The Next Genos

[DerekA]

Yep, this is human nature in glorious display on the Web.  I'm watching the same thing happen on Yamaha synth forums. The new MODX+ is due to be announced on September 1. Yes, it was leaked and, yes, everyone went barking mad. 

Maybe we will get a Genos+ with a bit more sample memory and bluetooth onboard, that fits in the same case with a new logo.

[Del]

I really can't wait for the next Genos or whatever it will be called when it arrives so we can create another thread and rip it to bits. 

[Toril S]

Yes, the wolves are waiting for a crisp plastic mesl to tear apart!😀😀😀

[maartenb]

Is this Genos 2 in this video ?

No.

The thumbnail photos in this video is Genos 2.

No, it's a Genos (1) with v2 firmware.


Maarten

[Jeff Hollande]

Yamaha just introduced the new synth MODX+ serie.

Does that mean the Genos' successor might come sooner than has been expected  ? Cross my fingers.

Regards, JH

[tyrosman]

Yamaha just introduced the new synth MODX+ serie.

Does that mean the Genos' successor might come sooner than has been expected  ? Cross my fingers.    dont think so

Regards, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Yamaha just introduced the new synth MODX+ series.
Does that mean the Genos' successor might come sooner than has been expected  ? Cross my fingers.
Regards, JH

Not likely, Jeff. The Genos and MODX keyboards are created by two entirely different development teams, I would assume. That means different deadlines and release dates.

[EileenL]

Yes that is correct. Two different animals.

[pjd]

Yamaha just introduced the new synth MODX+ serie.

Does that mean the Genos' successor might come sooner than has been expected  ? Cross my fingers.

Regards, JH

Yamaha have CK61/CK88 in the queue: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/namm-2022-your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine/

Yep, two different development groups, two different roadmaps, two different schedules. The only possible schedule issue is when to launch major products and not muddy the waters. Have we ever seen a major synth and a major arranger announced at the same time? (E-series don't count.) Kinda Marketing 101.

I'm leaning more into Derek's camp -- Genos with a plus sign. 

All the best -- pj

[Jeff Hollande]

Genos + ?
No more ?
IMHO, hard to believe there will be no major changes after 5 years ...

Best regards, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Good point, Jeff. If history is any lesson, Yamaha will bring a new Genos arranger to the table that will be miles ahead of the PA5X. Korg and the other arranger producers have had some impressive machines but Yamaha always seems to take the cup each time.

With arrangers, I think it's all about what you need it for. If you're a home player, you can get by with the basic or advanced stuff, depending how much time you want to spend. If you're a stage player like myself, you need more advanced controls and features. Thankfully, the Genos is still an excellent sounding keyboard whereby if it takes Yamaha another year or so to bring out the new model, we can live it. It's not like the Genos is drastically outdated 😉.

[Del]

As I said on a previous post, anyone in the market right now for a TOTL arranger is not likely to be buying a Genos. They are either buying the Korg, or maybe waiting to see if something is imminent from Yamaha. But with no definite news from Yamaha how long would they delay? I would think there is some real pressure on Yamaha from their dealer network to get a competitive product out there.
Mike

I agree Mike I am in the market for the TOTL arranger and yes first glance and hearing although it was on YouTube I was quite impressed with the Pa5x with some of the instrument sounds and some of the new features, however I have decided to see what's on the horizon with Yamaha, At this point of time I won't be buying the Genos  although I have found a reputable music company selling them brand new for £3400 uk pounds.
I will not be trading in my tyros5 when I get the new TOTL arranger this will be my second keyboard and link the two together, I love the Tyros it's robust and still a formidable keyboard.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Guys :

I have to admit I have no idea ( like most of us, I guess ) when we can expect a new high end Yamaha arranger.
I am only dreaming and speculating.

I have decided ( for myself ) to close this subject until Yamaha will show the world a tip of the iceberg.

However, I cannot believe Yamaha, the World Arranger Leader, have the intention to bring - after 5/6 years - a "simple upgrade ", called Genos+.
In my mind this new highend Yamaha arranger will be unique, far ahead of its time, very reliable, plug-and-play and ... even much more, as usual.

