New Realtime arranger software announcement

[Pino]

Henni

What's the point of uploading all the demos here, what can we do with the demos,?
surely we would have to buy the software to reproduce any of your demos,
€400 is a fair amount of money and that's just the beginning,
you still need to buy a module or a keyboard and a PC to go with it,
It's just bit of software, a 'data streamer', no samples or voices,
not sure why your raving on so much about it
unless you had a FREE copy.

Pino

[groovyband.live]

What's the point of uploading all the demos here, what can we do with the demos,?

What is the point of posting various demos of new (and old) Yamaha arrangers here? Or what is the point of posting various members' performances here?

surely we would have to buy the software to reproduce any of your demos,
€400 is a fair amount of money and that's just the beginning,

Surely we would have to buy the hardware (Yamaha so kindly sells to us) to reproduce any of those demos of their HW units.
€4000 for a Genos is a fair amount of money and that is just the beginning ....

you still need to buy a module or a keyboard and a PC to go with it,

... you still need to buy the speakers, the stand, the chair you sit on, also a PC to run their YEM software, or even just to upload their "updates" to fix all the bugs included in your initial purchase, and the missing essential features .....

It's just bit of software, a 'data streamer', no samples or voices,

The Genos too (or whatever new arranger you consider) is essentially just SOFTWARE (packaged in almost the same hardware you already have bought last time). And honestly, only a few hundreds of Mbytes of new samples, when everybody on the internet gives you hundreds of GIGA bytes for much less money .... not to speak about the hundreds of GIGA of flash storage (SSD) you can buy for peanuts. When they gave you only 1 or 2 !!
They not even bothered to update the same 20+ years old style engine player (a 'data streamer' like a midi player) built in since PSR 740.

not sure why your raving on so much about it
unless you had a FREE copy.

We were asking the same whenever someone is telling how good was this or that new Yamaha arranger (never a defect, no missing features, is the user that does not understand ...).

We were asking why YOU never pointed out that fact. Are you paid by Yamaha?

If you do not bother about this product, why do you keep coming to this thread? There are plenty. Enjoy your Genos (or whatever you have) and let other people make their own choices.

By the way: to be more constructive, why don't you post here some of the fabulous results you obtain with your equipment? That would be the best way to promote your sponsors! 

[groovyband.live]

Excuse me, I have two questions, Can we save the midi songs that we create using your styles? Can we play midi files with the same features like Megavoice to normal voice, round robin, etc? Thank you in advance for the answer.

Groovyband Live! is not a midi file player, and hence cannot play those files.

It is not even a midi file recorder. It outputs data on 16 midi channels to be consumed by a sound generator (currently a suitable Yamaha arranger). If you want to record those midi data you have to do it through external equipment (or even better through a virtual midi driver within your PC, that sends the data to a DAW for recording/editing, and from there to the sound generator for monitoring). Example: https://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html

But beware: in order to achieve smooth sound transition when you switch sounds (i.e. OTS), a thing that does NOT exist on Yamaha arrangers (which play noises whenever you try), midi channels and DSPs are dynamically allocated on the fly. That means that the same part COULD change the midi channel it is transmitted on during your play (also multiple times).

So when you edit your data in a DAW you have to take this into account. You also have to use a DAW that can record and reproduce sy***es (a lot of them are generated!).

[Pino]

This is 'PSRtutorial' for YAMAHA arranger keyboard players, it's a non-profile making forum, looks to me like you are here to make a profit, if you were selling a software to edit YAMAHA styles then no problem.

For your information I contribute my playing her often, I will upload here right now something played on my old S910, does the style sound ok?, if you need more I have many, many recordings on my SX900. Big band - Ballads - Bossa, which would you like?

As regards to Henni, He came onto this forum to sell his YAMAHA styles at $3 each because he was flat broke, didn't have any earnings or a pension, he came in through the backdoor and that was ok at the time.

Now he is beginning to sound like a "salesman on commission."

Pino

https://app.box.com/s/hhgtlm4anjgwr57i4r5n0gqm3kh6z0b6

[Henni]

Pino,

Back off!!! It is YOU who are spewing out the insults over here. No one has insulted you in the least in this topic.

As regards to Henni, He came onto this forum to sell his YAMAHA styles at $3 each because he was flat broke, didn't have any earnings or a pension, he came in through the backdoor and that was ok at the time.

