Genos2/YEM - Wish/Bug List

[Akki]

Hi Akki,

You cannot "copy" Expansion Voices to the User drive because "Copy" is not available in the File menu of the Expansion folder. But you can "save" the currently loaded Expansion Voice using "File > Save" to the User drive.

The advantage of the previously suggested method (USB Storage Mode) is that you can copy as many voice files (or other files) as you want at once.


Best regards,
Chris

Noticed that yes Thanks C!!!!

Speaking of that, if I copy voices to user (via storage) and edit them, I understand that I can put them back later to expansion folder (via storage mode) so they are available on G2, BUT, am I able to have those changes available in YEM for further editing?

[overover]

Noticed that yes Thanks C!!!!

Speaking of that, if I copy voices to user (via storage) and edit them, I understand that I can put them back later to expansion folder (via storage mode) so they are available on G2, BUT, am I able to have those changes available in YEM for further editing?

Thanks for your quick feedback, Akki!

Expansion Voices (Voice files) that were copied from the Expansion folder to the User drive can be edited just like other User Voices (i.e. like Preset Voices copied to the User drive). Please note that User Voices can only be used in Keyboard Parts (Right1-3, Left), but not in Styles, Multi Pads and MIDI files.

However, I think it makes no sense to copy edited User Voices from Expansion Voices from the User drive back into the Expansion folder, because with a new pack installation these edited Voices would be replaced by the original Pack Voices.

To permanently edit Expansion Voices, you would have to do this directly in YEM. However, this only works with non-protected (.ppf) packs, and the voice in question must not be locked in YEM.

Simply leave edited User Voices where they are (in User drive or on USB stick) and use them from there as desired (as I said, only possible in Keyboard Parts).

By the way, if you use a User Voice in a Keyboard Part and memorize it in a Registration, the path to the User Voice will also be saved in the Registration, but the Voice settings will be memorized directly in the Registration. This means that if you edit the User Voice later, the sound of the Registration would not change. And even if you delete the User Voice, the Registration would still work.


Best regards,
Chris

[Akki]

Thanks for your quick feedback, Akki!

Expansion Voices (Voice files) that were copied from the Expansion folder to the User drive can be edited just like other User Voices (i.e. like Preset Voices copied to the User drive). Please note that User Voices can only be used in Keyboard Parts (Right1-3, Left), but not in Styles, Multi Pads and MIDI files.

However, I think it makes no sense to copy edited User Voices from Expansion Voices from the User drive back into the Expansion folder, because with a new pack installation these edited Voices would be replaced by the original Pack Voices.

To permanently edit Expansion Voices, you would have to do this directly in YEM. However, this only works with non-protected (.ppf) packs, and the voice in question must not be locked in YEM.

Simply leave edited User Voices where they are (in User drive or on USB stick) and use them from there as desired (as I said, only possible in Keyboard Parts).

By the way, if you use a User Voice in a Keyboard Part and memorize it in a Registration, the path to the User Voice will also be saved in the Registration, but the Voice settings will be memorized directly in the Registration. This means that if you edit the User Voice later, the sound of the Registration would not change. And even if you delete the User Voice, the Registration would still work.


Best regards,
Chris

Noted and understood!

[musicman100]

Expansion Voices (Voice files) that were copied from the Expansion folder to the User drive can be edited just like other User Voices (i.e. like Preset Voices copied to the User drive). Please note that User Voices can only be used in Keyboard Parts (Right1-3, Left), but not in Styles, Multi Pads and MIDI files.

I dont understand this . I took a preset voice edited it saved it to the user memory and used in a style and recorded it in a midi file. . i will try it on multi pad and when you say midi file do you mine to replace a voice?

maybe I misunderstood you.?

[overover]

I dont understand this . I took a preset voice edited it saved it to the user memory and used in a style and recorded it in a midi file. . i will try it on multi pad and when you say midi file do you mine to replace a voice?

maybe I misunderstood you.?

Hi musicman100,

I'll try to explain it again in more detail:

If you use a User Voice (i.e. a Preset or Expansion voice edited in "Voice Edit" that you have saved in the User drive or on the USB stick before) to revoice a MIDI file, a Style or a MIDI Multi Pad, the edited Voice Set parameters are ignored. This means that the voice will sound exactly like the original Preset or Expansion Voice. You will only hear the voice including the edits made when loaded into a KEYBOARD part (Right/Left).

