multiple writings to get this done . I'm baffled why it wouldn't change but eventually it worked.
Do I have to make sure dual and split lights are on? Is it the style button messing things up.Hit registry first to make sure the bank is right. Then bank and register button. Its something simple I guess.
Mick

[SciNote]

Thanks again..getting there Bob..have needed to lighten octave on split to 1 or 2 from -1.. This took multiple writings to get this done . I'm baffled why it wouldn't change but eventually it worked.
Do I have to make sure dual and split lights are on? Is it the style button messing things up.Hit registry first to make sure the bank is right. Then bank and register button. Its something simple I guess.
Mick

You mention hitting the registration button first.  I assume that you mean one of the four registration buttons that call up one of the four registrations in a particular bank.  So, whether you want to hit one of those buttons depends on what you want to do.  If you want to play or edit a particular registration that you've already saved, then yes, you want to call up that registration by hitting the registration button that goes to that particular registration.  And if you're not in the correct bank, then you hit the bank button, then use the numeric numeric keypad buttons (1-8) to select the bank you want, and then hit the registration button to call up your desired registration.

It is very important to note that, if you have already started making changes/edits to the parameters, and then you call up a registration like I described above, you will erase all of your changes!  All the parameters you had been working on will simply be replaced by the ones in the registration you select.  So, if you want to edit a particular registration, you go through the steps above to call up that particular registration first, before editing any of the parameters.  And in fact, if you want to keep the registration independent of the style as I have described before, you want to hit the SONG button before that -- get the keyboard in SONG mode, and then call up the registration you want to edit.  Remember, if you hit the SONG button after you start changing your parameter settings, the act of hitting the SONG button may change some of the parameters you've already set.

Another important consideration is that if you change the registration bank (by hitting the bank button and then selecting bank 1 through 8 on the keypad), that action ALONE does NOT actually change the registration that is currently selected and playing -- you actually have to then select a registration after selecting a bank to change the registration.  In other words, let's say you have registration 3 of bank 2 playing.  Now, let's say you select bank 5 (by hitting the bank button, then hitting the number 5 on the keypad).  At that point, the original sound of registration 3 of bank 2 will still be the active registration playing, even though you've now changed to bank 5.  After selecting the new bank (bank 5, in this example), you then need to hit one of the four registration buttons to call up any of the registrations in bank 5.

This is actually a very useful feature that helps get more out of the way you can select registrations during a song.  Normally, when playing a song, you have direct, one-touch access to four registrations -- the four registration buttons -- in whatever bank you select.  While you can change banks while playing a song, that action requires several keystrokes and is often difficult to do in the middle of a song that you're playing live.  But, let's say you want to start a song with a particular registration in, say, bank 1, but then for the rest of the song, you want to use the registrations in bank 2.  Before you start playing the song, you can select bank 1 and call up the registration you want for the beginning of the song.  Then, before you start playing the song, just select bank 2 (hit the bank button, then hit the number 2 on the keypad) -- but do not yet hit a registration button.  At this point, you've preselected, or "armed" bank 2, but since you did not yet hit a registration button, the original registration that you selected in bank 1 is still active and playing.  So now, you can start playing your song with that original bank 1 registration, and then when it's time to call up one of your bank 2 registrations, you simply hit the registration button you want, and since you had already preselected bank 2, then you will get a registration in bank 2.

You also asked if you have to make sure the dual and split lights are on.  I assume that you mean the dual and split indicators on the LCD display screen.  Those indicators show if those modes are active for playing, so yes, while playing a song, if you want the dual voice to sound, then the dual voice indicator needs to be on, and if you want the split voice to be active, then the split indicator has to be on.  However, when you are just editing these parameters to set up a registration, those indicators do not need to be on.

You turn on and off the dual and split modes by just tapping the dual or split buttons, respectively.  If you push and hold down the dual or split buttons, instead of just tap them, then the keyboard will get you to the beginning of the list of those respective parameters for editing (changing the voice, volume, octave, pan, etc.), but that action (pushing and holding the button) will NOT change the on/off status of dual or split mode.

This brings up another important and interesting feature.  When you set up and save a registration, the status of whether dual mode or split mode is on or off is actually saved in the registration.  Therefore, if you want all the parts of the sound -- main, dual, and split -- to be active and playing when you first call up a registration, then you need to make sure that the dual and split indicators are on in the display before you save the registration.  And this leads to more flexibility in the way you can set up registrations.  You can set up a complex registration, but then save it with -- for example -- the dual voice switched off so that when you first call up the registration, it will be a simpler sound, but then while playing a song, you can tap the dual voice button to bring in the dual voice -- with all of the dual voice parameters you set up in the registration -- if you want a more complex sound at that part of the song.

