Will Genos follow the Tyros path?

[guitpic1]

When Tyros came out there were models 1 through 5 over time.

I wonder if Genos will follow the same path?

[EileenL]

Possibly. Far to early to tell.

[Gunnar Jonny]

..... I wonder if Genos will follow the same path?

Or, will G2 be the end of story regarding AutocompArrangerKeyboards as we know them?   

[Toril S]

I think autocomp  keyboards will be available for many years to come, but I think the PSR models will sell more. The flagship is not affordable for all any more.

[Danny1972]

When Tyros came out there were models 1 through 5 over time.

I wonder if Genos will follow the same path?

Every era is different, when the T1 was released you still had Roland, GEM, Technics & all the current brands so I'd suspect Yamaha released arrangers more frequently then to keep the interest going over the competition.

But since there's only 3 major players left & with how advanced arrangers have become I don't know if the trajectory will be the same as back then. I can't see any of the 3 replacing their current top arrangers in the next 5 years especially when a lot can be achieved with OS updates alone.

[DrakeM]

The price of the Tyros/Genos series line has gone up just a little over 4% per year.
     * Tyros 2 (2005) list cost $2700
The PSR/SX series line has gone up a little less than 3% per year.
      * PSR S950 (2014) list cost $2500

Inflation alone averages 3.5% the pricing seems in line, considering the improvements made with each newer model.

The Genos 2 is a great keyboard but it is not practical to carry around and set up to use at gigs, at least at my age. 

Yamaha must be marketing the G2 to at home retired users.

[Danny1972]

The Genos 2 is a great keyboard but it is not practical to carry around and set up to use at gigs, at least at my age. 

Yamaha must be marketing the G2 to at home retired users.

It does surprise me a little that there wasn't at least a 61 version, but I guess it could be because it would directly affect the SX900 and any future PSR model.

[mikf]

I think autocomp  keyboards will be available for many years to come, but I think the PSR models will sell more. The flagship is not affordable for all any more.

You are right, but it's not because the Genos is not affordable, as price adjusted for inflation on TOTL models hasn't significantly changed. I think it's because the technology curve has plateaued and the difference between models narrowed, and is now mostly based on adding features to the TOTL models that don't always matter that much to the original core buyers of arrangers. In fact, it's even possible that the core buyer likes a less complicated keyboard. And, of course, price difference matters.
Mike

[wersiplayer]

You are right, but it's not because the Genos is not affordable, as price adjusted for inflation on TOTL models hasn't significantly changed. I think it's because the technology curve has plateaued and the difference between models narrowed, and is now mostly based on adding features to the TOTL models that don't always matter that much to the original core buyers of arrangers. In fact, it's even possible that the core buyer likes a less complicated keyboard. And, of course, price difference matters.
Mike

Let also not forget the posibilities we have now over the 80, and 90. Computers then where not at pair to connect to a keyboard. Now you can hook up a midi keyboard to almost every computer and play what you want and at a fraction of the price of a top of the bill keyboard and even better (lots of lots better for those who knows)

[Divemaster]

I think autocomp  keyboards will be available for many years to come, but I think the PSR models will sell more. The flagship is not affordable for all any more.

I think you're right Toril, and it's one reason I stuck with my Yamaha 2x PSR-SX700 models.

I have since bought a Korg Pa5X, and for me, not primarily the affordability, although definitely a factor but the build quality was certainly streets ahead.
When I compared the G2 and my Korg, the G2 just didn't stack up for me at all. It looked plasticky. .
So I would want to see a substantially better build quality from Yamaha.

Keith

[BogdanH]

Let also not forget the posibilities we have now over the 80, and 90. Computers then where not at pair to connect to a keyboard...

Just an interesting fact... Atari ST released in 1985 (~$800) had MIDI IN/OUT built-in connection:


I had Atari ST and I can only say, it was the best computer at that time -Intel/IBM was way, way behind.

Bogdan

[Divemaster]

I had a Atari St too Bogdan.

It was my, and my children's first excursion into the world of computing.
It was a brilliant concept at the time.

[Roger Brenizer]

I still have 2 Atari 800s and 2 Atari STs, including all the peripherals, Keith.

[Divemaster]

Which proves very definitely Roger that we are men of taste!   

A very Happy 2024 to you and yours.

Keith.

[BogdanH]

Wow, Keith and Roger 
-then you know what I'm talking about when I say it was way ahead of everything at that time!

At that time it was said for "serious business computing" it must be PC.. and so I sold ST and bough PC (80386 CPU) in '91. And I remember how disappointed I was: 5 years older ST was better in EVERY aspect!

Ah memories.. 

Bogdan

[Oldden]

Still got my Atari, Amega and BBC B in the loft. Collectors items now.

[Danny1972]

Just an interesting fact... Atari ST released in 1985 (~$800) had MIDI IN/OUT built-in connection:


I had Atari ST and I can only say, it was the best computer at that time -Intel/IBM was way, way behind.

Bogdan

Oh no!!! Let this not turn into an Amiga vs ST debate lol.. I had both and I knew which one was the better computer overall, but certainly the ST blew away everything for using it as midi.

Now, if they had released the STE or Falcon a lot lot sooner, it may had been a different story for Atari.

[EileenL]

I can remember back when most flagship keyboards cost around £2000 pounds. Still unaffordable for some and this I think will always be. I used to gig in my spare time and that money was saved towards the next flagship which was around every two years. We now have longer to save. Six years in fact.

[wersiplayer]

Midi is not new, the presented keyboard prove it but . . . .  the software and posibilities we have now is nothing compare with the 80 and even 90. There is almost no limit to the sample lengt and number of layers. You can have lots of stuf for almost and in many cases nothing and be honest, the posibilities are much more then our hardware keyboards but . . . it take some research and effort to puzzle it togheter, not everyones cup of thea (or coffee lol) A hardware keyboard is nice to enjoy and relax yourself, give gigs, get inspiration and ideas but i think most music composers for film ect use computer based systems to do there work.

[BogdanH]

@wersiplayer
I totally agree with you.
I remember at that time (in late 80's) there was a fair every year in nearby city and that was when I saw WERSI keyboard/organ for the first time. I was just blown away when I heard musician playing Donna Summers "I feel love". I didn't even ask how much the thing costs, but I assume the price was in a range of a car.
Nowadays these things are much more affordable and more flexible to use. Actually it's (lack of) our talent that limits us and not the price.

Bogdan