If you're considering buying a Korg Pa5X...

[Christophermoment]

This is what I mean by "Hate speech rhetoric"! Especially by someone who has not yet laid hands on a 5X.
By repeating the misinformation over & over again, hoping that one day it will be perceived as the truth if you repeat it often enough!

The English language is expressive and when used correctly can convey thoughts, ideas and emotions. In what deluded scenario do you picture the Korg PAX5? Is it an oppressed minority? Is it the wrong colour? Maybe the wrong ***? Maybe we can report this to the United Nations as a new form of 'Hate speech rhetoric'? So some people don't like the Korg keyboard, get over it.

[usaraiya]

Wow, that seems to have struck a nerve!
Let's call this new KB a Korg Genos to calm you down!
One CAN love both the Genos & the 5X, you know!

[Gunnar Jonny]

One CAN love both the Genos & the 5X, you know!

+1   

[musicman01]

Indeed,one can love both the Genos & the Pa5x!
I had a Pa4x 76 Musikant and I sold it because the controls (software) were difficult compared to Genos,
and because the Pa5x was on the way.
Even the Pa4x was already a tough competitor for Genos, but not like Pa5x.
I'm not really waiting for a Genos 2, but if this one is again a plastic box with the same finish as Genos 1 then my choice will be made soon!!
PS: Yamaha think carefully!!

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi :

IMHO it must not be easy and even hard to play 2 high end arranger keyboards from two various manufacturers/competitors.

At my age their complete different working methodes seem to me very confusing and far too difficult to know all the details of them both.
I understand and respect people who consider these differences as a challenge but for me it would be a struggle instead of having fun. I am too old, I guess. 

More than 22 years I am used to work with a Yamaha arranger keyboard. Why kill a winning horse ? Why looking for trouble ?

Even today there are many applications I am not familiar with yet.
There is still so much to learn for me.

Thanks for all your very useful help, Forum Members !

Thanks to our computer specialists I am able to make my own multipads, to edit my styles etc. etc.
All these Yamaha programs are custom made by them and ... free of charge !
These people are always there if I need some help. I am so grateful.

No doubt in my mind the competition is making a very good product, why not ... BUT ... there is absolutely no need for me to add / buy a competitive arranger.
Yamaha is my choice !

Best wishes, JH

[mikf]

I get it when people have multiple complimentary keyboards, eg a digital piano and arranger, or synth and digital piano, -iave doe it myself. But not when they are almost duplicating each other. The differences in performance, voices etc are quite marginal. Just doesn't seem worth the trouble, especially since they have different operating systems to learn and confuse. Can it really matter that much that you like the sax on one a little better than the other, especially since with a little tweaking the difference would be hardly detectable to most ??
Mike

[EileenL]

Well I suppose posting a competitors details on a Yamaha site is asking for the answers some are giving. If we are that interested then surly we would look at the Korg forum or go onto you tube for information. Indeed some members may own both keyboards and are happy with both and good luck to them. Most of us here are quite happy with our Yamaha keyboards and that is why we visit this forum to help one another with how to get the best out of them.
  I have nothing against Korg except the very poor treatment I got from the service department when I had mine. Can never say that about Yamaha they are tip top in this.

[mikf]

But it's not completely true Eileen is it ... many of us are happy only until something better comes along. And that has been as much true for you as anyone, because you have always been among the first to upgrade when a new TOTL arranger came along from Yamaha. In your case you have a strong Yamaha brand loyalty, and of course that's your choice, and seems to work well for you. But it's not going to be the case for everyone. Most will change brands in an instant if it seems beneficial. And rightly so.
Mike

[Bill]

Hi All

To start off with, just a quick word about myself.

I'm a Yamaha User (Genos) and more than happy with what I have for now.

Now to my point, with a couple of simple questions.

A]   Why does any discussion about Korg invoke the negative response that it does. Surely as Musicians we are all interested in new features that are coming to market.

B]   Why does nobody talk about some of the new features that the PA5X has, such as -:

1.  Option to purchase 3 variations 61, 76 & 88 Note models.
2.  Dual Style engines.
3.  16 Matrix assignable Pads.
4.  Brushed aluminium casing with easy replaceable wooden end panels.
5.  HD Colour Capacitive Tilting Screen. And HDMI Output.
6.  Vastly improved interface.
7.  Fully assignable response curves for Volume pedal.
8.  Seamless Voice switching.
9.  Improved editing features.


The original post lists dozens of Bugs.  Although there are several as with all new keyboards, many are not bugs at all. they are simply features that work differently from what the user expected or what the user was hoping for.  So come on guys give Korg a little credit for what they have achieved. 

