New Realtime arranger software announcement

[groovyband.live]

I also have one issue on which perhaps Henni or the GBL team might be able to help.

Using the GBL demo, I'm finding that I get a slight (and noticeable) lag/delay after changing the LH chord on the keyboard before it changes in GBL.

I don't know whether this is a hardware, latency or software issue - any suggestions as to what I can try to eliminate this?

My keyboard is Tyros 5 and my PC consists of Intel i7-6700 processor + 16GB DDR4 RAM running Windows 10.

Regards

Roy

For sure it is NOT an underpowered PC issue. We use it with a tablet having a 1.1GHz Atom CPU, with zero delay (and the CPU usage with a single digit percentage).

Two questions:

1) Are you using USB or 5 pins midi cable?
2) When pressing a RH note (melody) is there a delay?

Actually a few more....

If you disable (unlit Enable button) most ACMP parts is there an improvement or not?
When you switch styles do you notice a delay or is it perfectly smooth?

I am trying to determine if it is a problem of midi bandwidth (a lot of data delayed waiting its turn to pass in a narrow channel) or not.

[Henni]

May I suggest you divert your skills to what the potential customers are saying and make a really basic simple step by step video tutorial explaining how to set up and use the product.....even though you may think it's already as clear as it may be: a picture or in this case a video tells more than a 1000 words.....hence the popularity of YouTube etc.

I think at this stage it makes better sense than samples/demos.

...But I will post some videos in the future. I have the prospect of free WiFi soon as I am currently using a modem on a metered connection only so videos are TOTALLY out!

[elad770]

I was literally containing myself not to reply because I don't want to make Henni upset

but since mikf mentioned this twice I can't hold it anymore!!

Guys, are you serious? There's a very basic misunderstanding of whats going on here. I see now more clear after mikf comments.

The features that this software brings to the user, not only are useless to me but in my case will do more harm than good. I will explain:

"1. Better styles
2. Easier editing and styles creation.
3. Easier to add effects
4. 8 Variations
5. 8 OTSes
6. Two breaks
7. Seamless OTS changes
8. Control lead voices in-out/volume by way of playing on keys
9. Swap the inside variation sections around to your liking on the fly
10. Transpose & save any voice/s inside an acc. on the fly whilst performing
11. Intelligently continuously moving split-point to just above where you currently play your chords
12. Round Robin type effects assigned to lead voices to your personal liking."

1. It's not what I heard. I haven't' heard 1 style that is better than the previous style. I obviously work off the Genos but the PSR S770 has excellent sounds and all of them can be designed to create those styles. In other words, the software does nothing in terms of style quality but rather ease up the style design

2. I agree to that but with all due respect, those who know the Yamaha system find style design a pretty easy task

3. Not that easier to justify 200$. It's definitely doable with ease with the psr s770

4+5+6 This is an important one and Mikf was trying to hint that: There's a limit to how many elements your ear can pick up before it sounds disturbing! There's a VERY good reason why we have 16 track total and there's also a good reason why both flagship keyboards PA4X And Genos will have no more than 4 Variation. Because you do NOT NEED more than that and actually with the proper usage of registrations you can have a total of 12 Variations and 12 OTS ! and in the Genos you would have technically if you wanted to, 14 Vari and 14 OTS
How much more could you possibly need to play a single song?! Do you think it's hard for Yamaha to add 2 additional buttons to Genos to separate it from S770 and the rest? It's a piece of cake but they concluded after researching this that it is absolutely not needed and the styles are very rich and full. Adding more and more to it will make no sense. Also, what's limiting you to add as many elements as you want? The polyphony which is something the software can not address.
and the most important thing: Henni created a style with 8 Variations and gave it to me to play on my Genos - It's useless unless i have the software that can recognize it!
A complete waste of time. Every Variation has a fill, + a break. How many breaks do you need? I need a break from this LOL....
I think you need better training to maximize the usage of registrations better. the amount of combinations is insane.

