Anyone expecting an O.S. update?

[Bachus]

Hi
Has anyone contacted Yamaha about when or if any more updates will be released??
all the best
john

I asked Peter Baartmans at a demo late December
He said it was comming but could not give a date

Whne did the 1.30 get released?
My best bet is still 6 months after the last one..
But i guess they might be off that track..

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
1.30 was released      2018-04-11
Over nine months ago.

All the best
John

[EileenL]

Hi Bachus,
  I don't think anything is perfect but Genos is a very fine keyboard and I am sure most of us will have done our homework and knew what we were getting. At the beginning some functions were not working correctly and many of them have been put right. There are still a few that can be improved upon and I am sure in time they will be. As everyone here probably knows I have played gigs and also played for local shows but now at the age of nearly 83 have retired from these and am purely a home player and find Genos gives me all I want and I am able to do all the editing I require on the keyboard so Am one Happy Bunny.

[StuartR]

Hi
1.30 was released      2018-04-11
Over nine months ago.

All the best
John

I would have expected Yamaha to announce any additional features to Genos during winter NAMM. That didn't happen so I'm now thinking any future updates may just be bug fixes as was the case with the Tyros family. I hope I'm proven wrong of course but I don't know why it would take this long to add features or improvements (like real time control behavior for example).

[Toril S]

That will be in Genos2😀

[Bachus]

I would have expected Yamaha to announce any additional features to Genos during winter NAMM. That didn't happen so I'm now thinking any future updates may just be bug fixes as was the case with the Tyros family. I hope I'm proven wrong of course but I don't know why it would take this long to add features or improvements (like real time control behavior for example).

Namm is not the place to do anything arranger related..
It will simply not get noted on Namm..

If there is a place where it could happen then its Musikmesse..

Altough i have come to the conclsuion that its often wiser for things like this to be their own event..
Because in such case, they don't have to share attention with others..

[fabpianista]

If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.

Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! 

[StuartR]

If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.

Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! 

Is this information personal opinion or do you have a reliable first- hand source?

[Bachus]

If we look for patterns, I am expecting updates until the end of the next year (12/2020). And yes, we will probably get an update soon.

Hopefully we will have audio over USB? Can't wait! 

I highly doubt if audio over USB is an option for Genos.
The hardware is not quite the same as the Montage, and there seems to be a different type of bus between the USB port and the processing hardware.

PJ might have an answer on this, he knows everything there is to know about the hardware differences between montage and Genos.

Currently the Audio in is also not routed trough the sound engine..
While on MODX/Montage you can route both audio ions trough the master effect and EQ section

For me being able to route the analogue audio in comming from MODX trough the master EQ and compressor of the Genos would be a nice thing.. since the MODX has master EQ and dsp that are set/performance, asuming an external mixer for the mastering with the rest of the band.

[pjd]

PJ might have an answer on this, ...

Thanks, Bachus.

Without getting too nerdy, the Montage is deliberately designed to move and process audio. Montage has five flexible, internal digital audio paths and a processor (SSP2) dedicated to USB audio. The SSP2 implements the USB to HOST port and the host CPU never handles high audio bandwidth. This is like having a Steinberg UR44 built into the Montage (minus the preamps and extra analog inputs).

The Genos host CPU implements the USB to HOST port, so all USB audio would need to go through the main CPU (ARM architecture). The host CPU can send digital audio to the Master SWP70 tone generator where the audio enters the mainstream processing. Incoming USB audio would need to travel this path.

The AUXIN and MIC-IN are sent to the Master SWP70 tone generator, not the host CPU. There is a single stereo digital audio (I2S format) path from the Master SWP70 to the host CPU. Outgoing audio would need to travel this path.

So, at best, it might be possible to implement 2 channels of USB audio in and out -- kind of like the latest PSRs. The new Sonogenic, for example, can play and record USB or Bluetooth audio. Yamaha will definitely want to add this capability to either Genos 1.x or 2.0.

I think it's do-able, but Genos is not in the same class as Montage when it comes to audio handling.

