Expectations

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Guys, Please

I simply don't understand what is the Drama

Joe H , EileenL , Vali

Everything is Ok! No need to leave the forum or cry about everything.

I actually think the moderators are doing excellent work by allowing everyone to express themselves the way they feel

To date , i haven't come across ONE word or thread or topic that was so inappropriate and this is a big thumbs up to everyone here.

i think Gary put it best: Civil - That is all!  Threads might take different turns and spins especially when they are about an expected update to their keyboards and yes! people will complain

about whatever they want...... Just relax everyone. Those who feel they don't like the way a thread evolves, simply ignore it or open a new one!

the administrators are so nice and liberal about it.

I like members like Vali and others who complain. While I'm happy with my Genos these members fuel the fire that we call progress and modernization. Never had issue with any of the posts that are up.

Even the post that was removed, i would pass personally. The best way to erase a post or a thread in a free society is to ignore it and let it die on its own but i understand why they did it.
This should not be taken personally and everybody should just be happy.

there were few comments about: this forum used to be about helping ......etc.... (to suggest it's not the case anymore) - i WOULD LIKE TO SAY : PLEASE STOP WITH THIS CRAZINESS

This forum is by far the most supportive and helpful resource for any Yamaha user! Every thread that is put up get responses with help and resources and i simply don't
understand why people are not seeing that. almost as if this is a rich people problem where this forum is so good that people don't have anything better to do and complain about it

The organizers of this forum want to have and open discussion to include ALL OPINIONS and views! Some are negative some positive, some always constructive and some always complaintive. and yes ! some posts can only say: i don't like it without providing any constructive solution. So what? People...come on......

Just take it easy..... There are thousands of people here and all have a different opinion and personalities. I personally would like to see everyone express themselves they way they wish
without being shot down and again, i think the moderators are doing a fantastic job to allow us just that, as long as we are being civilized

You know what will be a great idea? I just thought about it: If I win the lottery i will organize an annual meetup of all active forum members. I will fly everyone into a beautiful resort
with their Keyboards! we can meet each other and share experiences! i think this will improve our cohesion and dynamics.

until then, let us all respect, everyone here and i definitely don't want to see members leaving the forum just because others don't like their style

Here here!!  I totally agree
All the best
John

[EileenL]

I have to with you Panos,
  I have never seen such negativity on Genos on any other forum. As you say other sections receive Requests for information on how they can produce certain effects or alter styles to suit or song creating. They are not spending all there time pulling there keyboards to pieces or saying this or that should be on it. I would imagine that Yamaha have a good laugh at some of the threads.
  When Tyros 5 came out everyone slated the piano but it did not last as long as the Genos threads have.
  God help us when Genos 2 comes out.

[Lee Batchelor]

Vali, please rejoin the forum. Your input over the years has been most valuable. There have only been one or two people who should leave the forum in the time I've been a member and they're gone. You don't qualify !

[Joe H]

Is there one for the Genos?

I don't think Yamaha has ever or will ever produce a Power User Guide for the arranger.  Why? Because up until the S970 and Genos, there was no need, especially with this Forum, which Yamaha monitors.  So the Forum takes the place of the Power Users Guide. (which is better than any document Yamaha would produce on its own). As the arranger becomes more sophisticated and complex, Yamaha just might see the need for such a document or begin to actively participating in this forum or creating their own as they have with their synth line.

Personally I think there is already a need for Yamaha to participate in this forum... it would very helpful.  The Genos is a big step up for a Yamaha arranger.  It has set a new standard... but more features and sophistication will come with future models because the younger generation wants more from an arranger keyboard.  They grew up on DAWs so the arranger is inferior to computer software. 

Think about it; if you have been driving a Lincoln from the start... would you want to drive a low-end compact economy car?



Joe H

[beykock]

Hi Joe :

It is very hard to believe Yamaha will EVER participate in any private forum. 

Being a commercial worldwide, international, private company with different divisions and product groups, Yamaha might have other priorities, I guess.

Yamaha have their own local help desks and dealers where all endusers are very welcome to be helped out.