It's completely different if you record a MIDI file. If you use an edited voice (User Voice) in a Keyboard part (e.g. in Right 1), or you have previously saved changes to the voice used in a Registration, this voice will of course be saved with the current settings in the MIDI file recorded. The edited Voice Set parameters of the User Voice are written directly to the MIDI file during recording. When this MIDI file is later played back, the original Preset Voice is first called up, and then the edited Voice Set parameters, also stored in the MIDI file, are applied to this Preset Voice. (With the result that it sounds exactly the same as when it was recorded.)


Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

[diarmot]

I don't know where to post this. Just a heads up. I received my G2. The voices were great and was looking forward to playing. I was never a piano player nor a keyboard player until I bought my first PSR. I played sax semiprofessionally as a teenager and in my 20's. I later played Irish traditional music, (Irish pipes and penny whistle). So I use auto chords rather than full left hand playing. However, I soon discovered a problem that I didn't have with my G1. The three intros worked fine and the three endings sounded good. However, 4 background chords were like a drone with a dirge like beat. I went thru checking about 40 of the styles and the same thing happened. I did a system reset, uploaded the updated system file. But still had the problem. I contacted Yamaha customer service and got a so, so response. Finally, they told me to return it to the dealer, nothing more, to get a replacement or repair it. Luckily, my dealer is a great person (my third Yamaha keyboard from him). He made it easy to return it, possibly difficult since I live in West Coast and my dealer is from the East Coast. Anyway, if you don't use the auto chords better check that function works so you can get it repaired or replaced. I understand this problem is pretty uncommon, but I would guess I'm not the only one.

Followup: Finally got the G2 repacked and sent off to Illinois. It was a task since both my wife I and aren't young anymore. I have a feeling I won't be seeing it back for a while. Initially, I had taken my G1 off the stand and replaced it with the G2. In the process I had apparently taken out the external USB. In the interim I put the G1 back on the stand, pluged it put, what I thought was the correct USB and now I have lost all of my 40-50 play lists. Anyone have any idea of a way I can get them back. I tried a couple of different USB's that were by the G! but none work. So any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

2 days ago I received a new G2 from my dealer, about 2 weeks after I sent the initial one back to Yamaha. This one works well. I have to give a big thanks to my dealer (Frank@sufioptovy.com) for taking care of the issue. My third keyboard from him. He's really good guy and always takes care of his customers from the purchase to any follow up issues.

[ton37]

FEATURE WISH LIST:

• Assignable Function: for instantly selecting a Registration Bank

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I don't understand this wish, so perhaps one can explain or reference what the actual 'problem' is. Because I think this is already integrated into the Genos2, right? You can simply assign a 'pre-programmed' registration to one of the three assignable buttons. I don't find this solution very practical/efficient because you lose one of the 9 assignable buttons? It would be better, for example, to program Memory-10 as a 'start/panic' memory button and have it constantly appear in your memory banks. Job done, right!? Finally, you have 14 memory locations (including 4 OTS), compared to 9 assignable locations. But hey, everyone has their own workflow, but ... Jm2c.

[terryB]

Hey Ton can you really do that, use an assignable button to access a given memory bank ? That will be great . When I re-do my set up for G2, my setups will be stored in the memory bank stored in the assigned button. I know many users set up this way already, but on switch on you must have to hunt for the  bank holding the setup. It will be good to do it with one button.

Cheers Terry

[Akki]

I don't understand this wish, so perhaps one can explain or reference what the actual 'problem' is. Because I think this is already integrated into the Genos2, right? You can simply assign a 'pre-programmed' registration to one of the three assignable buttons. I don't find this solution very practical/efficient because you lose one of the 3 assignable buttons. It would be better, for example, to program Memory-10 as a 'start/panic' memory button and have it constantly appear in your memory banks. Job done, right!? Finally, you have 14 memory locations (including 4 OTS), compared to 3 assignable locations. But hey, everyone has their own workflow, but ... Jm2c.

Hmm, I still can't find this option... Just note, we need to assign whole bank go one of the assignable buttons.
If you don't mind explaining how you do it.