Hope this helps (and may be TMI for some) -- pj

[fabpianista]

Is this information personal opinion or do you have a reliable first- hand source?

Hi Stuart,

It was just a supposition, after reviewing timelines for other recent keyboards from Yamaha. I hope it makes sense.

[StuartR]

Hi Stuart,

It was just a supposition, after reviewing timelines for other recent keyboards from Yamaha. I hope it makes sense.

Yeah, that's true for most, if not all of the comments made here about future update timelines. I don't really understand why this would be such a closely held secret by Yamaha.

[beykock]

Hi Guys,

Very interesting questions and answers.

IMHO Yamaha's updates are mostly made to " repair " bugs but not to add new features ...
Yamaha's updates are not called upgrades, I guess.

Plse keep in mind an arranger keyboard is absolutely not a synth.
In the past I had both : an arranger and a synth.

Nowadays a DAW helps me a lot and one Yamaha arranger
( a T5 ) is more than enough for me to do the work I enjoy to do in my cave, being " a home player ".

Yamaha's arranger keyboards have always been " plug-and-play " electronic keyboards.

Hopefully their policy will never change to avoid an arranger keyboard will become a more " complicated " instrument like a synth, one of the keyboards professionals like, I guess.

Keep it simple and improve the sound, memory etc. but please ... do not shoot a winning horse.😒

We are lucky Yamaha are manufacturing synths too for those who want/need typical additional synth features.

A DAW like Cubase e.g. might also be an extra tool if one wants more ( editing etc. ).

Who am I to tell you what is right or wrong.
I only want to share my personal opinion.

Take care,🌹

Babette

[Antonio]

Many of us would be disappointed if there are no further updates.

Cheers,
Fred

I would say angry! never been able to wait for such an update for so long, it seems that only one person works on the project.
But if this person goes to a better life? Ha ha

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

I do not know what all the fuss is about. If you want more go Cubase and VST instruments . Sky is the limit then.

The Genos is 100% as It is to me, no problems only pilot era sometimes
I am finding the more you go Into the Genos the easier It gets. Split the keyboard add registrations and a couple of foot pedals then you can achieve bucket loads and get used to the bend stick. You are a one man band like Don Partridge --Rosie oh Rosie'  or slap me Rosie
Yamaha could sort out the wave program.
Sampletank 4 has just been released and it is a whopper of a program!! 200 gig of content. That'll keep you quiet for a while.
Just keep banging the keys it's fun.


All the best
John

[Bachus]

Thanks, Bachus.

Without getting too nerdy, the Montage is deliberately designed to move and process audio. Montage has five flexible, internal digital audio paths and a processor (SSP2) dedicated to USB audio. The SSP2 implements the USB to HOST port and the host CPU never handles high audio bandwidth. This is like having a Steinberg UR44 built into the Montage (minus the preamps and extra analog inputs).

The Genos host CPU implements the USB to HOST port, so all USB audio would need to go through the main CPU (ARM architecture). The host CPU can send digital audio to the Master SWP70 tone generator where the audio enters the mainstream processing. Incoming USB audio would need to travel this path.

The AUXIN and MIC-IN are sent to the Master SWP70 tone generator, not the host CPU. There is a single stereo digital audio (I2S format) path from the Master SWP70 to the host CPU. Outgoing audio would need to travel this path.

So, at best, it might be possible to implement 2 channels of USB audio in and out -- kind of like the latest PSRs. The new Sonogenic, for example, can play and record USB or Bluetooth audio. Yamaha will definitely want to add this capability to either Genos 1.x or 2.0.

I think it's do-able, but Genos is not in the same class as Montage when it comes to audio handling.

Hope this helps (and may be TMI for some) -- pj

Thanks PJ, for explaining..
Makes it hard to believe Yamaha will add Audio over USB to the genos.

Or even audio processing of the analogue input. It would be great to be able to apply the Genos EQ and compr settings to an external audio source. It would benefit my MODX quite a lot, since there is no real Master EQ in the sense of whats there in the Genos. Its/performance master settings.  Being able to route the MODX sound trough the Genos Master DSP, would make a huge difference for integrating both instruments

[pjd]

Hi Bachus --

I'm glad that info was helpful.