7. Seemless change - I haven't heard even once what seamless is as opposed to not seamless. I never had an issue with transitioning. I will not comment on something i haven't heard

8+9. sounds like nice words for something i currently have. Make a video to demonstrate what exactly that means

10. Transpose and save a voice....... - Are you serious? How inferior the s770 is? This is a very good instrument. Are you sure you mastered it?

11. Intelligently split........ ? you want to tell me you can not Intelligently split your keyboard now?

12. Have no idea what you just said. make a video

I hope everyone catches my drift here....

[Henni]

...I can't hold it anymore!!

Guys, are you serious? There's a very basic misunderstanding of whats going on here. I see now more clear after mikf comments.

The features that this software brings to the user, not only are useless to me but in my case will do more harm than good. I will explain:

"1. Better styles
2. Easier editing and styles creation.
3. Easier to add effects
4. 8 Variations
5. 8 OTSes
6. Two breaks
7. Seamless OTS changes
8. Control lead voices in-out/volume by way of playing on keys
9. Swap the inside variation sections around to your liking on the fly
10. Transpose & save any voice/s inside an acc. on the fly whilst performing
11. Intelligently continuously moving split-point to just above where you currently play your chords
12. Round Robin type effects assigned to lead voices to your personal liking."

1. It's not what I heard. I haven't' heard 1 style that is better than the previous style. I obviously work off the Genos but the PSR S770 has excellent sounds and all of them can be designed to create those styles. In other words, the software does nothing in terms of style quality but rather ease up the style design
Answer: This comment came from Mikef - please take up with him

Listening to the above demos I could hear and recognize styles that they are presets on our keyboards.
If they are exactly the same?
No they are not, at least not on my s750.
The same way as I can hear the same styles to have different and better voicing and to be differently and better equalized on the Genos and on the SX900 for example.

7. Seemless change - I haven't heard even once what seamless is as opposed to not seamless. I never had an issue with transitioning. I will not comment on something i haven't heard
Answer: You obviously do not read all recent posts on this forum. Enlighten yourself by reading this - there are more discussions on this if you only search for it...

That still requires a total overwrite of the software, since its fully based on 32 channels each with their own specific need, they would have to add 4 extra channels to their software, with their own DSP chains.

You are probably right, that this would be enough, but from my technical background, i would say this would mean a lot of work for Yamaha. You never know, but i highly doubt they will put that much effort in a patch.

8+9. sounds like nice words for something i currently have. Make a video to demonstrate what exactly that means
Answer: No, first post an audio demo here showing me you can do same - I've already posted mine.

Whilst playing, R1 does not alter at all by your playing style. Thus you can press harder or softer with no adverse effect at all.

However, R2 & R3 are severely effected by your playing style.

1. Play softer, the voices grow softer.
2. Play even more gentle and they fade away altogether.
3. Play more aggressive and they REALLY start to come alive.

Demonstrated here.

Fantastic for i.e. having FULL control of choirs singing along with your lead voice - I am sure all of this is user definable so R1 does not HAVE to be fixed as per this example

10. Transpose and save a voice....... - Are you serious? How inferior the s770 is? This is a very good instrument. Are you sure you mastered it?
Answer: Please explain step by step to all here how this is achieved - I am sure even Yamaha will find this one QUITE interesting.

you have to go to Style Creator-Record-Step Edit to modify each note one by one for the channel you want to change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHQcJPY2uEs

11. Intelligently split........ ? you want to tell me you can not Intelligently split your keyboard now?
Answer: You must be joking - it frees up more right hand notes whilst you play your chords lower. Tell me why you need 76 keys if this is not important.

...I would buy it instantly... if it had 76 keys. Long before Yamaha introduced arrangers with 76 keys I wished one of those (a Genos is beyond my reach).
I wonder if this seller knows there will soon be a replacement for the S775/S975.
We already are occupying a portion of the keyboard playing chords with the left hand, on 61 keys keyboards I feel a bit limited.

I hope everyone catches my drift here....

Yes, I catch your drift - you obviously like to discuss things of which you know NOTHING about as if you've mastered it - hence no samples of ANYTHING you claim whereas I post samples of EVERYTHING I claim...

[Toril S]

Calm down everyone! It is just a computer program, if you like it, fine! If not, do not bother with it. BASTA!