Now he is beginning to sound like a "salesman on commission."

Pino

https://app.box.com/s/hhgtlm4anjgwr57i4r5n0gqm3kh6z0b6

I have been here for many years, twelve or more to be exact. I suggest you go count my free styles on:

1. Hennis Collection page,
2. Hennis Multipads page
3. Hennis Voices page
4. (you will find many other uploads which I did not bother to include in any of those pages, don't make me search & list these to shame you even more)

These came burning a lot of midnight oil whilst holding a full time job as Project Engineer, spending a LOT of time away from home working on projects. Please show me YOUR free contributions on this forum?

And let's get one thing straight - I intend to post links to many more demos over here as and when I create them, with or without your permission.

I became a little wiser - I will ignore your & similar comments flat. So please excuse me for no longer reacting to any of your comments.

Groovyband.live, I ask you to ignore this gentleman & his comments totally - let him pour his heart out over here for all to see his envy, we do not need to respond to anything. We know by now in which direction he is trying to steer this...

Henni

[groovyband.live]

Groovyband Live! is not a midi file player, and hence cannot play those files.

It is not even a midi file recorder. It outputs data on 16 midi channels to be consumed by a sound generator (currently a suitable Yamaha arranger). If you want to record those midi data you have to do it through external equipment (or even better through a virtual midi driver within your PC, that sends the data to a DAW for recording/editing, and from there to the sound generator for monitoring). Example: https://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html

But beware: in order to achieve smooth sound transition when you switch sounds (i.e. OTS), a thing that does NOT exist on Yamaha arrangers (which play noises whenever you try), midi channels and DSPs are dynamically allocated on the fly. That means that the same part COULD change the midi channel it is transmitted on during your play (also multiple times).

So when you edit your data in a DAW you have to take this into account. You also have to use a DAW that can record and reproduce sy***es (a lot of them are generated!).

To build upon my previous answer: there is another possibility. Suited to those well into the "music making" business and well versed with PCs and software.

This discussion might also be of interest to another potential user (reading this thread) that asked us privately.


1) You connect all your hardware (midi ins/outs), possibly only a single Yamaha arranger, to a DAW. Businness as usual.

2) To the same DAW you connect GBL's midi in/out through a virtual midi cable (such as the software driver we linked previously).

3) You record/program/edit your performance as usual, on the DAW.

4) You AUGMENT your performance with suitable midi events (grouped on a "control" channel) that drive all GBL's functionalities.

5) GBL can be programmed to bind ALL his functions (i.e.: button pushing on the UI) to incoming midi data (note on / CC messages). These bindings are those to be encoded in the midi "control" channel, so that you can precisely trigger a fill, OTS change, variation change, whatever ....

6) Chords are input in the DAW as "blocks" of straight notes playing flat for as long as necessary, with the required inversions.

7) The DAW plays the edited performance tracks (control, block chords, melody) INTO GBL's midi in, and records GBL's midi out.

8 ) GBL's midi out is the finished "midi file", ready for playing on any devices (Yamaha XG compatible!). You do not look into it and never touch it! So it does NOT matter if the midi channels are dynamically allocated or there are tons of sy***es. It is just a black box.

9) If you need to edit your performance you have it in the DAW, organized in as many tracks as you need (sy***es free).

10) Once edited, play it again into GBL and record again (simultaneously) GBL's output!

11) You can also build the backing control and flat chord tracks first (purely with mouse in the DAW). Play them through GBL and record your melody in real time over GBL's realtime arrangement. So that you are not distracted by the need to play chords/fills/variation changes, ... Thay are all already preprogrammed!

12) Edit once again (add OTS change, ....) and iterate.

13) You can also bounce audio into the DAW, either a single channel at a time, or all the mix.


BEWARE: we never tried all this. It is just brainstorming. If someone is interested and is willing to try we have the free demo.

[Bill]

Pino,

Back off!!! It is YOU who are spewing out the insults over here. No one has insulted you in the least in this topic.

Groovyband.live, I ask you to ignore this gentleman & his comments totally - let him pour his heart out over here for all to see his envy, we do not need to respond to anything. We know by now in which direction he is trying to steer this...

