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Started by rough, March 22, 2024, 12:37:21 AM

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rough

Does anybody know how does the left-hand accompaniment chords system work for this entry level instruments series?
In some videos it seems that one-finger chords are supported, in others it seems you need to play the full chord.
The manual doesn't specify this.
And it seems there's no smart chord key selection function so that how some people are using just one finger to play the full chord?
Thanks
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SciNote

I checked online for the manual for the PSR-F51, and I must admit, unless I'm missing something, the information about automatic chords seems pretty thin in this manual.  There is the following statement in the section on styles...

"The Styles add excitement to your performance—
giving you authentic, automatic backing in a wide
variety of music genres. Just play chords (or even single-
note chords) with your left hand, and enjoy the
accompaniment of a full band behind you!"

So, it does mention the possibility of "single-note chords", but does not give details about how they work.  If I had to guess, it probably works like the single-finger chords on the E-series keyboards, but I have no direct experience with this keyboard.  If it does work like the E-series, then playing a single note in the left-hand chord part of the keyboard gives you a major chord, playing a note and the closest black key below that note gives you the minor chord of the top note you're playing, playing a note and the closest white key below that note gives you the 7th chord of the top note you're playing, and playing a note and the closest black and white keys (together) below that note gives you the minor-7th chord of the top note you're playing.

And, again if it is like the E-series, the keyboard would automatically recognize if you're playing an actual chord, and act accordingly.  In other words, if you're playing one of the single-notes or 2 or 3 note clusters I described above, you get the "easy-play" chords.  But if you play an actual chord, such as C, Eb, and G for C minor, or D, F#, and A for D major, then the keyboard will recognize that chord and give you a style accompaniment with that chord when you have a style playing, and it should recognize the different inversions of these chords, as well.  Again, this is all speculation.  I would recommend trying this out yourself to be sure before buying the keyboard.

One other thing.  On the E-series keyboards, there is an accompaniment on/off button, and when you have accompaniment off, it allows you to play the whole keyboard as normal (no automatic instrumental style backing or easy-play chords), but still have the drums of the style play.  It seems that this function is done with the "mute" button on the F51.  Apparently, if you turn on a style, it automatically has auto-accompaniment and easy-play chords activated.  But if you then hit the "mute" button, it turns off the automatic backing accompaniment and easy-play chords to allow the full length of the keyboard to be played normally, but still allows you to play along with the drums of the style.  From the manual:

"Mute the instrumental backing of the Style and
play only the rhythm. While a Style is playing,
press the [MUTE] button. This also lets you play over
the full range of the keyboard while the drums/per-
cussion are playing. To restore full Style playback,
press the [MUTE] button again and play a chord in
the auto accompaniment section of the keyboard."
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

overover

Quote from: rough on March 22, 2024, 12:37:21 AM
Does anybody know how does the left-hand accompaniment chords system work for this entry level instruments series?
In some videos it seems that one-finger chords are supported, in others it seems you need to play the full chord.

The manual doesn't specify this.
And it seems there's no smart chord key selection function so that how some people are using just one finger to play the full chord?
Thanks

Hi rough,

Such keyboards (where you cannot switch between different fingering types) use the "Multi Finger" fingering type (can also be set on PSR-S/SX, Tyros and Genos, for example).

This fingering type combines "Fingered" and "Single Finger" types. So you can play all chords with 3 or more fingers, or alternatively you can play the following chords with the "Single Finger" method:


Major chord: root note only (e.g. C major = C key only)

Dominant Seventh chord: root note + next white piano key to its left (e.g. C7 = C + B keys)

Minor chord: root + next black piano key to its left (e.g. Cm = C + Bb keys)

Minor Seventh chord: root + next white AND black keys to its left (e.g. Cm7 = C + B + Bb keys)


See also the attached screenshot (from Genos2 Reference Manual).


Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

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rough

Thanks a lot @SciNote and @overover.
Very useful information.
The chord system on the F51 turned out being exactly as you described.
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Toril S

Too bad the F51 is not touch sensitive, but otherwise it is a very nice keyboard!
Toril S

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and PSR-47.
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