[Janus]

I don't think so
It is a pay app
It takes a lot of space almost the half of the messages
And it is free advertising
He got is own webpage Go there for info

[RoyB]

For sure it is NOT an underpowered PC issue. We use it with a tablet having a 1.1GHz Atom CPU, with zero delay (and the CPU usage with a single digit percentage).

Two questions:

1) Are you using USB or 5 pins midi cable?
2) When pressing a RH note (melody) is there a delay?

Actually a few more....

If you disable (unlit Enable button) most ACMP parts is there an improvement or not?
When you switch styles do you notice a delay or is it perfectly smooth?

I am trying to determine if it is a problem of midi bandwidth (a lot of data delayed waiting its turn to pass in a narrow channel) or not.

Thanks GBL for replying to my issue.

(1) USB cable
(2) No
(3) Disable ACMP Parts - no difference
(3) Switching styles - Can't really try that while playing as GBL demo is installed on a desktop PC

With the the bass part dfisabled I can hear a bit better what is happening. When I change chord on time with the beat, there seems to be a smooth 'slurring' of notes from one chord to the next - rather like legato. It seems to start the instance I press a different chord (no delay) but the very slight time it takes to 'legato' to the new chord notes seems to give the impression of a slight delay and it doesn't sound good

I thought at first it might have been how I was playing the LH, but having tried a few things I don't think it is.

It doesn't happen when I switch 'HOLD' off (chord then changes perfectly), but that is not my preferred way of playing.

Regards

Roy

[RoyB]

To GBL

A little bit more information.

On further testing, 'HOLD' disabled does not completely eliminate it. It just occured less because I played the chords more carefully than when 'HOLD' is on.

Regards

Roy

[groovyband.live]

Roy,

I cannot further help because, being not present and not seeing/hearing what is happening I have no a clear idea of the problem.
But I think it should be something "local" to your PC because nobody else has ever complained for such an issue. And here too we cannot reproduce any problem.

What we can say is that sometimes the strangest and bizarre issues (with no logical explanation) magically disappeared when the customer reinstalled the OS. Interaction between software components can be very complex, and sometimes Windows itself, after years of software install/uninstall and MS updates, is the problem.

I am NOT saying it is your case. Just brainstorming.

The day before yesterday we had a user that after installing the demo could not get the program to run. He clicked on the shortcut and nothing happened. He tried to run directly the executable with administrator rights and nothing happened.

At the end he decided to reinstall Windows, and magically everything worked fine!
Nobody knew what was the problem, but for sure nothing we could do would have solved it.

Sorry,
GBL

[RoyB]

GBL

Thank you for trying.

I understand. In fact, it does not seem to be the same in all sessions. When I first installed and tried GBL a few weeks ago, I didn't notice this effect and all seemed OK. I only first noticed it a few days ago, and it seems to be noticeable on some occasions more than others.

The only thing I have changed on my PC in this time is to install Loop Be1 to test how GBL communicates with other software. I have tried muting and disabling this but it doesn't seem to make much difference - I will see what happens when I completely uninstall it.

I also have a 2nd keyboard (Roland FA08) which I can test as a MIDI keyboard controller with GBL to see if it is the same when I play on this. I have tried this already (before I noticed this problem )and it worked fine then with GBL using the FA08 as the keyboard controller and my Tyros 5 as the sound generator.

Regards

Roy

[Henni]

...The only thing I have changed on my PC in this time is to install Loop Be1 to test how GBL communicates with other software...

Roy, I honestly suspect that this is the culprit of your latency problem. You could:

1. Uninstall Loop Be1
2. Uninstall GBL demo
3. Install & run the free AVSRegistryCleaner
4. Re-install GBL demo

It should clear your problem completely.

[beykock]

Hello Everybody :

I would be very grateful if we finally will END the GBL program discussion.

GBL is an expensive commercial third party program.

Up to now this small company has only one customer here.

There is no video available. One can only download a trial version.

THIS FORUM IS A YAMAHA FORUM AND NOT A GBL FORUM.

GBL has a website.
Plse go to THEIR website if questions etc. arise.