Henni

Hi Henni

Do not get so up tight. Pino is only expressing what you have previously said about having to desperately make some money. (No insults there)  Pino's comments about you starting to sound like a Salesman on Commission are again his thoughts and I have to agree with him.  Judging by the ratio of your posts and the replies - I thing most people are getting a little tired of it all. That is a shame because people are now turning off, instead of being interested.

It would also be useful to state if you have Purchased the complete software package yourself and are you intending to offer (for Sale) modified versions of the GBL styles.  Most people will be interested in what you goals are.

I have downloaded the Demo version of the GBL software but the very short working time does not give me enough time to get my head around it. Hence I have deleted the program.   

Regards

Bill

[Pino]

Henni, with all due respects, I'm not picking an argument with you and I'm not pouring my heart out over anything, I am an experienced arranger keyboard player.
If this software were to edit YAMAHA style or save as YAMAHA format styles I would be delighted,
But
It's nothing to do with YAMAHA styles.
It means we have to buy this software and use other equipment just to get things going.
I may as well connect to my Ketron SD40

... Keep cool forever. 😀

Pino

[Henni]

...I thing most people are getting a little tired of it all. That is a shame because people are now turning off, instead of being interested.

"26,340 Views" - Yes Bill, I see the logic in what you are stating. Thank you so much for pointing out the obvious...

By the way - Most of the style demos I posted here were recorded using the Demo version only - I've found the demo time to be not only gracious, but also adequate seeing it was received for free...

[elad770]

Henni,
The only reason I joined the thread is because of the 4 page length and hearing about it again and again and again.
Number of views is not indicative of interest or popularity necessarily.
This is not the first time you are being a bit sensitive.  To say you sound like a salesman is not an insult.  Your enthusiasm over this software is exaggerated and thus, it's clear that there are other factors ($) that effect your enthusiasm.

Now, for the main part:
What does it mean : Not for Yamaha???
This software does not edit Yamaha styles? I dont get it
Can someone explain?

[Henni]

...Your enthusiasm over this software is exaggerated and thus, it's clear that there are other factors ($) that effect your enthusiasm...

Yes, I get 75% commission of all software packages sold. I am currently making a real killing with this.

Did I mention how much I made in promoting the GHENOS package with the same zeal?

Thank you so much for pointing out the above...

I downloaded a 63MB demo version of Groovy Band Live! for free. It runs for around 10 minutes at a time forever. Yes, I cannot save, but I received ALL the styles and it is FULLY functional. I can use this demo to make studio quality recordings of any song I fancy should I wish to do so.

The least I could do is give my feedback/evaluation on this program. Everyone criticized the GHENOS pack when it was discussed here, yet to this day I am so glad I purchased it. I utilize it EVERY single day and I have not spent better value for money on my Yamaha as yet.

To this day I simply cannot understand the animosity displayed by some on other things of value direct Yamaha related. No one is forced to read here. I love good styles. Well, I've found some VERY good ones in this package and I love to demo them to those interested.

[Wouter1972]

Henni, I get it you are really enthusiastic about the software but It's starting to sound like a real cheesy telsell commercial which you probably don't want to portray right?

You have made your points in this lengthy post, why not give people the time to sort out the free demo and if they should have any (critical) questions. Try not to answer in a condescending manner.

[Henni]

Tx Wouter1972

I'll take a break from this topic for awhile. Please allow me the following:

What I don't like to see is a member coming on here full of enthusiasm at owning a new keyboard being shot down with nasty remarks and negative feed back.

Henni

[DrakeM]

I have opened this thread 100 times myself already. However I think the TITLE keeps changing and thus the CONFUSION causing my repeated OPENING of this USELESS thread. Congrats on the NUMBER of HITS to this thread. YOU ARE THE WINNER!!! 

Now, reading through the last dozen posts, members are saying this software is NOT for use by our keyboards. Is that a FACT or not?

I read you use the keyboard as part of the process to make the recording only. We can't make take the finished "Item" (which I still can't figure out what the heck it this Yet) and use it with any Yamaha keyboards (even the Genos).

So, here is my FINIAL question then. Why is this THREAD allowed to be LISTED under the category of YAMAHA KEYBOARDS? If the Forum Moderators would simply move this thread to where it belongs, ITEMS FOR SALE, I would QUIT click on this unless thread. 

