Are Genos 2 styles bang up to date for modern tunes.

[mikf]

There is no doubt that Genos can be a very creative tool......but my guess is that for every 5 Genos sold to people who want to use them this way, there are 95 sold to people who want to play exactly the kind of music supported by the on board styles.
I say it again, Yamaha are not missing anything, they know this market.
Mike

[Curry Noodle]

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There are styles for 3 Madonna songs, 2 Prince songs, 2 Ed Sheeran, 1 Led Zeppelin (Kashmir), 1 Black eyed Peas (I've got a Feeling), not to mention at least a couple of Queen Songs (found 3 so far), Supertramp, Van Halen, Elton John...

Didn't find Genesis (yet), but there are a Peter Gabriel, and quite a few Phil Collins songs though!
I didn't find any Bowie or Pink Floyd, no. But maybe those who are more familiar with their catalogs could help?

Mark

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Genos is loaded with Rumbas, Cha-Chas, Schlargers, Umpah Umpas, Waltz's and elevator music - er... I mean 'easy listening' and there are a grand total of 2 Prince styles, 1 Led Zep, 1 BEP, and maybe 4 or 5 others? 

Its high time Yamaha got rid of the plethora of old peoples home classics that infest and detract from Genos being the serious and proper inspirational creative instrument it should and deserves to be.

The world of music moved on a long time ago and it is unfathomable that many of our greatest influences are seldom if ever represented. There should be default access to a minimum of 10 styles from artists who have shaped or are shaping the world of music, such as the following:

Bowie
Beatles
Paul McCartney
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Yes
Steve Wilson
Kate Bush
edgy jazz funk
Billy Eilish
Avante guard
Deep Purple
Bob Dylan
Yes
Rick Wakeman
Taylor Swift
Lady Ga Ga
John Williams
specific great movie composers
Sting
Gentle Giant
Foo Fighters
Marillion
Rachmaninoff
Elgar
Beethoven
Jimi Hendrix
Santana
Frank Zappa
Stevie Wonder
Eagles

etc etc etc

[Christophermoment]

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Genos is loaded with Rumbas, Cha-Chas, Schlargers, Umpah Umpas, Waltz's and elevator music - er... I mean 'easy listening' and there are a grand total of 2 Prince styles, 1 Led Zep, 1 BEP, and maybe 4 or 5 others? 

Its high time Yamaha got rid of the plethora of old peoples home Classics that infest and detract from Genos being the serious and proper inspirational creative instrument it should and deserves to be.

The world of music moved on a long time ago and it is unfathomable that many of our greatest influences are seldom if ever represented. There should be default access to a minimum of 10 styles from artists who have shaped or are shaping the world of music, such as the following:

Bowie
Beatles
Paul McCartney
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Yes
Steve Wilson
Kate Bush
edgy jazz funk
Billy Eilish
Avante guard
Deep Purple
Bob Dylan
Yes
Rick Wakeman
Taylor Swift
Lady Ga Ga
John Williams
specific great movie composers
Sting
Gentle Giant
Foo Fighters
Marillion
Rachmaninoff
Elgar
Beethoven
Jimi Hendrix
Santana
Frank Zappa
Stevie Wonder
Eagles

etc etc etc

You forgot to put; 'In Your Opinion' . It would seem that most players might disagree. Yamaha have supplied an instrument that can be and is used creatively. You don't really need a style specifically made for a song/tune to get your creative juices flowing, just talent. 

[KurtAgain]

There is a saying in German:

Whoever pays for the music decides what is played.
(Wer die Musik bezahlt, bestimmt, was gespielt wird.)

Yamaha, and also Korg, obviously know that in this case it is to be taken literally.

Kurt

[Divemaster]

Styles are what you make them, and if you have the G2 there is adequate scope to make your own styles or adapt the provided styles and tailor them to your own preference.

You say "Old people's home Classics"
Well , a heck of a large number of the styles you get are suitable for some of the greatest names and biggest hitting rock stars in music performance.
Rolling Stones
Status Quo
Black Sabbath
Beach Boys
Searchers
Iron Maiden
and many many others.

These are what us "old people" grew up with.
These acts could wipe the floor with many of today's wanabee players, and we enjoy playing their music.
You will get old one day... I guarantee you'll play your favourites too...

Young players of today have an incredible choice of keyboards, synths, DAW, etc etc.
It's all about enjoying what you play and using your arranger or other keyboard to discover all it's capabilities. What comes in the box is just the bare bones of your musical journey. It's up to you as the player to explore, change and use the settings and your own imagination and talent to make it "your" keyboard.

Keith.

[BogdanH]

You forgot to put; 'In Your Opinion' . It would seem that most players might disagree. Yamaha have supplied an instrument that can be and is used creatively. You don't really need a style specifically made for a song/tune to get your creative juices flowing, just talent. 

