Unwanted Bass After Change Of Style

[alanclare]

I have a recurring problem that is occupying a lot of my time and for which I am unable to find a solution. The problem is this: sometimes when I record a song performance as a MIDI file and play it back, what I hear is not the same as when I played it. The difference is always an intrusive bass sound in Channel 10, following a change of style. To demonstrate, in this folder are four files which you could copy on to a USB stick and plug it into your arranger: two styles, A & B, a WAV file, and a MIDI file. If you play an F major chord using Style A, Main Variation A, and follow without a break using Style B, and record this on the instrument's USB Player, you will hear the WAV file. When I do the same thing and record it as a Song I hear the MIDI file. Where has that thumping bass on Channel 10 come from? I despair.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dOrRp09q6s70Dvxm5RX3mdU3EoZIpcDG?usp=sharing

Alan

[Normanfernandez]

Just to be sure if I'm on the right Page. You don't want the Thumping Bass on the First Half right??

Channel 10 Is a Drum Channel. Channel 11 is usually the Bass Channel.

The only Part of the MIDI file where i found the bass Excessive was the 1st half ( Style A )

Please Let me know.
Norman.

[alanclare]

Norman

Both styles are "off the peg" pre-set styles. This will ensure that the effect that I'm experiencing isn't caused by any editing of either style. Style A does happen to have a loudish string bass in channel 11, and while I could have altered that, I didn't want to possibly affect what happens when style A is replaced by style B. When I recorded the changeover from style A to style B when creating the Midi file, everything sounded in my headphones as expected, but when I played the song the MIDI file contained a loud drum-like component.in channel 10 which started and continued when the styles changed.

Are you saying that when you play the Midi that I provided, there is no thumping drum when style B plays?

I'm glad it's you that has responded. If you can't hear that thumping sound, I'm starting to wonder if it's something to do with that setup of my arranger.

Alam

[alanclare]

Norman

I've added the MIDI files of the two styles when played separately to the GDrive folder, Style A MIDI and Style B MIDI. All perfectly normal. It's when I play them as one song that the thumping starts in channel10 when Style B replaces Style A.

I shouldn't have titled this thread as Unwanted Bass. It's more likely an unwanted drum.

Alan

[alanclare]

Norman

Actually, this is a good way to show what I'm on about. Get the three MIDI files in front of you. Play Style A MIDi. Play Style B MIDI. Play MIDI (the song which shows the effect of Style B replacing Style A). Does that sound like you would have expected it to?

Alan

[Normanfernandez]

I See the Issue, Kick Drum.

[Normanfernandez]

It was a style Issue,. I Corrected Only A Variation in Style B 

[alanclare]

I was a style Issue,. I Corrected Only A Variation in Style B

I don't understand.

[Normanfernandez]

IT was a style Issue ( Typo )

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UkpriJkHf37YNLQvrEuZNIP0CEFzvFWD/view?usp=sharing

Just Replace the Registration with this Style ( I edited the Drum Section )

[Normanfernandez]

I think there's some more to be corrected. But this is Largely Fixing the Bass Drum.
Norman..

[alanclare]

Norman

This happens to me quite a lot. Surely, it shouldn't be necessary to have to edit the song after changing from one style to another. That bass drum isn't heard when playing, only after creating the song. Otherwise, the situation that I find myself in consists of working on Styles and Voices and Balances, etc, to create a song which sounds pleasing, only to find that when I create the MIDI as the penultimate step prior to using that in conjunction with the USB Recorder - the unwanted intrusion of a bass drum!

Alan

[Normanfernandez]

I'll be back in 25 mins, I'll try to explain as to what could be the reason.

But the main thing is. The style I sent ( corrected )
Did it fix your issue ? ( Well only for this song)

[alanclare]

Yes. Whatever you did to the style resulted in the desired transition from Style A to Style B. I need to know why, so that I can detect whatever's going on before getting to the stage of creating a Song (MIDI) file.

Now I'm intrigued. Style B and Style B2 sound the same and have the same line-up, but when B2 follows A, I don't get that Bass Drum intruding.

Alan

[Normanfernandez]

The Original Style ( Style B)
Head over to the Style Creator.
Rhy2 is on Rec mode, next go to the Edit menu using the Tab button ( STEP EDIT)

Note B0 on the Keyboard is ( Kick Drum )
This Note was still there but with a Duration of 20 Ticks,

This Could have Glitched While the style is playing normally and Played Back when in Song mode.

I deleted B0 Note Events.

This is Exactly what I did

On Further Investigation.

Both the Styles seems to have a Different Drum Map.
SO the Drum MAP from Style A is still retained.

But Style B had some changes made in the Drum Setup.

Norman.

[alanclare]

So, Norman, back to me.

Do I have a way of knowing this is going to happen before I play my rendition to create a MIDI Song, and if so, what do I do about it?

Alan

[Normanfernandez]

It's my first time seeing such a glitch. 
Where did you get this style from?

[alanclare]

I need to watch my football team play an important match. I'll be back at half time, somewhere around 1 hours time.

[Normanfernandez]

Cool!

[alanclare]

We're one up at half time

[Normanfernandez]

 
How's your team doing? Any goals ?

[alanclare]

Can we continue this tomorrow evening?

[Normanfernandez]

Yeah sure.
Hopefully by then I can dig out some explanation.
Or a work around.
Take care.
Regards Norman.

[alanclare]

We're 2-1 in the lead

[alanclare]

OK Norman. Here's a couple for you to hear the effect, and then hopefully explain to me what is going on.

This folder contains 5 files:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FKZcHbYTTILuHEjvYvR-D3HcwUEjOf88?usp=sharing

The transition in which I'm interested is FROM Style We've OnlyJustBegun TO Style 8BeatBallad1

In addition to the two styles there are MIDI files of each style, Main Variation A, playing a chord of Fmajor

The third MIDI file is of Style We've OnlyJustBegun changing to Style 8BeatBallad1 demonstrating the unwanted presence of some kind of Drum.
               

[Normanfernandez]

Due to the Personal Message Limit.

We Continue after you had your breakfast.

Norman.

[alanclare]

O.K. I'm ready.

[alanclare]

Norman

I think that this might provide a clue. 
Here's a couple of styles: StyleX and StyleY, and a MIDI song file X to Y.MID
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/173Dxbay5hK7lOHSXZh5HkHEN-j0Yhu_Z?usp=sharing

Listen to Main Variation A of StyleX and listen in particular to RHY2
Repeat for StyleY. Two pretty nondescript styles.
Now listen to the MIDI file of changing from StyleX to StyleY, X to Y.MID. There's that drum.

Load StyleX again and use the Style Creator Assembly Page to listen to RHYTHM2 on SOLO
While it's running replace it with StyleY.
There's that drum again.

Any help? Alan

[EileenL]

If you know which style has the offending Drum then go to style editor and remove it or lower the volume and then re-save the style.

[alanclare]

If you know which style has the offending Drum then go to style editor and remove it or lower the volume and then re-save the style.

Eileen

I want to know what causes it. I don't want to play a perfectly satisfactory rendition of a song into the MIDI (Song) Recorder, only to find that when I play it back to produce a WAV Audio recording that I've got to sort out the offending drum and then repeat the recording.

Alan

[EileenL]

Is this an on board style on third party one. Dose it happen on any other styles when you change from one to the other. If it only happens with this style then the fault is in that style so going into Style creator will show you what happens.