Regards
Drake

Please assist my request to move this thread to the CORRECT location in the forum as my time is a valuable to me too. 

[groovyband.live]

I have opened this thread 100 times myself already. However I think the TITLE keeps changing and thus the CONFUSION causing my repeated OPENING of this USELESS thread.

The title NEVER changed. Not even once. It has been always the same since the first post in 2018.
If you keep reading the same thread you say it is useless, and you still in 2020 could not recognize this fact, then probably the problem is not in the thread/title.

I politely and discretely advice you to search somewhere else the cause of this.


Taken away your 100 clicks, if someone else keeps coming and reading it for news, maybe they find it WORTH READING. And not just click the title by mistake as you do.
Do not assume all the others suffer your own cognitive problems! It would be extremely offensive for them. And statistically unlikely.

I also ask the MODERATORS to take action against members gratuitously saying others' threads are useless. When those members, by their own admission, could not even remember anymore the title, let alone understand the content!

[Henni]

All this in only one afternoon - comments from "respected" members that have no interest whatsoever in this software apart from wishing this topic to be locked and the main contributers banned if they at all could...

not sure why your raving on so much about it
unless you had a FREE copy.

looks to me like you are here to make a profit, if you were selling a software to edit YAMAHA styles then no problem.

As regards to Henni, He came onto this forum to sell his YAMAHA styles at $3 each because he was flat broke, didn't have any earnings or a pension, he came in through the backdoor and that was ok at the time.

I thing most people are getting a little tired of it all. That is a shame because people are now turning off, instead of being interested.

Your enthusiasm over this software is exaggerated and thus, it's clear that there are other factors ($) that effect your enthusiasm.

...but It's starting to sound like a real cheesy telsell commercial...Try not to answer in a condescending manner.

I have opened this thread 100 times myself already. However I think the TITLE keeps changing and thus the CONFUSION causing my repeated OPENING of this USELESS thread.

Well, it didn't take you long to break your promise to stay away for a while and instead continue with your usual verbal diarrhea. Good luck selling your magic water to the Indians.

I am AMAZED that these comments are allowed - this is just another topic. Read it or don't read it.

[groovyband.live]

All this in only one afternoon - comments from "respected" members that have no interest whatsoever in this software apart from wishing this topic to be locked and the main contributers banned if they at all could...

The Ancient Greeks (the root of Western civilization), already >2500 years ago, were well aware of what lives in some people's mind. Concept admirably condensed in the fable of The Fox and The Grapes.

Also kids can readily recognize this pattern here.

[Wouter1972]

Tx Wouter1972

I'll take a break from this topic for awhile. Please allow me the following:

Henni

Well, it didn't take you long to break your promise to stay away for a while and instead continue with your usual verbal diarrhea. Good luck selling your magic water to the Indians.

[terryB]

Ancillary software which is for Yamaha keyboards and its development is of interest to some members, and can be easily bypassed. This topic has been ongoing for some time and should be easily recognised. I would be interested to hear a report from any Genos users.

Cheers
Terry

[Henni]

I've just changed my mind - same crowd as over at SynthZone. Same goal. Only this time you'll not succeed. Joe is intelligent enough to read between the lines of some of this circus.

I'll continue with ALL of my intended posts & DEMOS over here until I am warned with a valid reason by a moderator. I give you fullest permission not to listen to those or read over here. This is just another topic. We are not attacking or belittling anyone like some of you do. So keep on trying. All I'll do is add your rude remarks to the current "hall of fame" for all to see. Apart from that, you'll draw no further response from me, so please be my guest and merrily insult away...

Just so that Joe & everyone else know - this same circus on the same topic succeeded in getting me banned from SynthZone. Hence Drake's "YOU'RE THE WINNER" remark. They are trying their utmost best to achieve same here, even posting real silly remarks like he did. As long as they can only get a reaction as that is all that they are after.

This is one of thousands of topics on this forum. If you do not like the content, then read something else instead.

Let's get one thing sorted, shall we - the reason for my enthusiasm about this product is nobody's business. Those who've known me through the years know my un-curbed enthusiasm for something good. What you think about it could not effect me in the least!

I read in the first few posts that some even received free licenses for this package in the hope of some feedback or at least some evaluation. To my surprise I did not read any. I think humans are the most selfish animals on this planet.

