Shiny spots

[Toril S]

Did not work for me!

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Well, why not use Preparation H for itchy spots!!

[EileenL]

Don't think it would work on a keyboard surface that well John. How do you tell if it is itchy 

[mikf]

john - doesn't work for spots on the topside, only the underside.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Mikf

You have got that wrong .
It does work on the backside!! Midi out

[Toril S]

Ha ha I will give you MIDI out .. LOL!

[Lee Batchelor]

I think the matt finish is very thin and easily scuffed. Below it is the solid plastic composite that is naturally shiny. No amount of anything is going to solve the problem. Those who are able to remove the shiny bits are actually removing skin oils where the surface matt finish is still intact. Give it time. It will eventually fail and reduce the keyboard's value on trade or resale, unlike the Genos predecessors .

[EileenL]

All Keyboard like cars depreciate in value the older they get. Having had some of the older keyboards especially Tecnics  that went shiny very quickly I never lost that much when part exchanging. I once worked it out that what I lost was only around £5 to £10 pounds a week which was well worth paying for something I really enjoyed using. You pay more than that for a game of Bingo which is only a couple of hours a week. Just enjoy playing lovely music.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

HI Eileen
You are right, as if you calculate how much it is costing you on a yearly basis, also the fun factor. Roughly a thousand a year.
That is before next change.
That is Approimately £20 a week for a great keyboard. You would have to pay more weekly if you go to a football match.
I worked on the same principle by purchasing those DXR 8 Powered speakers  which has great sound quality in my room at a £1000. This for the keyboard listening.
Also i could throw a party with them if needed.
My Focal Alphas are for mixing flat response the same as my open back AKG 702's headphones for mixing. They were £400 and £119 and what a deal that was.
If i keep these speakers for the next two Genos's or whatever , then they have paid for themselves
£300 for Yamaha speakers which i personally think are sub standard for a Keyboard like the Genos with a boom box attached.
Too tinny and boomy for me with battery wires. This is my opinion only.
It is like having a Rolls Royce with a mini engine.
As you said Eileen  "You cannot take it with you to the great beyond"!!!
How do i know!!!
It is what Guy Lombardo sings " Enyoy Yourself"!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFxjnUPRwx4
All the Best
John

[Toril S]

I think Lee is spot on. The matt finish is thin. I use the data wheel and dec and inc buttons a lot., and tend to touch the surface around the buttons when I press them repeatedly. That is where the surface has become shiny.

[Genos!]

I'm the odd duck (one of them at least) on this forum...

I bought Mackie studio speaker monitors in 2004 for $600+ish a piece. That with a Roland VS-2480 and 4x Studio Mastering effects cards totalled at over $3k in 2004. I still use that kit for final mixing/mastering and the Antares AutoTune & United Audio LA2A & 1176LN plugs.

Yes, I do have Ike, Spike, and Nevo (waves) and iZotope Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone, plus RX7 and TONS more VST and VSTi, but I really like the "vintage warmth" of the Roland Studio.


Now, onto the odd-duck part...  We bought the Genos for its sounds and 2 keyboards-in-one perspective. I didn't buy it because it's an arranger and I'm a performer. My main instrument is Sax and my wife's is Guitar, but not a problem and sometimes we do perform. We both can play the arranger (chording) and melody with harmonies on the right hand no problem and intros/outros, etc. are second nature due to owning a Casio Workstation well over 15 years ago.

This is the odd part; we keep the Genos covered almost 100% of the time except for power-on and power-off. We have a huge air-conditioner in the studio to keep all of the equipment warm. AND, because of its cost at around $5k I tend to use other keyboards for midi, especially my 88-key weighted Roland FA-08.

I use the Genos as a 100% double sound module and now have access to Richard Losper's (through Barbara's post) interesting Backing Track Maker software. So that door is wide open and available to walk through when I get a chance to slow down a little.

So, while I do like the "black" (gray/silver would have been fine), it's magnetic dust personality and now potential wear keeps me from touching it a lot.

