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Style part seemed to sound a little better recorded as a midi.

Started by Keyboard Master, April 17, 2024, 12:34:43 AM

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Keyboard Master

Hi everyone I'm curious about something. I played this style Discohands here is the style. https://www.dropbox.com/s/izfks7jqhkuzgv1/DiscoHands.T160.prs?dl=0 I recorded it in B min chord. Intro and ending C when I listened very carefully: the Brass sounded a bit more mellow (full blown) while playing back the recorded midi. Vs when I play it normally it sounded less mellow(parts being cut off). The thing I'm curious about is does note polyphony come into play or is it how the keyboard is setup (firmware) . I used a psr sx700 for the test. If someone can use the style I shared and load it test it record the intro/endingC do it both style player and midi playback . Listen very carefully to see what I mean. Also the velocities for phrase 2 I'm focusing on is 120-75-75-120. I edited both 120-75- changed the second 75 to 74 in the midi file I heard the mellows very well. I did the same thing with the style itself in mixmaster then tested it on the same keyboard at my local music store. But only the midi format I heard the brass play more better to my ears. I'm curious if it's the oparating system or. The style itself: any advice I'd appreciate.😎

Keyboard Master

One guess I'm thinking is depending on major or minor chord the muted channels are still playing in the background. When I play the same style (style itself) on the genos 2 the Brass sounded full blown all the way. Most of the time. This is interesting to me how well voices sound's during style playback and song(midi) playback. Another guess is I'm thinking maybe the way the firmware is programmed the style voices will sound its best when recorded/played back as a song/midi file. I'm still curious is the style file using more note polyphony or is it software related.

pjd

Hi --

A suggestion. Get into the mixer in each case. Check out the effects which are assigned to the parts. There may be different effects employed in the Style than the MIDI Song. Don't forget about the Variation effect because effect assignment is squirrelly in lower-end models like the SX700 -- there's never enough effect units to go around...

Just a thought -- pj

Keyboard Master

Quote from: pjd on April 19, 2024, 11:35:39 AM
Hi --

A suggestion. Get into the mixer in each case. Check out the effects which are assigned to the parts. There may be different effects employed in the Style than the MIDI Song. Don't forget about the Variation effect because effect assignment is squirrelly in lower-end models like the SX700 -- there's never enough effect units to go around...

Just a thought -- pj
true. I still have a feeling that in the midi (Song) all voices are automatically set to play at their best.

Keyboard Master

I did look at all the parameters and settings. Effects I even matched the volumes of all the channels. But notice the same result. I'm still curious. If the firmware is playing a role on how all the sounds are produced during style playback and song playback. Still in style playback wnen I listen to the brass very carefully. I can hear the mellows being cut in half: while playing back as a midi song it plays (absolutely) full blown.

Keyboard Master

Now when I play it on genos2 I don't notice any difference it plays full blown in the style. I have a feeling it's a oparating system itself. The flagship models are programmed to play the voices all the way full. I might consider reprogramming the phrase 2 part on the style that's the brass part. I have a feeling I could program it to sound it's best for the specific model. SX700 for example.

johan

The number of insertion effects that can be used in a style on the SX700 is very limited. I think only one is possible while midi files (songs) can use up to 5 effects. This limitation on the number of effects that can be used in a style is less severe on the higher range keyboard such as SX900 and genos. Maybe that explains that you do not have a difference in sound quality on the genos2?
SX900 and S670
Former keyboards: E433, E463, SX700

Keyboard Master

Quote from: johan on November 14, 2024, 09:24:56 AMThe number of insertion effects that can be used in a style on the SX700 is very limited. I think only one is possible while midi files (songs) can use up to 5 effects. This limitation on the number of effects that can be used in a style is less severe on the higher range keyboard such as SX900 and genos. Maybe that explains that you do not have a difference in sound quality on the genos2?
well when I checked the insert effects on. Both models there were none used so that's why I think it's the oparating system that tells the voices how they are reproduced during style/midi playback: bottom line is I know the raw waveforms are exactly the same it's just I feel how the keyboard tells the Brass part to sound.