In the meantime, I'm sure Groovyband.live will continue to answer all sincere questions about this product.

Also nothing more from me on the above. I'll focus on the topic header only. I am discovering many things as I use this package & I'll make these known as & when I find them.

[RoyB]

GroovyBandLive! is software specifically designed to be used with Yamaha arranger keyboards, and therefore it is a legitimatic topic of interest.

However, I think the best place for this and other software to be discussed is in the Software section of the Essential Extras section of this board - perhaps the moderators might consider moving this thread to a more approriate section?

It looks to me like a very interesting and worthwhile software development potentially of interest to some arranger owners, and deserves to be considered and discussed fairly and objectively. Hopefully, the discussion can now proceed in a reasoned, friendly and respectful  manner without the the personal insults and animosity that have come from both sides of the debate.

Following on from my previous post regarding GBL, I have now had an opportunity to install the demo and quickly look at the software. I have only spent a very short time with it at the moment, and my very early first impressions and opinions about it are somewhat mixed. However, to be fair to it, I do need to spend some more time trying it out - it does look like a slick and well thought out piece of work and seems to perform smoothly and without glitches. And I can appreciate how it could certainly benefit owners of some keyboard models. After I have had an opportunity to spend more time with it, I might come back and post a more credible and considered review of my findings and thoughts. If I can be bothered at the time, I might even make a Youtube video demonstrating to those who don't want to install the demo how it performs in action - but don't hold me to that!

Regards

Roy

[groovyband.live]

RoyB,

thanks for taking the time to test our software. We are open to any constructive critics and suggestions, as we explicitly say also in the splash screen. In these 14 months from the launch, we have received a lot of feedback from honest users that were sincerely interested to see if it was any good and/or suitable for their needs.

Many of them did NOT at the end buy the product. That is fine, this how an open market works. But we want nonetheless thank them for their feedback that we used to improve the program. None of them ever thought to personally insult or gratuitously bash our product without even give it a try.

But at the end, all depends on good manners and education one has received. And in this respect not all are born equal.

Regards.

[DrakeM]

However, I think the best place for this and other software to be discussed is in the Software section of the Essential Extras section of this board - perhaps the moderators might consider moving this thread to a more approriate section?

Yes MOVE this THREAD to the CORRECT section of the FORUM.

This is an AD for SOFTWARE  (payware) and nothing more. It is NOT software for the GENERAL Yamaha keyboard players.

I don't SEE any of Jorgens software POSTED in this section of our forum ... DO YOU???

So, MOVE the DARE thread and be done with it, for crying out load.

[Roger Brenizer]

Before posting in the original board, "Groovyband Live!" contacted us and asked permission to post a Topic on our forum, about their software.  We gave them permission to post in one board of their choice, and one board alone, or our moderators would view multiple Topics posted in other boards as spam and subsequently those Topics would be removed.  We also advised "Groovyband Live!" that they may also risk being banned, by not complying with the above.

This Topic has existed on our Forum since November 19, 2018.  We have members who like what they see and other members who don't.  If this software isn't to your liking, please move on to Topics of interest to you.  No one forces any of us to read any of the Topics posted on our forum.

At the request of some of our valued members, I have moved this topic. 

[Jørgen]

...
I don't SEE any of Jorgens software POSTED in this section of our forum ... DO YOU???
...

Hi

... and these software programs are not even commercial but freeware 

Jørgen

[billtracy]

The title NEVER changed. Not even once. It has been always the same since the first post in 2018.
If you keep reading the same thread you say it is useless, and you still in 2020 could not recognize this fact, then probably the problem is not in the thread/title.

I politely and discretely advice you to search somewhere else the cause of this.


Taken away your 100 clicks, if someone else keeps coming and reading it for news, maybe they find it WORTH READING. And not just click the title by mistake as you do.
Do not assume all the others suffer your own cognitive problems! It would be extremely offensive for them. And statistically unlikely.

I also ask the MODERATORS to take action against members gratuitously saying others' threads are useless. When those members, by their own admission, could not even remember anymore the title, let alone understand the content!