The only real alternative (and I'm sure you thought of it) is to route the Genos into the MODX and let the MODX system effects do the final EQ and compression. The Montage/MODX Parallel Compressor is the same algorithm as the Genos Master Compressor. Unfortunately, the Montage/MODX master EQ is 5 bands, not 8. That's one place where the Genos exceeds the Montage spec.

Add that to the list of Montage enhancements in the next version. 

All the best -- pj

[Bachus]

Hi Bachus --

I'm glad that info was helpful.

The only real alternative (and I'm sure you thought of it) is to route the Genos into the MODX and let the MODX system effects do the final EQ and compression. The Montage/MODX Parallel Compressor is the same algorithm as the Genos Master Compressor. Unfortunately, the Montage/MODX master EQ is 5 bands, not 8. That's one place where the Genos exceeds the Montage spec.

Add that to the list of Montage enhancements in the next version. 

All the best -- pj

I tried that one first

But the MAster section of the MODX is not really a master section in the traditional way of arrangers. Master EQ and COmpression are part of the performance and not global settings..  So when connected to the MODX, the Genos audio jumps all over the place in vollume.  And edditing all thousands of performances seperately is not something i want to do..

There offcourse is a reason behind the differences in structure..  Genos is the final mixer of its own accomapniment band. MODX expects a Mixer for its connection to the rest of the band, which is used for mastering the mix. But all of this makes the MODX unsuited when just selectingn presets to combine them with the Genos accompaniments.

[Christophermoment]

To Bachus; Go to Utility- Effect Switch. There you can turn Global A/D on or off.


Christopher.

[Paolo82]

when is the new update for genos?

[EileenL]

No one knows or even if there will be one.

[StuartR]

when is the new update for genos?

That's a good question. Several forum members have indicated that they had heard it would happen this month but so far nothing and there are only 2 days left in the month. And as always, no word from Yamaha and its been over 10 months since the last update.

[soryt]

I hope they wil fix the problems with the registrations , and i hope that there wil be a better sound editing program than the terrible Expansion manager software

Soryt 

[pjd]

Ah, the thread that won't die... 

Someone has probably noted this already, but the date of the last update (v1.3) as shown on the Yamaha USA Genos downloads page is 11 April 2018. This coincided with the first day for the 2018 Frankfurt Musikmesse.

The 2019 Musikmesse starts on April 4.

If there's no update on or before the 4th, then c'est la vie. 

-- pj

[StuartR]

Ah, the thread that won't die... 

Someone has probably noted this already, but the date of the last update (v1.3) as shown on the Yamaha USA Genos downloads page is 11 April 2018. This coincided with the first day for the 2018 Frankfurt Musikmesse.

The 2019 Musikmesse starts on April 4.

If there's no update on or before the 4th, then c'est la vie. 

-- pj

An interesting factoid.... let's hope that Yamaha doesn't disappoint otherwise we're probably done with any significant feature additions to Genos, a sad day to be sure.

[Bachus]

To Bachus; Go to Utility- Effect Switch. There you can turn Global A/D on or off.


Christopher.

Thank You CHristopher

[Bachus]

when is the new update for genos?

Its almost April now.
My best bet is they will announce it at musik messe (early april)
And there will be some new features in it
To give Genos a small sales mid life sales push

[EileenL]

Well we have never seen new features added to updates. Just small faults corrected as I suspect will be the case next time.

[Oldden]

I think that some of the updates people ask for will only be needed by a small fraction of users. Yamaha has only a certain number of staff and resources which are available, so I suppose they will pick, assuming we get an update, what they think is best.
Oldden

[DerekA]

I don't believe Yamaha has ever promised to release any updates for the PSR, Tyros or Genos.

They will have plenty of buyers when Genos2 comes along; I don't see much incentive there for them to do anything that's not fixing a critical flaw, by which I mean something that doesn't work as described in the manuals 99.9% of the time.