I agree on that. Arranger keyboard is not a karaoke machine for playing P.Floyd, B.Dylan, D.Bowie, ABBA, etc. It's a tool on which we can create arrangement/accompaniment for every song we wish to play and that guarantees that our performance is unique (in good and bad way).

Preset styles are only examples for learning/practicing. Yes, it can happen that some style can be used for practicing P.McCartney's "Mull of Kintyre" (after we make some adjustments), but that should be seen as a coincidence -we shouldn't expect that there will be a style for every McCartney's song.

Let's just say that there would be original Mull of Kintyre preset style... trust me, in that case I would never ever used that style. Simply because I would know, that every Yamaha owner is playing this song in exactly the same way -so why even bother.

Just my 2c,
Bogdan

[DrakeM]

I have only heard of about 5 of the people on that list Curry posted and the rest I don't know any song by the rest of them.

The Beatles and Dylan are dead I think from the 60s that is OLD OLD stuff.

New stuff is something from the last 20 years.

As has been stated ... you can make your own song style yourself mixing style parts from all the STYLES yamaha has put out over the years with no problem.
You just need to take a bit of time to learn to use the STYLE CREATOR that the keyboard has. It's included for a reason .. and now you know what it is there for. 

Good Luck learning to use it and come back to the forum if you get stuck.

Drake

[Amwilburn]

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Genos is loaded with Rumbas, Cha-Chas, Schlargers, Umpah Umpas, Waltz's and elevator music - er... I mean 'easy listening' and there are a grand total of 2 Prince styles, 1 Led Zep, 1 BEP, and maybe 4 or 5 others? 

Its high time Yamaha got rid of the plethora of old peoples home Classics that infest and detract from Genos being the serious and proper inspirational creative instrument it should and deserves to be.

The world of music moved on a long time ago and it is unfathomable that many of our greatest influences are seldom if ever represented. There should be default access to a minimum of 10 styles from artists who have shaped or are shaping the world of music, such as the following:

Bowie
Beatles
Paul McCartney
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Yes
Steve Wilson
Kate Bush
edgy jazz funk
Billy Eilish
Avante guard
Deep Purple
Bob Dylan
Yes
Rick Wakeman
Taylor Swift
Lady Ga Ga
John Williams
specific great movie composers
Sting
Gentle Giant
Foo Fighters
Marillion
Rachmaninoff
Elgar
Beethoven
Jimi Hendrix
Santana
Frank Zappa
Stevie Wonder
Eagles

etc etc etc

Again, you're including a lot of names that are *already* in the G2 styles lists; Taylor Swift, Beatles, Deep Purple, Lady Gaga, Santana, Eagles, Sting (& also The Police), John Williams, by specific composers, did you mean Hans Zimmer?  (in fact, other than Deep purple, there have been styles for all these artists since G1, Santana & Stevie Wonder since T1 - T2!)

No Foo Fighters that I saw, but Nirvana is there. But most of what you just complained was missing is *already* there, though. And I'd never heard of Steve Wilson, Marillion (but a quick check on youtube shows they both sound pretty good!), Gentle Giant or Avant Garde. But Rick Wakeman was more a composer, so you can count him in the Elton John (and Bowie if we every figure out which are)

But "Edgy Jazz funk" is a genre not an artist, "Specific Great Movie Composers" are already there, Rachmaninoff you could use the orchestral styles (not to mention the ones from the russian orchestral pack).


You should probably check out the Genos 2 playlist *before* you complain about something not being there (that already is): as per this thread
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,67771.0/topicseen.html

if you go near the bottom of the page, you'll see DrakeM has even typed up a spreadsheet, so you can easily see songs the above mentioned artists.

Hi Stijn

I took your information and put it into an excel spreadsheet.

Here is a link to the spreadsheet:

https://app.box.com/s/2gq645g3wq59sgmq7mlbr3a1me5l7zzp

I can now search each style by NAME using the EDIT tab and going to the FIND and REPLACE option. I can then enter "country" and have all the COUNTRY styles show up. I can also enter "countryrock" and just the songs that use that style name will show up.

I am currently using this method to figure out what the NEW Genos 2 "POP" styles are supposed to sound like. I go over to YouTube and listen to the song there and I have a better idea of what voices are to be used in the styles with my PSR-S950 Keyboard.

Drake

There *is* a lack of prog rock styles though.

That's what sites like
https://www.styles4k.com
https://prostylemusic.net/shop/

are for


Mark

[rattley]

Greetings!!

A few months ago someone here posted some excellent advice. In discussion was using song-specific styles and how not to be to repetitive using them. The advice was to never use the obvious style made for that song, but to use a similar style. Listen carefully  and make that alternate style provide a different counter-melody than was anticipated by not only the player, but the audience too. I've been looking for more variety playing genres I normally don't. It's so easy to change stuff on the fly and some of my results astound me!!  -charley