You may say I am a dreamer but I am not the only one. ( Imagine, John Lennon ).

Best Wishes, JH

[Toril S]

Dream on everyone😀

[ton37]

And the time you dream will be shorter than you think... and then you wake up from a dream or a nightmare 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

And the time you dream will be shorter than you think... and then you wake up from a dream or a nightmare 

"Enjoy yourself while your still in the pink"!!
   "The years go by quickly as a wink"
       "Life is shorter than you think"!
Enjoy yourself, Enjoy yorself ,it's later than you think
   

[Amwilburn]

Genos + ?
No more ?
IMHO, hard to believe there will be no major changes after 5 years ...

Best regards, JH

Also hard to believe it took Korg over 7 years to announce a successor to the PA4x, but that's what happened!

*edit 4x, not $x. Held down shift too long

[Lee Batchelor]

Also hard to believe it took Korg over 7 years to announce a successor to the PA$x, but that's what happened!

Perhaps they were waiting to see what Yamaha was putting out for the G2 so they could keep the PA5X competitive. After months of no reply from Yamaha, they probably said, "It's time to start recouping our R&D from the PA5X."

[keynote]

Also hard to believe it took Korg over 7 years to announce a successor to the PA4x, but that's what happened!

Korg is a small company compared to Yamaha. I can understand why Korg took 7 years to build a successor to the Pa4X, especially after the global pandemic hit and the supply chain crisis, and silicon chip shortages. Yamaha Corporation has been a major partner of Korg, supplying them with circuitry and mechanical parts to this day from what I understand. Since Yamaha is a major corporation it's easy to expect new products on a fairly consistent basis. Next month it will be FIVE WHOLE YEARS since the Genos appeared on the scene. In a normal, stable, and prosperous global economy, Yammie used to crank them out about every two to three years. But because of several global challenges previously mentioned I think Yamaha is also behind schedule about two years. If that is accurate then the Genos 2 could potentially be scheduled for release this holiday season. But perhaps Yamaha will wait possibly until next holiday season (2023) hoping that economic inflation and the chip bottleneck, etc., have been alleviated enough to make it more reasonable from a consumer and bottom-line standpoint.   

[Mike2]

Does anyone anticipate much better styles with the next Genos? And if so, will the current styles be added with a little adjustment? I am a simple player, self taught, and cannot read a note. With that said, I do depend on styles for a better enjoyment. If Yamaha does develop some very new and great styles, will they be able to sound as good with my current Genos?
Free style play is also very important for, playing liturgical music. I would hope more expanded free play styles will be added.  Christmas styles as well, I find they could be better developed for playing all the Christmas songs and carols. Seems to me, they all sound the same. Yes I do allot of adjustments to the current available styles. I guess we shall see.

[EileenL]

There are plenty of good styles out there. If you can get hold of the 809 styles there are quite a few new ones on it as well as on the SX900. If you Download the free Yamaha packs, you will find a lot on those that are very good. There are other places where you can buy them also.

[mikf]

Free play styles can never be much more than simple pad type sounds. Any more and they will never fit with different rhythms.
I don't think anyone knows even if and when an updated Genos model might appear, far less what styles might be on it. But typically they do throw in a few new styles, or slightly modified versions of existing styles, on new models, and normally everything will be compatible with previous models. Whether they sound as good when played on older models might depend on what other sound or voice improvements get made on the latest model.
But Eileen is right, there is an almost endless supply of styles already out there for you to try, so no real need to depend on new ones from the latest model. The tough job is sorting wheat from chaff on the sheer quantity of options available.
Mike

[Mike2]

Thanks Mike & Eileen.  I had forgot about those.  Now the sifting

[pjd]

Free style play is also very important for, playing liturgical music. I would hope more expanded free play styles will be added. 

Free play styles aren't too difficult to create. I wrote a short note about them (way back when):

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/freeplay-style-deconstructed/

I use them for liturgical music, too. They are very handy that way. 

All the best -- pj

[Lee Batchelor]

Where can we download the styles for the 809 piano? I assume Yamaha doesn't post them anywhere due to copyright?