Babette

[Lee Batchelor]

Personally I think there is already a need for Yamaha to participate in this forum... it would very helpful.

Agreed, Joe. For years, Bad Mister has "lived" on the Motif and now Montage forums. Back when the Motif first came out, it was revolutionary. There was an enormous gap between the PSR series and it. With the Genos, that gap is closing very fast. There may come a time where another "Bad Mister" chimes in once in a while to help with the advanced features of the Genos. I wonder how many heavy-weight Montage users also own a Genos, as another go-to instrument in their toolbox. Probably not that many, but it would be fun to chat with them about recording, effects, and other advanced level stuff. Perhaps they could chime in here once in a while .

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi

Better guides to integration with Cubase .
it took me quite some time getting into the basics.
Thankfully there are helpful people on this forum.
Things like using wave files with styles, using Phrazor and deeper guides into Yem constructing sound layers etc. More about using the supplied effects.what to do and not what to do enhancing sounds.
All we get is how to store files and push a few buttons which we can read in the manual
All the fun of the fair!!


all the best
john

[robinez]

Hi

Better guides to integration with Cubase .
it took me quite some time getting into the basics.
Thankfully there are helpful people on this forum.
Things like using wave files with styles, using Phrazor and deeper guides into Yem constructing sound layers etc. More about using the supplied effects.what to do and not what to do enhancing sounds.
All we get is how to store files and push a few buttons which we can read in the manual
All the fun of the fair!!


all the best
john

i do know all these kind of things, but i have a feeling after reading lot's of posts the last week over here that this isn't really the place to discuss those things. People made it very clear in this thread. These kind of discussions would be quite technical, boring and they aren't interested in that.

In my opinion the genos has stepped up the game in the technical field. I was wondered too that yamaha gives all kind of files on their site (for instance for cubase) but they don't explain how to do it. I can imagine that 99 percent of the genos users has no idea of how to set such things up or how to expand their sound libraries theirself or add their own multipads which were generated in cubase. It's not hard at all but you just need to know which tricks you need to do.

You can get a lot more out of the genos than you would expect on first sight, when you know your way around the technical stuff and doesn't treat the genos as a tyros 6, but more as a keyboard that supports the features that nowadays are quite common in the world (like touch screens, daw integration, wireless recording which works fantastically on a genos, enhancing the genos with midi loop recording on the fly through an ipad,  etc.)

But it is indeed technical and if only one or two people are interested in this then it's simply not worth the time to create youtube tutorials for how to do this.

[Alfred59]

I'd be very interested to have help/tutorials on Cubase/Genos integration and I know other people on the forum have this interest.

[Joe H]

Agreed, Joe. For years, Bad Mister has "lived" on the Motif and now Montage forums...

..."Bad Mister" chimes in once in a while to help with the advanced features of the Genos...

FYI... It was Phil (Bad Mister) who insulted me when I ask for help on his forum on how to integrate the arranger with the Motif.

He didn't actually say it, but his comments suggested the arranger (and I) were second class to the synth and synth owners.

I think his ego gets in the way sometimes.

BTW... it was Phil who wrote most or all of the Power Users Guides in the past.

Joe H

[panos]

I believe things have changed Joe from that point of view.
First class midi keyboard owners,second class synthesizer owners and third class arranger keyboard owners 

I 've read somewhere Gary saying that sometimes people are spending countless hours for creating sounds that are almost as good as Yamaha's.
Thinking about it, I will say that it's been more than 30+ years since the last time I've heard a real NEW sound from a synthesizer or whatever machine or computers or anything else.

And yet they still consider to be more "pro" instruments than an arranger keyboard.
A rhetorical question from a non musician (I am not looking for an answer of course ):
"Why exactly?"

[Joe H]

... Thinking about it, I will say that it's been more than 30+ years since the last time I've heard a real NEW sound from a synthesizer or whatever machine or computers or anything else...

The exception is with arranger keyboards that have expansion capabilities.  Now we can buy packs like EDM or create packs from SF2 samples that sound like a 1970s synthesizer.



Joe H

[Lee Batchelor]

Sorry to hear about that, Joe. It's so sad when one who has talent lets ego get in the way.