What that equates into is probably because I am not touching it on a regular basis, I "probably?" will never buy another Genos.

[Lee Batchelor]

I love Eileen's Bingo metaphor. That's why we love you, Eileen !

I certainly agree that at the end of the day the big question is, "Does the Genos keyboard sound good?" It certainly does. Our seniors (and a lot of other people) love to hear us play.

[Toril S]

True. And instruments get worn, marks of use are normal. But we paid A LOT for these babies, so we are a little crazy when it comes to their appearance

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Get your grubby little hands off that Genos!!

[Toril S]

Never😀😀😀😅

[Ingar]

True. And instruments get worn, marks of use are normal. But we paid A LOT for these babies, so we are a little crazy when it comes to their appearance

You can buy all over protection shield for Genos.  I am considering buying a set from Prossic.

[Ingar]

True. And instruments get worn, marks of use are normal. But we paid A LOT for these babies, so we are a little crazy when it comes to their appearance

It looks like Yamaha has opted for an exclusive surface look at the expense of durability. If the matte surface get worn that easily, we can ask ourselves how exclusive it is. I think maybee it is a miss from Yamaha.

[soryt]

I posted this in April and it made me think I was the only one who cared about the shiny spots on the Genos.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,54954.msg429246.html#msg429246

S.

[Ingar]

I posted this in April and it made me think I was the only one who cared about the shiny spots on the Genos.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,54954.msg429246.html#msg429246

S.

No, your not the only one. I try the best I can to only hit the buttons without touching the surface. Its not only greas from fingers, but our hands and fingers do have sweat glans an sweat contains salt who can make shiny spots wery fast. On gigs and jamming it can be wery "hot", no doupt about it.

[Lee Batchelor]

The matt surface is not only worn off by natural body grease, which over time, is corrosive but also by your finger prints.

Human finger prints are the same as a 800 grit sandpaper or rougher, depending on the type of external work one does. I do a fair amount of physical labor and hence, have pretty rough fingertips. Had Yamaha stuck with the quality finishes of the past, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Like every other company on the planet, they put profits ahead of surface quality. Thank goodness they didn't cheap out on the sounds, which are of course, far more important !

[Lee Batchelor]

Sorry folks. This is a test post only. Roger and I are working through a problem where email notifications to my replies are not being sent. Perhaps someone could post another reply here so I can see if I've solved my problem. Thanks...

[Toril S]

Hello Lee😀😀

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Toril.

Nope. The reply was not sent to my email. I deleted Edge Chromium and posted my reply through Google Chrome. I think there's an issue with the forum software.

Apologies to the OP for diverting attention from the Shiny spots topic.

[mikf]

Lee
The cost difference between a finish that works well, and one that develops flaws, is most likely very small on these keyboards. Having been in these positions, an making these decision, I think it is unlikely Yamaha or any other decent company consciously makes a discussion to save this little money and do something they know is poor quality. Much more likely they just got it wrong.
Mike

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I cannot understand people getting shiny spots as regular cleaning which i do always brings everything back to Matt.
Simple spectacle cleaner is 100% for me

All the Best
John

[Toril S]

Didn't work here. I have a second hand Tyros, not a spot on it! So this finish is more fragile.

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed, Mike. I suppose Yamaha's bean counters didn't play a role in the lousy finish. Yamaha just dropped the "supply chain" ball. They got taken. Hopefully, they'll seek a different plastics company for Genos 2. The Genos 1 company doesn't have a clue.

[Ingar]

Didn't work here. I have a second hand Tyros, not a spot on it! So this finish is more fragile.

Yes, the Tyros has a silver lacquered surface. Much more resistant.

[EileenL]

Genos also has a Lacquered surface. I have seen one before it is added and it looked very strange.
With all the problems of covid all over the world can we really not think of something better to talk about and what the heck are bean counters.

[Lee Batchelor]

Good point, Eileen. "Bean counters" are "accountants."