How do I use pedal sustain while recording Chord 1&2 parts in Style Creator?

[Bluewire8]

Hello there. I am making changes to the Chord 1 and Chord 2 channels inside of an existing style. The original voices are a guitar mega voice, and I am deleting them and recording my own piano part. However, I can't get the notes to sustain. Is there a way to do that when you're recording a style? The sustain works fine if it's just playing Right 1, etc. Thank you! SX-700

[ckobu]

Hi,
Yamaha Style does not accept sustain control.

[iulistil2]

It can be recorded with the SUSTAIN button activated, but it will be at its maximum throughout the measurements, it would be good if Yamaha implemented control like the other brands have, control on the normal pedal! The control for MONO-LEGATO and PORTAMNETO is also missing, another silly disadvantage!

[Bluewire8]

Well, that's a bummer. Thanks!

[Enildo]

I've said it before in this Forum and I'll say it again: Yamaha needs to move up to the next stage.
How is a simple thing like that, which other brands have had for years, still not possible on yamaha keyboards?
It is very bad to record style tracks without using the pedal.
Yamaha, implement this in the next model!

Enildo

[mikf]

 There are people who see this particular function as important, but "Yamaha needs to" .....may be bit strong. After all, from a Yamaha pov they have had easily the best selling arranger keyboards without this - despite some of the competition providing it. It doesn't matter whether you are buying a house or booking a hotel, nothing ever has everything, there are always trade offs.
Mike

[Enildo]

Hello everybody!

Yes, "Yamaha needs to" pass this phase. I don't see anything strong in that statement.
If it were for selling keyboards, we would still be using a PSR 510 today, as it was one of the best sellers in history.
The other day I was complaining about the PSRs not having the "Half Bar Fill IN" function and I read here reviews that yamaha sold thousands of keyboards for several years without needing this... and yamaha already included it in a "handmade" way in the PSR s975 and later now on the SX line.
Those who record styles know that it is necessary to use the sustain pedal and yes, in my humble opinion, which is not an absolute opinion, because nothing is absolute, "Yamaha needs to" move to the next phase. other brands.
And yes, I already know that if I don't like it I can change brand/model.
I'm glad we're discussing this issue here, as I know they read and follow the discussions on this forum.

No more health for all!
Enildo

[Joe H]

Regarding the original post.  Sustain messages are not allowed because they can corrupt the style.  Yamaha programmers have made a great effort to keep us from corrupting a stye file. The Panel Sustain is really the XG Release Envelope and not true sustain, but sounds the same and produces the same effect.

Joe H

[andyg]

I'm probably one of the only people on this forum who have worked in R&D, with organs and keyboards.

Mikf is correct, you cannot have everything. What we did, and Yamaha still do, is to listen to distributors, dealers and customers to gauge what is really needed. Add to that a fair sprinkling of new ideas to lead the market - technology allowing, of course.

Two things jump out for me.

1) the technology aspect. As Joe H said, sustain messages can corrupt a style. So it's not going to appear. At some point, Yamaha will surely have to redesign the style engine, something I've been suggesting in meetings for a long time, but I don't see it happening any time soon. And any new system has to be backwards compatible, or there would be many, many people annoyed that their collections of styles were rendered obsolete and useless. Same thing with other features.

Going back to 1983, I proposed a design for an instrument to replace the one I'd worked on in 1979/1980. The Japanese R&D guys laughed - in a friendly way - and said that the current technology would not allow for what I'd proposed, nor would the technology due to appear in 1984. In 1985/86 they asked to to come across to Japan and start work on what I'd proposed for a 1987 release date. So even the designers of instruments (at least those concerned with the performance aspect) can be stymied by the (lack of) technology.

2) Demand. What is 'essential' or 'vital' to some players is of no importance whatsoever to others. It's always been that way and always will be. Most players only use 25% of what their keyboard can do, maybe less. But two different players would use a different 25%. So decisions are taken, based in some extent on what the majority of players want, plus the technology aspect and costs involved. On forums, regardless of make or model, the 'loudest' voices are often those who want something that they consider 'vital'. That's always been so, even going back pre-internet, when people would talk to us or write in! But it's a fact that they are usually in a small minority compared to the overall sales numbers and R&D - not to mention the bean counters - will be looking at what sells to the majority.

And, on a personal note, when I joined R&D, one of the things I was told is that I shouldn't try to design an instrument just for me, but for everyone. I actually did get 'my' instrument a couple of times. The fact that they both became best sellers......