Regards

Bill

[Lee Batchelor]

Hi Bill,

There have been several threads about the 5X. I think the main theme is, "The 5X has 'this or that' and we hope the new Genos has those things as well." You're 100% right in that the 5X has some very much needed upgrades in any arranger. You'll find that 99% of us are still in favor of the Genos but also respect the new features Korg has brought to the table and are anxious to see Yamaha's response.

[musicman01]

Dear Bill,
thank you for your explanation.
I have also been playing on Genos since the end of 2017, of which I am very satisfied except for a number of points.
When talking well about a competitor, there are people who react like a devil out of a box, with sometimes very negative reactions, even though they have not even seen or heard the keyboard in real life.
This thread is about Korg's new flagship the Pa5x.
I have heard this live and played it myself and my opinion is that it is a fantastic keyboard with some new features that we can only dream of. Korg was already very close to Genos with the Pa4x.
At the moment there are still a few things to add to the software, I was told that by the end of this year korg will introduce the new version of their software.

[EileenL]

I often wonder if the Korg forum has people pushing and praising what Yamaha have achieved. Most of us here are mainly Yamaha owners on a Yamaha Forum and are happy with what we have. If we were not we would have changed to a different one by now.
  There is nothing wrong with knowing what the competition is bringing out, but if we are interested there are plenty of places to find out about it other than the Genos section of the forum.
  I first started of with Hammond organs. I then went to Tecnics and Yamaha organs.
When keyboards came along I had both flagship models from Tecnics and Yamaha.
  This was a great combination and also Tecnics had some great styles which I converted to Yamaha and still use today.
  I then had Roland keyboards and had great fun with the VA7 which was my first encounter with sound packs. I then had Korg but just did not like the operating system and the way you had to store things. This was so fiddly and I just did not take to it.
  Now at my age I am happy to spend my remaining time with Yamaha and what ever comes along on the next one.

[ton37]

"This is a Yamaha Forum - saying ..."

I think that these (Pa5x) discussions (also in relation to other brands) will keep popping up in the Yamaha forum because it has been decided not to make room for such a discussion to be 'legitimate', ie. streamline somewhat. That could have been solved very easily in my opinion by adding a forum section: something like: 'Yamaha and his competetors' or 'General Keyboards' or 'The Bar' or '.....' . Many branded forums already do this. You can then post anything from other brands there and the moderators can simply replace post, if they whish.
If one is not interested in it, one can simply skip that entire section, not read and/or not respond.
It doesn't matter to me, but it probably does make make this forum a bit clearer in this regard? Just my 2 cents.

[mikf]

Ton, I think you meant that it keeps appearing under the Genos section. I believe they use that simply because it seems the most appropriate in this case. I think that is ok.
But I don't think that is the problem some find objectionable. So to be clear,  this website is focused on providing information to Yamaha arranger owners. The forum is is a fairly open discussion section, for people with similar interests, ie arrangers, particularly Yamaha arrangers.
I am a moderator on this forum but have no association with Yamaha, and to my knowledge, neither are any other moderators, or indeed the site owner. We have posting guidelines but they are mainly concerned with maintaining respectful discussion, while staying clear of contentious areas like politics, etc. There is no guideline which limits informed or interesting discussion of other arranger brands.
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

To create a separate " Competition " Section is a Management's decision, IMO.
But I wonder if we really need such a section.

For the time being we have only one competitor and in the meantime ... most of us are well aware of the differences between the Genos ( 2017 ) and the new competitor's flagship ( 2022 ), I guess.

Now I am looking forward to be informed about the Genos' successor. More relevant, IMHO.

Best regards, JH

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Wow, that seems to have struck a nerve!
Let's call this new KB a Korg Genos to calm you down!
One CAN love both the Genos & the 5X, you know!

My comments are supposed to be light hearted

Sorry " I will keep my Rolls Royce!!! you can have all the sausages"   

[Lee Batchelor]

Good one, John! We can always count on you for a laugh or two.

[Gunnar Jonny]

I often wonder if the Korg forum has people pushing and praising what Yamaha have achieved.

Once in a while some may do so, but when the latest news has calmed down, it's mostly about what goodies Genos (or others) have that would be worth add to PA, and vice versa.
Now and then we can see a sort of 'mine is better than yours' atitude, just as we occasionally may read clearly and between the lines here at PSR Tut as well. 

In other words, a lot of knowledgeable and helpful people that do as best they can to help eachother, exchange great ideas, solve problems and figure out solutions.
Very familiar to what we can see is going on here.   

[usaraiya]

My comments are supposed to be light hearted

Sorry " I will keep my Rolls Royce!!! you can have all the sausages"   

John, That comment was not meant for you!
And yes, I'll enjoy the "bangers" & mash!