THANK YOU ALL !💐

Best wishes, Babette

[Henni]

Hello Everybody :

I would be very grateful if we finally wilI END the GBL program discussion.

GBL is an expensive commercial third party program.

Up to now this small company has only one customer here.

There is no video available. One can only download a trial version.

THIS FORUM IS A YAMAHA FORUM AND NOT A GBL FORUM.

GBL has a website.
Plse go to THEIR website if questions etc. arise.

THANK YOU ALL !💐

Best wishes, Babette

Babette,

How many styles or ANYTHING else of any value (apart from your constant babbling) have you uploaded here or ANYWHERE else for free that cost you many, many, many nights of work?

...Please spew your remarks someplace else.

You DO have this nasty habit of airing your views in topics of absolutely no interest to you, don't you? Not only that, you've also CLEARLY demonstrated that you cannot even begin to grasp some of the technical issues being discussed over here...

[Roger Brenizer]

Hi Babette,

You do not have to be a part of this discussion nor are your required to read this topic.  If you have enabled notifications to this topic and/or board, then simply check "unnotify" in your Profile "Notification" settings.

You apparently visit this topic frequently and have commented several times.  If this topic is no longer of interest to you, simply turn your attention to other topics of interest.

[beykock]

Thank you, Guys, your message is very clear to me. 

Best wishes, Babette

[groovyband.live]

When I first installed and tried GBL a few weeks ago, I didn't notice this effect and all seemed OK. I only first noticed it a few days ago, and it seems to be noticeable on some occasions more than others.

The only thing I have changed on my PC in this time is to install Loop Be1 to test how GBL communicates with other software. I have tried muting and disabling this but it doesn't seem to make much difference - I will see what happens when I completely uninstall it.

Roy,

in fact we had the feeling that the problem should have something to do with the OS. Your observation that initially everything was OK and the problem arose only after a modification to the system, seems to confirm this.

Especially if you modify something at the driver level (kernel space), and (what a coincidence!) a midi driver!! Exactly where there is the issue (a driver interacts at kernel level -- unrestricted access, and highest priority -- with all the OS midi subsystem and certainly it CAN introduce delays).

With a little of experimentation I think you can restore your system functionality as it was before!


P.S.: Our software is entirely a user space process. It is a self-contained ~1 MB executable (tiny!!!!!) with no other dependencies and with NO modifications whatsoever on your system. If you simply delete its file no traces will remain on your system.

Being so small and optimized (no bloatware) is the reason it starts in a mere fraction of a second, only uses 50 MB of RAM and almost no CPU (good for tablets battery life). And everything is lightning fast and responsive.

[groovyband.live]

I also have a 2nd keyboard (Roland FA08) which I can test as a MIDI keyboard controller with GBL ... I have tried this already (before I noticed this problem ) and it worked fine then with GBL using the FA08 as the keyboard controller and my Tyros 5 as the sound generator.

You can use both keyboards (FA08 and Tyros) at the same time. Dual keyboard setup. On one keyboard you play chords + lead voices. On the other you play aux voices (split/layers as you wish, configurable for each style).

You decide what keyboard fulfills what role. You have a choice of keybed size and key-action to suit your preferences!

If you had a pedalborad (or a third keyboard), GBL could manage that too! And everytime you switch style everything is configured automatically to that specific performance need: the style carries the setup for your whole equipments. As simple as that.

[RoyB]

Hello GBL

Thank you for your responses. I'm sure I can get my issue sorted.

There were 3 reasons why I wanted also to try GBL with my Roland FA08:-

(1) To try GBL in a multi-keyboard setup as you described. And it worked well.

(2) To try the FA08 with GBL as the primary keyboard controller. This is because the FA08 is so much more suited to the role. Compared to my Tyros, setting up MIDI on the FA08 for GBL is a simple 2 stage process- (a) turn Local Off; (b) press the DAW Control button. This converts the FA08 into MIDI controller mode, and allows me to assign your GBL control functions to various knobs and buttons on the FA08 (which I can't do on my Tyros) - much better for controlling the styles and a few effects. And it worked well. Problem is that it takes several minutes to set up the bindings in GBL, by the end of which I only have a short demo time left before I have to restart GBL and do it again!

