Genos 61

[Pino]

Hi
I am with Lee and val on this one.
The extra space is just what it is which means you can use it as Lee has said and i do use it all the time.

John and Vali
Guys, your getting confused here, this post is not about how good you are on playing a 76 key keyboard, it's about moving your keyboard maybe from your bedroom studio to you car or truck and then getting to your gig and haveing to carry it to maybe a function room upstairs and then having just a small space in the coroner to set-up.

Why do other players here that already own a Genos/Tyros go out to buy a PSR for gigging?

How does Korg come out with a PA4X 76 & 61 without any effort at all, someone's post saying that Yamaha haven't the resources to do this.

I will still live in hope cos the new SX900 has very little compared to a Genos and should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

No more talk from me on this subject

Happy playing to everyone 🎹

Pino

[panos]

Hi Pino,
The overal size of Tyros line and Genos is bigger than the psr line and the PA4x.
I don't think it is only a "length" issue.
From what I read here,sometimes people prefer to take with them the s970,instead of their Genos, because they can use just it's on board speakers.
It's seems a better option than taking the Genos,the mixing console,speakers,woofer etc. in all cases.
E.g to play to a party,to a friend's house,or in a small venue with not too many people.

If someone don't use some octaves on his keyboard, I don't think he's been bothered of being there in any other case.

Apart form the usage of "splitting" the keyboard in two
(really great feature for moving your hand to the next or previous octave to play instantly a small melody line and return to the main "sound"  ),
76 keys seem to be useful for playing arpeggios e.g ending the song with an arpeggio,or to play an improvisation.
Many times I needed the very last note to be at the octave that is missing.
The "Upper octave" button sometimes is not useful when there is not enough milliseconds to hit it and continue the arpeggio as you can understand.

I prefer to use the onboard midi recorder although I could use the DAW Fl studio for equalizing the sounds while hear them on my pc for better results and could use more than a 5 band EQ,other EQ filters,compressors,normalization etc.
I think it is a descent recorder that saves lot's of my time.

p.s
sometimes we buy a keyboard because of the differences between the models of what "we" can hear and not because of what others can tell or not.

[Bachus]

Hi Lee,
  What is so terribly wrong with just siting down and playing your Genos through the Audio recorder.
It gives a very good recording and people love listening to live recording to. It usually inspires us to go and try it ourselves and that is nice.
  In my opinion people don't want to hear something sounding just like a recording you can go out and buy, they want to hear someone just sitting and playing there keyboard and not all these fancy add on's.
  Give it a try.

There is nothing wrong with that...

However you tend to forget that everyone uses the Genos in his own way..

I will give an example of things people could use a daw for,,
When creating backings with the Genos, you want to be able to edit them, with modern tools like audio edditors, but also like a midi pianoroll..
Another thing people do using a Genos is making professional level recordings for use in the studio. Same story..

Now there are many things whcih still could be improved on the Genos, and everyone has their own opinion on them..
Daw integration like the montage has would improve some of them.
For me personally an ipad app (like they offer from yamaha for their piano range) that fills the holes with :
- remote display for music and lyrics
- real time sound edditor able to edit and create sounds in the Genos on the level of yem or even modx
- real time midi edditor, with piano roll, they could just use the Cubasis tools for this.
- an audio edditor, looper, slicer.
- data management tool, allowing direct management of usb data, but also of the expansion packs and sounds
- midi conversion tool, creating a style from a midi file..
- pattern sequencer used for sound creation
- integration of AUv3 running on ipad with the genos
- the functionallity of V-console, allowing you to assign the sequencer voices to left and right hand..
Etc etc etc...  yamaha allready has many tools developed for ipad, all they need is to offer them in a dedicated package for The Genos.
All they need to make possible is the use of the USB interface for audio..

There are some rumors about this on a German website..
Because Cubasis 3.0 is just around the corner
Ipad OS 13 offers many many new options for programs like this.
The rumor ismpart of the Oktober Genos patch rumor..

All in all, just a rumor, but ome that would make me happy..
An ipad support app would fit the Genos much better for most users then fullfledged daw integration
And would fit Yamaha EU's experience and profile better..


So many people, so many needs, thats also the problem the development team faces
Since they don't openly communicate with the musicians in the way Yamaha US does,
They have a hard time to find out how important the userbase vouches certain improvements to be added, because of this.
Just check out on the Yamaha US synth forum owned by Yamaha how openly they discuss and help people there, its enlightening.
We need to look outside of our own situation, and ask ourself why would somebody else need this,
And look less to our own situation and aks ourselves why would i need this?