Uday

[soundphase]

I don't see any issue to talk about features and sounds we find interesting on other keyboards, and would like to have on our Yamaha engine, here. The forum is administrated by some people (including moderators) who are the only ones who finally decide the content they accept or not (including long threads that endlessly discuss about the forum content itself)

[ton37]

Ton, I think you meant that it keeps appearing under the Genos section. I believe they use that simply because it seems the most appropriate in this case. I think that is ok.
But I don't think that is the problem some find objectionable. So to be clear,  this website is focused on providing information to Yamaha arranger owners. The forum is is a fairly open discussion section, for people with similar interests, ie arrangers, particularly Yamaha arrangers.
I am a moderator on this forum but have no association with Yamaha, and to my knowledge, neither are any other moderators, or indeed the site owner. We have posting guidelines but they are mainly concerned with maintaining respectful discussion, while staying clear of contentious areas like politics, etc. There is no guideline which limits informed or interesting discussion of other arranger brands.
Mike

Thanks for explaining this clearly, Mike. So keep going, dear forum members. I find the discussion about the Pa5x (sometimes in relation to the current Genos) interesting, especially when it comes to innovations that can take the keyboard player (technically and practically) to a higher level. If Yamaha is watching, they can learn something from it and use it in the new Genos. In fact, the content of these discussions has come to resemble some sort of wish list, in addition to the already existing wish list on this forum. In retrospect it will become clear how much we were wrong 

[Jeff Hollande]

I hope Yamaha are giving a small tip of their new high end arranger keyboard's plans soon.
There is no time to lose, IMO.

Best regards, JH

[Gunnar Jonny]

I hope Yamaha are giving a small tip of their new high end arranger keyboard's plans soon.
There is no time to lose, IMO.

Yamaha needs some time to examine the PA5X thoroughly, so that they sort out what is worth carrying forward in a Geno's successor. 
We just have to wait and see, patience is a virtue they say. 

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Gunnar :

Thank you for your reply.

It is hard to believe for me a company like Yamaha needs to examine the PA5X's new features first before they come up with a new arranger.

As of the year 2002 up to now Yamaha have been #1 Arranger Keyboard's World Leader.
I strongly believe they want to keep that position for many years to come.

For many years almost all musicians want(ed) to have a Yamaha, right ?

Their SFF2 styles are so famous and unique.
They have such a rich styles collection no other manufacturer can offer.

I would not be surprised their new high end baby will be unique ( again ! ).
Their customers' messages are well understood, I guess. 

Some fast and good news from Yamaha would be very welcome though !


Best regards, JH

[EileenL]

I don't for one minute think that Yamaha need to look for idea's from what is on the new Korg
  There is a Yamaha site that invites idea's of what people would like to see and many members on here are posting exactly what they post here on there so you can't say that Yamaha are not seeing these.

[Del]

It is hard to believe for me a company like Yamaha needs to examine the PA5X's new features first before they come up with a new arranger.

well it's not that hard really most companies look at their competitors, no matter what the product, if you think Sainsbury, Tesco, Asda, Morrisons don't  look at what each other are doing  why do they have Tv advert's stating the best prices and products and comparing?

[mikf]

Of course they will look at the PaX5. I have a lot of development experience and have no doubt that the Korg product would be a primary talking point inside Yamaha since the day it appeared. They will be looking at everything.....the customer reaction, the appearance, the key action, the build quality, pricing strategy, and all the functional changes. It would be normal. And my guess is they are probably quite impressed by what they see. Worried - probably not, but definitely paying attention.
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Del B :

All companies are comparing competitors ' pricing and finished product spec's.

Korg and Yamaha are not an exception. I agree. Both need advertising, promotion and distribution to market their products.

Both companies know each other very well. See their present/historical interrelationship.
They have almost the same (export) customers, IMO.

However, I have no idea how their local Japanese distribution, marketing and sales are organized. 

But as far as research, innovation and development of new products are concerned, I believe Yamaha, being the Arranger Keyboard World Leader, do not need any direct competitive help to find out what endusers want.

Best regards, JH




   

[Del]

Of course they will look at the PaX5. I have a lot of development experience and have no doubt that the Korg product would be a primary talking point inside Yamaha since the day it appeared. They will be looking at everything.....the customer reaction, the appearance, the key action, the build quality, pricing strategy, and all the functional changes. It would be normal. And my guess is they are probably quite impressed by what they see. Worried - probably not, but definitely paying attention.
Mike

Absolutely Mike I agree and it would not surprise me if Yamaha had a few PaX5 in their factory stripped down 

[Graham UK]

Of course Companies will buy competitors' products from one of their own retailers .
I know this because being involved with Speaker manufacture, we did just that to be able to study every product from our competitors.