(3) I was rather curious as to what would happen when a I tried GBL with a non-Yamaha sound engine (FA08 as the keyboard controller and sound engine). As you might expect, it wasn't great, but it wasn't horrendous either. I guess it might work better if I just used the GM voice set in GBL.

Regards

Roy

[Henni]

Just created something else:

StadiumRockGvy

Also discovered another neat feature:

There are four slots for binding parameters. I can create four different sets to be active at any time.

Why is this handy? Well say I created a binding for a certain key to activate select next variation in Slot 1. Every time I want to move to the next variation, either I select in on the touch screen or I push the key attached to the binding.

But now for a certain song I simply cannot take my hands off the keys as the song is too busy. I then re-produce all my bindings in Slot 2 but select next variation based on how hard I press my chords instead.

So now when I play this song, I select Slot 2 and now all my other bindings are there with the new binding instead for next variation.

Cool! I hope I can save binding slot opened to Registration - I can now see a LOT of uses for this feature as up to now I did not understand why four slots were allocated for it.

Groovyband Live! team, you put a LOT of thought into your user interface & I absolutely like & enjoy the way you approach things.

When I purchased my Audya, I immediately realized a bond with it until now that I've souped up my Yamaha so much. I experience the same bond with GBL software. It fits my needs and way of thinking perfectly.

[groovyband.live]

Also discovered another neat feature:

There are four slots for binding parameters. I can create four different sets to be active at any time.

.....

Cool! I hope I can save binding slot opened to Registration - I can now see a LOT of uses for this feature as up to now I did not understand why four slots were allocated for it.

Currently you cannot. But we have already taken note to include this feature in the next update. 

[groovyband.live]

Hello GBL

Thank you for your responses. I'm sure I can get my issue sorted.

There were 3 reasons why I wanted also to try GBL with my Roland FA08:-

(1) To try GBL in a multi-keyboard setup as you described. And it worked well.

(2) To try the FA08 with GBL as the primary keyboard controller. This is because the FA08 is so much more suited to the role. Compared to my Tyros, setting up MIDI on the FA08 for GBL is a simple 2 stage process- (a) turn Local Off; (b) press the DAW Control button. This converts the FA08 into MIDI controller mode, and allows me to assign your GBL control functions to various knobs and buttons on the FA08 (which I can't do on my Tyros) - much better for controlling the styles and a few effects. And it worked well. Problem is that it takes several minutes to set up the bindings in GBL, by the end of which I only have a short demo time left before I have to restart GBL and do it again!

This is exactly the job of a demo: let you touch with your hands what the program can do, and how well it does. So that you do not have to blindly believe to marketing statements.

But when you want to be serious and productive, not to be a substitute for the paid version. Otherwise we will go bankrupt! 

(3) I was rather curious as to what would happen when a I tried GBL with a non-Yamaha sound engine (FA08 as the keyboard controller and sound engine). As you might expect, it wasn't great, but it wasn't horrendous either. I guess it might work better if I just used the GM voice set in GBL.

Actually our software has been developed with an open architecture, so that it can be easily ported to various sound sources (HW = synths, and SW = VST).
To make it sound perfect for a given synth you have to personalize some hooks (i.e. sy*** messages, CC numbers, bank and program changes, DSP effects and parameters) and finally retouch the whole body of styles to sound good with the new sound set and effects. No rocket science, only some good musical taste!

We are already working for the next move. The XG sound generator was only the first step. Out there there are a lot of synths much better equipped in term of HW resources than a Yamaha arranger. And also cost much less!

Additionally they are a couple of generations (~15 years) ahead: audio over USB, assignable controllers, good DAW integration, .....

And it should be also much easier to sell a software arranger to someone owning a synth rather than a (possibly less capable) HW arranger already.

[Henni]

We are already working for the next move. The XG sound generator was only the first step. Out there there are a lot of synths much better equipped in term of HW resources than a Yamaha arranger. And also cost much less!

Additionally they are a couple of generations (~15 years) ahead: audio over USB, assignable controllers, good DAW integration, .....