For example, let's say you want a registration that is primarily a strings sound, but you want the option to bring in brass while playing a song.  You can set up a registration with a strings sound as the main voice and a brass sound as the dual voice -- and you can adjust all of the various parameters (volume, octave, pan, chorus, reverb, envelope, filter) to make these parts of the tone sound the way you want.  But then, before saving the registration, you would make sure that dual voice is switched off.  This way, once the registration is saved, when you call it back up, you'd get the strings sound.  But then, during a song, if you want to bring in a brass sound to join the strings, you simply tap the dual button, and now you'll have both strings and brass, with all of the parameters you set up for the brass sound!  If, at another point of the song, you just want strings again, you just tap the dual button again to turn the brass off.  This allows you to get more flexibility out of a single registration.

Again, I know this is a lot of information.  Let me know if you have any questions.

[Mick47]

Thats exactly what i was doing wrong .I would make changes and hit registry 1 to make sure it was the right area...bit paranoid about writing over an already saved registration. Great tip with the registrations being pre selected and ready to go...just hit the registrations. Not quite up to that yet...playing around with your other tip on adding a dual voice while playing. Leaving DUAL light off when registering but having a DUAL voice in the parameters is great to bring up...this is scary...starting to sound like i know partly what i'm doing.!!
Still a little confused as to why i hit SONG after the VOICE parameters are done...this keeps the same TEMPO when changing registrations? Is that the reason?
I understand that this whole process the excludes the ACCOMPANIANT feature...do you use this much?
The ARPEGGIO button...does that work on a SPLIT setting?
Think i've hassled you enough...thanks for that last post.

[SciNote]

Glad you're getting the hang of it!  And in no way is this a bother to me!  I can talk about the PSR-E433 all day long!

Concerning your question about the SONG mode...

This does not have to do with avoiding the auto-accompaniment.  It is to keep the style from changing when you go from one registration to another, whether you are using auto-accompaniment or not.  Yes, like you said, it allows you to keep the same tempo when going from one registration to another, but not just the tempo -- It keeps the entire style from changing.  Without doing this, individual registrations can be saved with their own style settings -- including the style number and the tempo.  If that data is stored in a registration, then if you select that registration, whatever style and tempo you had selected and were playing before will immediately change to whatever is stored in that registration.  Sometimes, that might be desirable.  For example, there could be a song that has style and/or tempo changes in the song -- an example of this is "Saturday in the Park", a 1972 song from the rock group Chicago.  Most of the song has a rock 4/4 rhythm, but there is a part in the middle where it goes to a 12/8 style, before going back to 4/4 again.  So, you could have a registration set up with a 4/4 style, and another one set up with a 12/8 style, and then you could easily go back and forth between the necessary styles with just the press of a registration button at the appropriate points while playing the song.  But of course, with only 32 registrations, it doesn't give you a lot of room to dedicate specific registrations to individual songs.  Of course, you could always use a flash drive to use more registrations.

Normally, I do not do this -- I do not store styles in the registrations.  I just set up the style and tempo for the song that I want to play, and then just use the registrations for changing the sounds that the keyboard plays (most of the songs I play have pretty basic backgrounds with a consistent tempo throughout the song).  So to do this, I have to make sure that no style gets stored in the registration, and that is done by making sure the keyboard is in SONG mode when a registration is saved instead of STYLE mode.  And that's why you hit the SONG button when setting up a registration -- if you do not want a style saved with the registration.

You mentioned hitting the SONG button after setting up your main voice parameters.  In reality, I don't think you have to -- or would want to -- hit the SONG button after setting up all of the main voice parameters.  Remember that when you hit the SONG button, it causes the keyboard to call up certain information about the song it retrieves, and this could change some of the parameters you set for your registration.  This is why you want to hit the SONG button as early in the registration set-up process as possible.  You would just hit the SONG button right after selecting your main voice -- just the voice number.  Then, after selecting the main voice number, you hit the SONG button, and then you set up the rest of your main voice parameters, like volume, octave, pan, and so on.  I believe this is how it works -- like I said, I have not done much creation of registrations from scratch recently (except the new 80's synth sound I posted) -- I have been mainly editing existing registrations that I have developed over the years.

By the way, not to make things more confusing, but I believe that instead of a style, you can set up a registration with a DJ pattern, if you want.  And I think that if you have a DJ pattern in a registration, but are using a style for the background to play a song, you can still call up that registration without affecting the style.  It would only change the background music if you were already playing with a DJ pattern set up and active.

You also asked about the arpeggio function.  This is a cool feature, though I have not used it much.  I think that if the split voice is off, then the arpeggio function applies to the whole keyboard.  But if the split function is on, then the arpeggio function is only active on the left-hand side of the split.  However, I do not know how using auto-accompaniment factors in to all of this.  I'll have to experiment with it.

[Mick47]

Sorry mate..plumbing disaster here today..fixed SONG query I see..will get back.
Mick

[Mick47]

Okay...all good SciNote..leave the style of the registrations.
Hit SONG after selecting a VOICE.
So for example I want to play 5 songs all with the same tempo I set say 026 Love Song..selecting my Tempo and off I go..If I hit DUAL on or off the tempo will kick along nicely
Hope you haven't already touched on this but ...is it possible to  set the. TEMPO if you don't include them in the Registration. .When I say 'set tempo I guess that can be achieved by repetitive uses..