I'll say the same thing to you here that I said over on Synthzone when your comments (which are still there for all to see) became abusive and not merely rude as they are here (EDIT: actually, I see you have accused one member of having "cognitive problems" so that could be considered borderline abusive). See if this rings a bell-"the customer is always right." In this case, your potential customers are everyone on this forum. If you want to sell them something, it might be prudent to simply ignore those folks who criticize your product (even if that criticism is unfair) or are not interested in it. There is a guy named AJ from Ketron who advertises at Synthzone and I have never seen him act the way that you do. It defies all common sense in my opinion.

I would never buy your product for this reason alone. I would be afraid that if I needed customer support, you would berate me. I don't think you're going anywhere, which is a shame because I think your product is probably a good one from all indications.

[Henni]

Alas and so the circus continues...

You are not a customer. I AM!!! I have nothing but good things to say about this company. You have no idea how helpful they've been with every one of my requests to them. Also, seeing that I am a power user of this software & not a mere speculator only, I guess my opinion might carry just a little more weight...

Maybe you should consider this advice given by a moderator:

This Topic has existed on our Forum since November 19, 2018.  We have members who like what they see and other members who don't.  If this software isn't to your liking, please move on to Topics of interest to you.  No one forces any of us to read any of the Topics posted on our forum.

Respect DEMANDS respect! Problem is many like to dish out, but do not like to receive in kind what they've just dished out.

[billtracy]

Alas and so the circus continues...

You are not a customer. I AM!!! I have nothing but good things to say about this company. You have no idea how helpful they've been with every one of my requests to them. Also, seeing that I am a power user of this software & not a mere speculator only, I guess my opinion might carry just a little more weight...

Maybe you should consider this advice given by a moderator:

Respect DEMANDS respect! Problem is many like to dish out, but do not like to receive in kind what they've just dished out.

Henni,

I have no problem with you at all. You are a talented man and doing some good things. But aren't you just a little bit bothered by the rhetoric used by groovybandlive both here and at Synthzone? I have never seen a vendor treat people that way-that is my only point. Of course, he is not going to talk to you like that, you are probably the best thing that ever happened to him. And I am not saying anything bad about the software-it looks to be a good product and I have no problem with him selling it here. I just don't feel that someone who is "in business" like he claims to be should act that way. I strongly suspect this is just a sideline for him and he makes very little of his income from it. Otherwise, I don't think he would be acting that way. And as far as respect, how about groovybandlive having a little respect for the members here? Just my opinion.

[Henni]

This person did nothing but make others aware of their new software. However if you read through all the responses with an open mind, you will see that he received mostly insults in return. Hearing how there is no market for their product amongst others most of the time.

I can tell you for a fact that their package is every bit as good as they claim. I have not found a single exaggerated claim that they've made whereas some, even as mentioned by yourself, often spice up features with the appropriate wording (as is the norm with modern promotions) resulting only in disappointment in the end. You would not know this as you are not a user! I am...

This is a serious package and must have taken a LOT of time, effort & dedication to create. Now would you not also get just a little uptight & overly itchy in return when your hard work is constantly being belittled by those who have not used it at all? Hell man, constructive criticism comes from those USING your product, NOT from those merely speculating about it...

As for the other forum, despite numerous demos highlighting what their creation does, he kept on hearing how all of this COULD NOT be possible with midi. Not a single person posted a demo to the contrary despite being requested to do so numerous times.

I have zero finesse. If anyone comes looking for a fight with me, they'll get it. Maybe this is why I can relate with Groovyband.live. But I do have enough savvy to recognize something outstanding and I inform you for a fact that GBL is just that.

Also, not many developers offer a free trial of their full software forever except for a few limitations. Imagine the risk in doing that in the age of piracy that we find ourselves in. If they had anything to hide they would NEVER do this.

Now let's take your example. The biggest noises over here complained that this topic was residing in the wrong location. So a moderator finally moves it. Here I am now thinking we'll have some peace and intelligent discussion at last.

No more posts for awhile over here as the main objection has been addressed. Next thing you come and now even drag SynthZone into this, even talking about AJ who has absolutely nothing to do with PSRTutorial or GBL.

What do you or anyone else expect to happen if you continuously pour petrol onto an open fire?

[beykock]

Hi Henni :

The price might be an issue for many members of this forum, IMHO.

I am convinced ( by you ) their quality and service is superb but for me (  and perhaps also for others  ) this program is too expensive.
That is the only reason why I will not buy it ( for the time being ).

Thank you for your efforts and your great job.

Enjoy your Sunday, Babette