And it should be also much easier to sell a software arranger to someone owning a synth rather than a (possibly less capable) HW arranger already.

I can only imagine the AMAZING results coming out of all of this!!!

[mikf]

.........should be also much easier to sell a software arranger to someone owning a synth rather than a (possibly less capable) HW arranger already.

That makes much more sense to me. I could see it being an attractive add on for a synth. Not so much for arranger owners.
Mike

[RoyB]

I agree - I think that is where the real potential for this software lies.

Possibly also, in  conjunction with a software synth engine, to use with a midi controller keyboard in a home studio recording setup??

I have already decided that I probably won't be buying another hardware Arrranger (unless someone brings out something that it is really innovative or radically different rather than re-packgaing existing technologies). I will be looking at software arrangers and other software developments such as this to use with a synth workstation, or midi controller keyboard with a PC.

Regards

Roy

[markstyles]

GroovyBand, clearly specifies it is for Genos, and other Yamaha arrangers, (list is mentioned)..  It would be of little to no use in it's present form to other synths, even arrangers by other companies, unless they used the same protocols that Yamaha hi end machines use.

. Because Groovy Band Live was specifically designed Genos/Tryos .  It outputs Midi/and syses messages. The Standard MIDI specs, provided a way for any device to talk to any other specific keyboard/sound modules. Each manufacturer and each instrument has a unique 'code'  Similar to an IP address on your computer.  No other instrument is even capable of 'hearing' those commands.

The Genos could be defined as 16 separate sequencers, (8 styles generators) Right 1,2,3, Left, 4 pads.  With a number of DSP effects, that are manipulated, re-assigned in real time (or synced up to a computer).   That plus it has great sounds.. 

This is a mind boggling amount of processes to manipulate.  Yamaha had the gigantuan task of writing code and presenting the user with a very reasonable GUI to operate it.  As a consequence of making it 'easy enough' for some one to use, yet powerful enough for great results, they had to strongly limit the access a user has to it's inner working.   Otherwise it would be too hard to work with, and too expensive to write and debug the code necessary to 'harness this beast'.   Over the years Yamaha has really refined the process.

Many years ago, I found a long post on a forum somewhere written by one of the code programmers who designed the Tyros Operating system.  He mentioned it being a huge challenge to harness the potential capability of the Tyros, yet make the OS work simplex enough for the average consumer.  But they did write code and put in 'hook's for someone later to work with his computer Daw, to get Tyros to do a lot more. 

I have been experimenting and working with kbd arranger hardware since the Tyros 3.   By syncing Tyros/now Genus.  I can create as many individual style generated parts as I want.   I make up registrations, that only consist of bass pars.  So with a setup of registrations, I now have access to 32 individual bass parts that I can lay into a piece.  I have the kbd 'mains' parts changing at different times. 

With Current Genos, all 8 instruments change parts at the same time.  An astute trained listener will realize this.  But for live performance, The Genos outputs more than enough data, to not notice.  In fact it is one of it's strengths, that enough 'players in the band' move to playing different chord comping, motifs etc.

Groovy band live is the first program to my knowledge that allows you to have 8 mains parts.

The concept of have many more instruments to control, and the strength of Genos DSP effects, give you a lot of power.

Technology is really moving forward quickly at this point..   I have been following the AVIA system of music composition https://aiva.ai

This heavy duty program 'generates' the music.  You specify parameters. length, tempo, happy mood, etc. Then the software generates a piece.  Programmer have studied a lot of different types of music and written code to duplicate it..  Although this is a place I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO.   There will most likely be a pretty strong demand for it.   

With the internet movie/show streaming , there is now a tremendous demand for more product.   Producers of video, can specify some parameters, and get  a piece, which is their property  Whether one thinks is is WONDERFUL or TERRIBLE is really irrelevant.  People will use it.

Groovy band live has taken a bold step..  From reading the manual an playing with the demo. They have obviously put a tremendous amount of work (and love) into this project.. 

There are also many other companies writing 'A.I'.    It will only continue. 