[ton37]

Yes you can  See the G2 in itself (press Direct Access and One of the 3 assignable buttons, and make your choice on the last line (1,2 or 3)) or see the Reference Manual: page 141  - it's Easy peasy 

[Akki]

Yes you can  See the G2 in itself (press Direct Access and One of the 3 assignable buttons) or see the Reference Manual: page 141  - it's Easy peasy 

I can only see and am able to assign one of 10 registrations from selected bank if I'm now mistaking, bug calling whole bank selecting one of the Asignables I cannot see that option.

[ton37]

That's why I asked to make it a little clearer what exactly people want with this 'wish'... if this doesn't help?

[Akki]

That's why I asked to make it a little clearer what exactly people want with this 'wish'... if this doesn't help?

Sorry for misunderstanding

[Amwilburn]

• Ability to add Expansion Pack Sounds to the Favourites

BUGS:

• Stop saved (in reg) Multipad when Registration is changed. ex. If you have 2 regi, one with MP started, and another with MP stopped, selecting the 2nd reg does not stop the MP (from 1st reg) as expected

Good day group,

Alas, both of those have always been issues. Even going back 20 years, a new reg wouldn't automatically stop a MP from playing. The solution was (and still is) to put a blank MP in the new reg and launch it with the new reg.

I *am* glad they fixed not being able to chord step record with user styles (now available again in Genos 2, after being bafflingly absent in G1, despite being on all previous Yamaha arrangers since at least 2003, most likely earlier)

What I would like them to fix now? To really take advantage of the new G2 sounds and reverb; previously Yamaha had a feature where if you had a GM/XG midi file, you could set an option for it to automatically grab newer, better versions of the voices within the file. I can't remember what it was called, but it's on the CVP309 which I'll need to go home and check.

I'd like to see that premise extended to as an option to styles and registrations; yes the G2 sounds better, but old reg's sound the same on the G2 (calling up old voice sets, fx, etc); but the auto voice select thing from before would have selected the better versions of everything (except drums for some reason... I'd like it to autoselect newer drums). Again, that should be an option, not mandatory; So far all of my G1 and earlier registrations work on G2, but if they call up the exact same voice /fx list, they will sound the *same* (which is they way backwards compatibility with registrations has always worked)

To *really* show off the G2, I've had to slowly go through each reg, one at a time, and call up new versions of reverb, drum kits, and new voices at each registration to really show off the difference. Which is ridiculously time consuming (and anyone who thinks waiting another 5-6 years for the G3 will magically fix that; you'd just have to do the same thing when that eventually arrives).

Of course, posting about it here does nothing, we have to actually submit to our respective Yamaha support websites (and maybe Ideascale)

Mark

[ton37]

Hey Ton can you really do that, use an assignable button to access a given memory bank ? That will be great . When I re-do my set up for G2, my setups will be stored in the memory bank stored in the assigned button. I know many users set up this way already, but on switch on you must have to hunt for the  bank holding the setup. It will be good to do it with one button.

Cheers Terry

you reserve your Memory 10 (which you have made to your own need) in each bank (and always copy nr. 10 into a new bank) as a 'panic' memory (in case 'something' goes wrong, the keyboard is reset to the initial status) So as soon as it is necessary you press memory 10 and you are still in the register bank you were playing in. I don't know if this will help you because I don't know exactly what the 'wish' refers to? Jm2c

[Akki]

To *really* show off the G2, I've had to slowly go through each reg, one at a time, and call up new versions of reverb, drum kits, and new voices at each registration to really show off the difference. Which is ridiculously time consuming (and anyone who thinks waiting another 5-6 years for the G3 will magically fix that; you'd just have to do the same thing when that eventually arrives).

This is great point.
I have also noticed that even in YEM you can't assing any of new effects (if I'm not mistaking?) , and that's all completely different story... YEM is big time outdated.

[Akki]

I don't know where to post this. Just a heads up. I received my G2. The voices were great and was looking forward to playing. I was never a piano player nor a keyboard player until I bought my first PSR. I played sax semiprofessionally as a teenager and in my 20's. I later played Irish traditional music, (Irish pipes and penny whistle). So I use auto chords rather than full left hand playing. However, I soon discovered a problem that I didn't have with my G1. The three intros worked fine and the three endings sounded good. However, 4 background chords were like a drone with a dirge like beat. I went thru checking about 40 of the styles and the same thing happened. I did a system reset, uploaded the updated system file. But still had the problem. I contacted Yamaha customer service and got a so, so response. Finally, they told me to return it to the dealer, nothing more, to get a replacement or repair it. Luckily, my dealer is a great person (my third Yamaha keyboard from him). He made it easy to return it, possibly difficult since I live in West Coast and my dealer is from the East Coast. Anyway, if you don't use the auto chords better check that function works so you can get it repaired or replaced. I understand this problem is pretty uncommon, but I would guess I'm not the only one.

