EDITING the new Genos DRUMMER for use in older keyboards

[DrakeM]

I have been replacing the Genos new sounding Drummer with patterns from similar styles found in the older keyboard styles. As you may have seen many of the Genos styles have a slightly different name but are just the Genos version with the new drummer. As with the TopChartCountry found on the Genos keyboard is simply the 70sChartCntry style. So it is easy to copy the drummer from the old style into the new Genos and then balance it all out.

Now a few times I have run into a style that has a very distinct pattern. You must use this pattern but you can't because you are hearing a "clicking sound" or sometimes worse like a "DJ record Swishing sound" that needs to be removed. You can remove the unwanted (and unneeded) odd sounds using the STYLE EDITOR on your keyboard. Go to the CHANNEL tab and by using the keys to the left of the screen change the Channel at the top left to read "CHANNEL: RHYTHM2".  Next EXIT (once) and then go back into the STYLE CREATOR and you will still be in the "CHANNEL: RHYTHM2" but you can then access the tab EDIT.

So now go to the tab to the left titled EDIT. Here you will see 5 columns of data. The 4th column is the VOLUME of each note. By simply moving down the column you can hear each notes sound, in this case it will be a drum or cymbal sound. Slowly go down the column and when you hear a CLICK or Swish sound, lower the VOLUME number to 1, and the bad sound is muted. The end result is a perfect drummer pattern.

If you are wanting that odd dinging, clicking, swishing  sound out of the style that will fix it for you.    

Regards
Drake

[Jørgen]

Hi

And if you prefer to edit this at the pc, check my "Single Note Volume Changer" software at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/singlenotevolume/index.htm 

The software will run at single or multiple files...

Jørgen

[Jeff Hollande]

Thank you, Joergen !

Jeff

[DrakeM]

Some additional information about the CLUNKY drum sounds that have to be muted. All the NOTES that you have to MUTE by turning their Volume to "1", all have a "-1" after the note.

Examples are:

D-1
C#-1
A-1 (this is a really common one to see)

My guess is these new notations are creating the drummers random variations for new Genos drummer program.

Regards
Drake

[jerryghr]

Thanks for the great tip.  Now I can get rid of some of those annoying hand claps in some of the good styles that I obtained in the past, but couldn't use.

Regards,

Jerryghr

[pjd]

Hi --

I've been studying the Revo drums while trying to do a few conversions myself.

I'm going to write a longer post for my blog, but suffice it to say, Yamaha have a new approach to hi hat programming. Yamaha are using the lower ("-1") notes for hi hat. Turns out, real drummers do a lot more than the standard simple open, closed, and pedal sounds. To do a good conversion, these notes should probably be remapped.

The lower notes are repurposed from things like SEQ click, etc. (the swooshes and noises.  )

They are also using sky high MIDI notes (C#5 and above) for further variations on snare, kick, etc. The sky high notes are unused in some earlier kits like StandardKit, but more recent kits (HipHop, BreakKit, AnalogXXXKit) use these notes as well.

-- pj

[XeeniX]

Hi,

As far as my (limited) knowledge goes most of the the "problems" lie in the lower and higher note event. Genos drumkits have way more drum sound and on top of that usually mapped in different places. Overall so to speak the mid range goes well more or less. I think that Mixmaster from Michael Bedesdem is the best suited to handle the drum re-mappings. It is in no way the easiest program to work with but that is not the fault of Mixmaster It is because Mixmaster is not a "click here and all your problems will be solved" kind of program. Since these kind of programs solve a few of the problems but will not solve everything and sometimes unintentionally even mess up other things. Mixmaster does not! When taking the time and when willing to deal with your mistakes you will be surprised at how easy it actually is to remap.

It still can be tricky to find a suitable replacement for a particular drum sound though. The trick is to find reasonable alternatives for sound like Hi Hat Edge JB 10, 25 and many more. In the Genos often located at the A#-1, F#-1 for example. In the T5 and below these note events have those funny scratchy sounds. Simply choosing another drum kit and picking a similar sound (and comprimising a lot :p ) will already render you a nice enough style. Finetuning by altering the velocity for notes like C#1, D1 etc (from experience) is quite easy in mixmaster as well. Those events tend to dominate in volume in a few kits when replaced with their counterparts from older keyboards. In Mixmaster you can bring all identical notes velocity (volume) down to let's say 80% in one go.

Some styles are easy to convert and some aren't and that is not even because of the drum mappings. I found  it pretty tough on voices. Like a left voices that won't sound at all not even if you replace it with a known voice. That might be due to some missing effects. I'm no expert whatsoever. I just like to dig in, deduce, puzzle and experiment and by that sometimes surprising myself
It's not only the result that counts.... Often the journey itself is educational and thus rewarding. Even when it s not working out the way you like, it will still help you with the next one. I didn't look at the EDM and Dance styles yet from Genos since I suspect they will be really challenging IF at all possible It's not my style of music but I bet guys like Jan and Joe H will perhaps be able to turn them into nice alternatives if they wanted to

As said I'm in NO way an expert but I've converted quite a few Genos styles already to pretty decent styles for my Tyros 5 (at least for my taste). If you would like some insight, help while trying to convert a style of your own (after all taste is a personal thing), let me know. If time permits I will help (as far as my knowledge uh an patience reaches)

I apologize upfront for my typos English is not my native language and I tend to have a natural talent for these :p

regards,
Peter

[jm]

Thank you very much guys!!!  Very interesting & helpful!
Kind regards
jm