Karaoke version mp3 files

[mick47willis]

Gday
Saw a you tube on this site 'karaoke version' for quite excellent  backing tracks.
Could I convert them to midi  on Mixmaster  to play on my E433..or is their another way.
Cheers Mick

[vlbrgt]

Could I convert them to midi  on Mixmaster

No

Regards
Etienne

[mick47willis]

Well is their a way I could use mps files on an E433.
Do you know a program I could use to convert these files?

[overover]

Hi Mick,

Audio files, like WAV or MP3, cannot be easily converted to MIDI format.

MIDI is NOT an Audio format, since there are only control data in a MIDI file (e.g. "When was a certain key pressed with which velocity, and when was it released").

There are some Audio-to-MIDI converter programs, but in principle they only work reasonably well with single monophonic tracks (not with finally mixed Audio files that contain several / many polyphonic tracks). In addition, such MIDI files that resulted from an Audio-to-MIDI conversion would still have to be completely reworked at the MIDI level. In most cases it should be easier to create a song directly in MIDI format. Of course you need a lot of know-how and besides the keyboard you also need a DAW program ("MIDI Sequencer") on the computer.


The PSR-E433 is NOT compatible to any Audio file formats. I suggest you just use a smartphone or tablet computer to play audio files.

Some apps can even display Lyrics embedded in MP3. For Android there are z. B. the app "Medoly" (NOT "Melody"!).

But as far as I know, MP3 backing tracks from "karaoke-version" contain no Lyrics anyway. So you can use any MP3 player app.

Since the E433 has no AUX input, you cannot connect the smartphone / tablet directly to the E433. If you are using external, active speakers that have a second input, you could connect the audio playback device there. Otherwise you would have to put a mixer in between.


Best regards,
Chris

[SciNote]

When discussing the difference between an audio file and a MIDI file, I like to use an analogy with old-school musical equipment.  In short, an audio file is akin to a recording on a vinyl record, and a MIDI file is akin to the scroll used to play music on a player piano.

Going deeper into the analogy, with a vinyl record, a direct representation of the sound wave is carved into the grooves of the record and the needle of the phonograph/turn-table that plays that record is simply reproducing that audio recording by rubbing across the carved groove, and then that sound being generated from the needle rubbing against the groove is amplified.  Since the grooves on the vinyl record are a direct representation of the sound waves recorded, any standard turn-table will play the record, and as I recall from my youth -- though you would not want to do this to any vinyl record that you care about -- I believe you can even take the edge of a coin, like a nickel that has a definite edge, and gently hold it on the record as it is spinning, and you'll hear what is recorded on the record through the coin.

A MIDI file would be akin to a player piano scroll.  The holes on the player piano scroll are not a direct representation of the sound waves generated by the piano, and there would be no way to extract the sound intended by the recording without the player piano or a machine designed to emulate its action.  In other words, without knowing how the player piano read the scroll, you could not just look at the scroll and derive the sound wave of the recording from it, and you could not rub a coin or anything else across the scroll and hear the recording.  Instead, the holes simply tell the piano which keys to "press" or activate, and when to activate them -- so the actual musical instrument (the player piano) is required to interpret the meaning of the pattern of those holes and reproduce the music recorded on the scroll.

That is similar to how a MIDI file works.  It is not a representation or encoding of the actual sound waves you hear when the music is played -- it is just a sequence of data that tells a MIDI-compatible device what notes to play and when (as well as other information such as the sound you want).  In the way that it is actually the instrument, or player-piano, that produces the actual sound of a piano scroll, it is the MIDI-compatible device that produces the actual sound of a MIDI file.  Of course, since MIDI is a standard format, a variety of devices are capable of reading it, such as a MIDI-compatible keyboard or a computer with a MIDI program (MIDI-compatible digital audio workstation) loaded into it.  And of course, more advanced MIDI computer programs can even alter the sounds being used when the MIDI file is played back.

[mick47willis]

Fantastic..Chris and Bob  so helpful.
Great analogies to explain the difference  between the files.
Thank you

[Janus]

Hi Mick,

Audio files, like WAV or MP3, cannot be easily converted to MIDI format.

MIDI is NOT an Audio format, since there are only control data in a MIDI file (e.g. "When was a certain key pressed with which velocity, and when was it released").

There are some Audio-to-MIDI converter programs, but in principle they only work reasonably well with single monophonic tracks (not with finally mixed Audio files that contain several / many polyphonic tracks). In addition, such MIDI files that resulted from an Audio-to-MIDI conversion would still have to be completely reworked at the MIDI level. In most cases it should be easier to create a song directly in MIDI format. Of course you need a lot of know-how and besides the keyboard you also need a DAW program ("MIDI Sequencer") on the computer.


The PSR-E433 is NOT compatible to any Audio file formats. I suggest you just use a smartphone or tablet computer to play audio files.

Some apps can even display Lyrics embedded in MP3. For Android there are z. B. the app "Medoly" (NOT "Melody"!).

But as far as I know, MP3 backing tracks from "karaoke-version" contain no Lyrics anyway. So you can use any MP3 player app.

Since the E433 has no AUX input, you cannot connect the smartphone / tablet directly to the E433. If you are using external, active speakers that have a second input, you could connect the audio playback device there. Otherwise you would have to put a mixer in between.


Best regards,
Chris

Mp3 files can have lyrics inbedded and show the lyrics in the right karaoke player
The windows media player got this optie standaard
Also you can find a lot of karaoke mp3 players and editors

Gr.Jan

[jamferreira2020]

the SX900 keyboard Plays files with lyrics and karaoke photos, and the CDG + mp3, I play on my kids Play