Sorry to hear about problems you had...
I wonder if you got replacement G2 and if problem you described still exists, or it was only that unit issue?
Anyone else can 2nd this?

[Des O]

Not sure what you should make of this but seen on another forum regarding G2 -
"A new update to the operating system is being prepared for Genos2 which will include an FM editor and the memory will be increased more, currently it is still being tested by many users worldwide and data and reviews are being collected from the most skilled users for that Genos2 will become the most desired keyboard in the world in the future!"

Make of that what you will.

[ton37]

Tnx.: Yeah, first see and then believe... make sure you manage your expectations well... Keep the line between fairy tales and reality well separated 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

I agree with Akki.
What is the point in the DX engine if you only get the basic set of sounds

[DerekA]

As long as it includes the original Refs Whistle patch, what else could you possibly want ...?

[Akki]

Not sure what you should make of this but seen on another forum regarding G2 -
"A new update to the operating system is being prepared for Genos2 which will include an FM editor and the memory will be increased more, currently it is still being tested by many users worldwide and data and reviews are being collected from the most skilled users for that Genos2 will become the most desired keyboard in the world in the future!"

Make of that what you will.

That indeed sounds great, and it is expected.
Thanks Yamaha!

[lut112]

On the wishlist for Genos 2, a request for a minimum 8 multi-channel audio interface similar to Yamaha Modx

[Akki]

On the wishlist for Genos 2, a request for a minimum 8 multi-channel audio interface similar to Yamaha Modx

Thanks Lut.
Can someone please 2nd this so we can put it on the list?

[ton37]

Or does this mean a 'wishlist'-point for the Genos 3? I cannot imagine that this can be changed in software(update) without hardware intervention? Or am I mistaken?

[Akki]

Or does this mean a 'wishlist'-point for the Genos 3? I cannot imagine that this can be changed in software(update) without hardware intervention? Or am I mistaken?

Good point ton, that is why I asked if someone can 2nd this. We are still on G2 wish list

[musicman100]

What I would like them to fix now? To really take advantage of the new G2 sounds and reverb; previously Yamaha had a feature where if you had a GM/XG midi file, you could set an option for it to automatically grab newer, better versions of the voices within the file. I can't remember what it was called, but it's on the CVP309 which I'll need to go home and check.

I'd like to see that premise extended to as an option to styles and registrations; yes the G2 sounds better, but old reg's sound the same on the G2 (calling up old voice sets, fx, etc); but the auto voice select thing from before would have selected the better versions of everything (except drums for some reason... I'd like it to autoselect newer drums). Again, that should be an option, not mandatory; So far all of my G1 and earlier registrations work on G2, but if they call up the exact same voice /fx list, they will sound the *same* (which is they way backwards compatibility with registrations has always worked)


Mark

Yes it was on the cvp 407 aswell. It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on tyhe midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!

Was a great idea so quick better then manual changing all the voices!!!

[Akki]

It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on the midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file,  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!
Was a great idea so quick better than manual changing all the voices!!!

That indeed was hell of onboard tool!

[Amwilburn]

Yes it was on the cvp 407 aswell. It was called Song Auto Revoice and you could decide what voice you want to replace the one on tyhe midi file.
So if it was a piano in the midi file  you could say replace it with the CFX piano !!

Was a great idea so quick better then manual changing all the voices!!!

Thanks, the name escaped me, but it was nice checking a single option and boom, all your midi files chose the best version of each voice.
I'd like a style and registration auto revoice! (and auto re-DSP) because man, all the old G1 registrations work fine and dandy on G2, but actually taking advantage of the new sounds and fx, is more daunting & time-consuming than before!

Mark

[Akki]

Added "Dynamic control setting bug" to the list in main post - Reference Thread - https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,67758.0.html