We as individuals, decide for ourselves, this is something I would like to get into or not.  And each has its place.  Of course companies are driven by making $$$. so the applications which sells the most will prosper, and other companies will seek to emulate them. 

The DAWS, Cubase, Logic Pro, Reaper, Nuendo, Pro-tools are all successful, they have enough of a user base to  keep them going. 

[markstyles]

In all the years I have been here, I have never seen some of the negative posts on this thread lately.

What attracted me to PSRTutorial is it's tremendous wealth of information and the professionalism and courtesyness of the members. 

I believe GroovyBandLive is a valid program. It was designed to specifically work with Genos, Tyros.   If people don't like it for some reason,  DO NOT READ THIS THREAD.  and more importantly DON"T START A FLAME WAR.

I have respect for all the member heres. We share a strong love for our Yamaha arranger keyboards..  I like to read about members with a different model yamaha than me.  I like to be informed of what Korg, Ketron, Roland are doing in the  arranger department. 

Although I use a Mac, I don't get upset, and post comments about reference to the many free PC programs available.

Ask questions, if you decide a certain 3rd party software is not for you, state so (or not) and move on.  Don't make it bad experience for others here. 

I admire Henne's strong liking for something.  It's enjoyable to read about his enthusiasm.  He has contributed much to this site over the years.  and I take strong stock in what says.  I have used one of his software programs.

Personally I would like to see Genos be more of a 'studio instrument' but it is what it is.  And many people prefer it stay a 'one man band' keyboard.  That is fine.  I don't negative comment on a person's music piece, because they played it live, and their timging could be tighter. And the folks who see the Genos, as a 'one man band' only keyboard don't listen to my pieces and  rag on them because I did a lot of manipulation, overdubbing, and yes, sometimes use a couple of sounds from another keyboard.

Yamaha has carefully cultivated it's image of what the top of the line arranger keyboard is.  AND they are beginning to grasp, that they could attack more customers by 'widening' the scope of what Genos can do. 

Life changes and evolves.  That's the nature of it. 

[rphillipchuk]

In all the years I have been here, I have never seen some of the negative posts on this thread lately.

What attracted me to PSRTutorial is it's tremendous wealth of information and the professionalism and courtesyness of the members. 

I believe GroovyBandLive is a valid program. It was designed to specifically work with Genos, Tyros.   If people don't like it for some reason,  DO NOT READ THIS THREAD.  and more importantly DON"T START A FLAME WAR.

I have respect for all the member heres. We share a strong love for our Yamaha arranger keyboards..  I like to read about members with a different model yamaha than me.  I like to be informed of what Korg, Ketron, Roland are doing in the  arranger department. 

Although I use a Mac, I don't get upset, and post comments about reference to the many free PC programs available.

Ask questions, if you decide a certain 3rd party software is not for you, state so (or not) and move on.  Don't make it bad experience for others here. 

I admire Henne's strong liking for something.  It's enjoyable to read about his enthusiasm.  He has contributed much to this site over the years.  and I take strong stock in what says.  I have used one of his software programs.

Personally I would like to see Genos be more of a 'studio instrument' but it is what it is.  And many people prefer it stay a 'one man band' keyboard.  That is fine.  I don't negative comment on a person's music piece, because they played it live, and their timging could be tighter. And the folks who see the Genos, as a 'one man band' only keyboard don't listen to my pieces and  rag on them because I did a lot of manipulation, overdubbing, and yes, sometimes use a couple of sounds from another keyboard.

Yamaha has carefully cultivated it's image of what the top of the line arranger keyboard is.  AND they are beginning to grasp, that they could attack more customers by 'widening' the scope of what Genos can do. 

Life changes and evolves.  That's the nature of it.

A message wrote with integrity..... Well Done !!!!!!

[Janus]

I's a step back to use software
modern keyboards got all on board to work with
And the price is to high for a piece of software, don't spend more then 50 euro for a full working versions
You must be crazy to pay 150 Euro for a restricted version
Software gives delays only with a very fast computer it will work fast enough
And when windows get an update to a new version you have no garantie for updates

Gr.Jan

[Henni]

Hi MarkStyles,

Thank you so much for your kind words.

Henni