[mikf]

I have never been comfortable playing 61 note keyboards, I used a full size controller when I had a PSR. The other problem is that many of the 61 note keyboards actually have smaller than standard individual keys. Although this may not seem much, and might actually help a new player, experienced keyboard players can find the difference uncomfortable. Weight of the bigger top end keyboards can be quite a bit more, nd I can see that being a deciding factor for some, but the size added by 15 extra keys is minimal about 7 inches at worst, and it's hard to imagine a gig situation where that could make a difference. I say at worst, because on the 76 key Kenos they seemed to save length elsewhere to offset some of this.
As far as recording is concerned, I seldom post any myself. Like many gigging musicians, I played almost all my life live for thousands of people, and dont find much need to post here for others, unless its to demonstrate a technical point.
Mike

[Bachus]

I have never been comfortable playing 61 note keyboards, I used a full size controller when I had a PSR. The other problem is that many of the 61 note keyboards actually have smaller than standard individual keys. Although this may not seem much, and might actually help a new player, experienced keyboard players can find the difference uncomfortable. Weight of the bigger top end keyboards can be quite a bit more, nd I can see that being a deciding factor for some, but the size added by 15 extra keys is minimal about 7 inches at worst, and it's hard to imagine a gig situation where that could make a difference. I say at worst, because on the 76 key Kenos they seemed to save length elsewhere to offset some of this.
As far as recording is concerned, I seldom post any myself. Like many gigging musicians, I played almost all my life live for thousands of people, and dont find much need to post here for others, unless its to demonstrate a technical point.
Mike

For anyone using the Genos to play piano style, for example in intro's, the 76 keys is a must. Also when using the R3 on a seperate split, or even left, chords, r1+r2, r3 on sepperate splits... 76 key is the only option.

And as you say, the extra width is only 9x 7/8" which is 8" ... at 13 kg seems to me that the Genos is the perfect size for a gigging keyboard..

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

John and Vali
Guys, your getting confused here, this post is not about how good you are on playing a 76 key keyboard, it's about moving your keyboard maybe from your bedroom studio to you car or truck and then getting to your gig and haveing to carry it to maybe a function room upstairs and then having just a small space in the corner to set-up.

Why do other players here that already own a Genos/Tyros go out to buy a PSR for gigging?

How does Korg come out with a PA4X 76 & 61 without any effort at all, someone's post saying that Yamaha haven't the resources to do this.

I will still live in hope cos the new SX900 has very little compared to a Genos and should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

No more talk from me on this subject

Happy playing to everyone 🎹

Pino


Hi Pino

I can tell you from experience that the Tyros is a monster when it comes to weight.
I had two years of hell lifting my Tyros out of my man cave and into the box for taking to music shop to get the Genos.
I had suffered twinging in my groin and base of my spine . I had a trapped nerve and sciatica
I ignored my other half to wait until she came home to help me as i was getting exited about the thought of getting my Genos. I paid the full price of being impatient.
I can also tell you that the 76 note Genos is like a featherwieght compared with the Tyros.
Through rest and lots of execise, i am back to normal after those two years.
The Tyros is like a block of concrete.
I remember Pino when i ran a disco for 15 years i had a roadie mate to help and perhaps it is best to take a friend to help for a few dollars more or Euro's or ££
As you probably know that when entertaining, if you have a decent speaker and amp set up not cutting corners the public will not notice what keyboard you play.
There is a lot of noise at gigs unless you are Rick Wakeman, Jorden Ruddess, or Yanni.
I think that if you do not need a 76 note keyboard and happy with the 61 note, the new PSR would be  great, providing that you can load all your musical stuff into it without having to re-adjust everything.
The Genos to me is not heavy and anyway there is always someone at hand at clubs to help you in and out for a pint of beer!!.


All the best
john

[Pino]

Thanks John for your witty posts 😀
You always make me giggle 😅
I always read your posts and follow you on Soundcloud.
Good luck with your playing and your recording studio.🎹

Regards

Pino

[Lee Batchelor]

Yes, excellent posts John!

One small techy note for you when posting. In the post you just added (sadly, there are no post numbers on this forum), place a [/quote] tag at the end the quoted message and your comments about the post. Doing so closes the quote. Another way is to click the Quote button in the upper right corner.

Keep them coming, my friend !

[Lee Batchelor]

Pino, as someone mentioned, I do a lot of gigging and find virtually no time to sit and record. To be honest, I'd like to do just as you request - slow down on the road work and just record !

I'll give it a try as soon as I can. I just came off a good theatrical show with two sold-out crowds. I backed two singers for a Willie Nelson, Buddy Holly, and Patsy Cline tribute show. It was an odd combination but very well received .

[mikf]

Further to Lee's point about use of quotes. It's worth pointing out that if you want to use a quote to make it obvious that you are replying to a specific post or point it is seldom necessary to use the whole quote. Especially if it is lengthy. You should click the quote button then edit the quote down to just a relevant line or so using the delete. This avoids strings of posts which are repeat everything previously posted.
Mike

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Yo must admit "It looks nice in Blue"!!

Ok I made a Blue Boo!!

atb
John