Will have a play with DJ Patterns..probably a bit old school to want them but you never know.
How do I set up live controls in a registration or I don't?
Ta

[SciNote]

Yes, hitting SONG after selecting the main voice should allow you to set up the rest of your parameters, such the main voice volume, octave, pan, and so on -- as well as all your dual and split voice parameters, in such a way so that when you save it all in a registration, you can call up that registration without changing whatever style (including the style number and tempo) that you already have playing.  And this allows you to keep your style you set playing along while you change registrations -- whether you're changing registrations within a song, or changing registrations when playing a new song.  However, when you play a new song, you'll often want to set up a new style and tempo that matches the new song you want to play, anyway.

As far as simply turning dual voice on and off -- and even turning split voice on and off -- that will not change anything with the style, regardless of whether the registration is set to keep the currently playing style in place or not.  The concern about the style abruptly changing only applies to changing from one registration to another -- which is why you use the procedure with the SONG button when setting up a registration to keep it from affecting the currently playing style when you select it (assuming you do not want a style stored in a registration).  But the simple act of turning on or off the dual and split voices does not call up a new registration -- it only changes the current sound characteristics of the keyboard.  So, since a new registration isn't being called up, changing the on/off status of the dual and split voice will not affect the currently playing style number or tempo.

Live control knobs can, indeed, be set up for a registration.  As you likely know, the are five possible functions for the live control knobs: filter, reverb/chorus, envelope generator, style filter, and pan/stereo-wide function.  You select which function is active by repeatedly hitting the small white button near the knobs until the desired function is selected.  When you save a registration, whatever function is selected for the knobs is saved with the registration.  Therefore, you can have one registration have the knobs control, say, the filter, and another registration can control, say, the envelope generator.  And when these registrations are called up, the selected function of the knobs is also automatically set up.

Now, the actual positions of the knobs are not saved in a registration.  But for some of the functions, the parameters that you set with the knobs get saved.  For example, if you set the knobs to filter, and then adjust the cutoff and resonance, you will hear those changes to the sound, and internally, the keyboard is changing the cutoff and resonance parameters for the main and dual voices as you adjust the knobs.  Then, if you save that sound as a registration, those new filter cutoff and resonance values get saved in the registration.  Please note that as you change the cutoff and resonance with the live control knobs, while these parameters are updated internally, you will not see these values change numerically in the main and dual voice parameters until you save it all as a registration.  Then, when you call up this registration, you will see the new values in the parameters.

Also, keep in mind that when you adjust the filter, reverb, chorus, and envelope generator with the live control knobs, it adjusts those parameters for the main and dual voice at the same time, and then assigns the same values to both the main and dual voices.  I do not know if the reverb and chorus functions affect the split voice or not (of course, the split voice does not have the filter and envelope generator settings), but I would guess not.  I am also not sure if the style filter settings get saved if the registration does not save a style (again, I would guess not).  And the stereo-wide value does not get saved to a registration, and I doubt the pan value gets saved, either, though I have not checked this.  So, while the function of pan and stereo-wide, allowing the ability to adjust those functions with the knobs, can be saved in a registration, the actual values set by those knobs (or at least the stereo-wide value) does not get saved.

I did play around with the arpeggio function, and yes, it is possible to use the arpeggio along with the auto-accompaniment.  If you have all three -- auto-accompaniment, split voice, and arpeggio -- switched on, then when you have a style going and play chords with your left hand, you'll get the style's auto-accompaniment, and when you hold down the keys, you get the arpeggio with the split voice sound.  I have to experiment more with it to get more details, but it seems pretty versatile.

By the way, I hope everything went okay with the plumbing issue.

[Mick47]

Thanks again mate..all good. Plumbing problem  a work in progress.
I think I'm almost their...actually keyboard settings can get quite complex.
One thing I will be doing is moving the split point up a bit.
Like most players I use 4 fingers for chords.With it finishing at f# it's a couple of keys too short. To play say Am7 or B7 I am stepping over the split point and playing MAIN/DUAL voices.
I didn't think this would be possible as to play a C chord using extreme left hand side of the keyboard as it would be way to "muddy".Thanks to you I just adjust the octave setting and its fine.Of cours I could use inversions but too lazy I think.
Ta

[SciNote]

Yep, you can definitely change the split point to suit your playing style.  I'm not 100% sure by memory, but I believe the split point gets stored in a registration.  If so, then you'll need to make sure each registration is stored with the split point you want.  And, when you change the split point, you also affect the region of the keyboard where chords are played and interpreted for the auto-accompaniment function.

[Mick47]

SciNote..gone from mass confusion to some sense of clarity on the E433 ..Your knowledge is a credit to the forum.
No doubt I'll throw out more questions as time goes on.
Ta

[SciNote]

Thank you very much for your kind words!  Let me, and all of us here, know if you have any other questions.  Eventually, I'll post an audio sample of that revised 80's synth sound, and perhaps the settings for a few more registrations.  Other than 60's and rock, which would you like to see... Jazz?  Christmas music (including a grand pipe organ)?  Vangelis?  Let me know!