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Update on the competition -- Casio CTX-700 >>> And now, CTX-3000!

Started by SciNote, March 08, 2018, 05:40:49 AM

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pquenin

Well it's difficult to say because everyone has its own preferences.
The Casio keybed is smoother, more "shiny" as AnupamEnoshand would say, and the keys have a slightly longer "travel" (don't know exactly how to say in English). Maybe I would prefer the Casio keybed a little, but I have no problem with the E453, I feel right with it.

AnupamEnosh

I won't assume anything before I actually see the keybed. Right now, the Casio CTK Keyboards have a cheaper keybed than Yamaha, but have a smooth finish. I would still prefer a Yamaha Keyboard over a Casio keyboard anytime.

SciNote

As my updated title now indicates, I have now seen the CTX-3000 in person.  Still waiting for that music store to display the PSR-E463, but they told me today they are waiting until the E453 sells out (even though the E463 is right there, bulk displayed in boxes).  So, I may have to see if I can find the E463 elsewhere, for the time being.

Anyway, back to the CTX-3000... It's a very interesting keyboard.  Kind of a mixed bag.  It doesn't make me want to trade in my E433, nor would I immediately recommend it over an E453 or E463.  But, if you are getting ready to buy a keyboard and don't have any existing preference for one brand over another, the CTX-3000 is worth a look.

It's about $300 US street price, so it's about $20 more than an E453/463.  The sound is very good -- I would say on par with the PSR-E400 series keyboards.  Especially the electric guitars -- and there are dozens of them -- very good rock/distortion guitar sounds.  Portamento is available and can be switched on or off for almost every sound, except those sounds that have it pre-programmed in -- with those sounds, I did not see a way to switch it off.  Unfortunately, there is no speed control for the portamento -- it is just one setting -- but it is a useful setting.

There are 16 banks of 8 registrations -- for a total of 128 registrations.  Are you listening, Yamaha?  The styles also have four variations, and they can be selected directly by pushing one of four buttons.  I did not experiment with the styles too much, but I checked out a rock style that had great drums and had those great electric guitars backing it up.  There are also "phrase pads", but I did not experiment with them.  There are no DJ or Groove patterns.

From what I can tell, any sound I selected was all on one "voice" -- in other words, none of the ones I checked had to turn on the dual voice to get the desired sound (which is something that happens with a couple dozen or so sounds on the PSR-E400 keyboards).  And, you can save 100 of your own sounds.

This is where it gets interesting.  There are all of the expected sound editing parameters that you'd find on the PSR-E400s -- filter cutoff, resonance, attack, release, chorus, reverb, DSP, and even vibrato and delay.  However, all of these effects can only be accessed through menu selections, which limits any live control of the parameters.  With the PSR-E400s' knobs, even when not adjusting the sounds "live" during a performance, I find that those knobs make it much easier to come up with a custom sound.  Yes, you have to go into the menus to adjust the parameters for main and dual voices individually (as using the knobs adjusts them for both simultaneously), but it is still very nice to be able to tweak the sounds with the knobs.  Also, with the DSP, from what I could tell, you can either switch it on or off, and you can select a type of DSP, but you cannot "fine tune" the DSP, like adjusting the speed and depth of a phaser or rotary speaker effect, for example.  The reverb and chorus, however, can be adjusted, and there are more reverb and chorus selections than on the PSR-E400s.

I did not experiment with combining sounds, but the keyboard appears to have dual voice for both the upper part of the keyboard and the lower/split part of the keyboard.  I also did not experiment with the sequencer, but I recall the specs indicating it being superior to the PSR-E400s' sequencer.

The key feel is another touchy area -- no pun intended.  When I first started playing it, I thought to myself that it felt very spongy.  However, as I was messing around with it, I got used to it.  However, I still feel that the E400's are significantly better.  But it is possible that someone more used to a weighted piano feel might like this keyboard better due to the increased resistance of the keys -- but it is definitely not a hammer-action weighted key feel.  Definitely play it before buying.

So, that's where we are, so far.  There is a CTX-5000 out there that I have not seen yet.  From what I've read, it includes a modulation control button that is not on the CTX-3000, but I don't know if there are any other differences.  In any case, if you're looking for a lower-priced keyboard, these keyboards are worth checking out.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

SciNote

I've done some more research online and learned a few more details.  First of all, the specs do mention "DSP editing", so maybe the DSP effects can be customized?  I don't know -- when I selected the option to edit a tone, and then selected DSP, other than turning the effect on and off, the only other thing I saw was a setting for a single parameter to select the type of DSP.  And even that was kind of weird -- it wasn't like there were, say, 100 types of DSP logically numbered from 1 to 100.  They seem to have numbers and labels related to the preset sounds that utilize that type of DSP from the factory.  Like if (and these are just made-up, hypothetical numbers) sound number 150 is a distorted electric guitar, you would select DSP type number 150 to get that effect, regardless of whatever the number is of the sound you are applying it to.  And just because there is a "DSP 150", doesn't mean there is a "DSP 151" -- as you turn the data wheel, the next one up may be "DSP 156" or whatever.  I did not see any provision to actually go into those DSP selections and change their parameters, but maybe it is buried in a submenu somewhere.  Or maybe, by "DSP editing", Casio simply means that you can change the DSP setting of a sound.

The specs also mention an arpeggiator with 150 selections (like the PSR-E400's), but I didn't see any controls for it.  Again, maybe in a menu -- or maybe I just didn't notice it.

And, my research does indicate more of a difference between the CTX-3000 and the CTX-5000 other than just a modulation button -- which I would hope is the case, as the CTX-5000 is going for about $150 more than the CTX-3000.  Differences include more reverb, chorus, and delay types.  That modulation button, which can be assigned to different parameters.  It has a set of category buttons that apparently allow you to jump right to a particular category of sounds and styles.  Also, it has a more powerful amplifier.  Maybe there are more differences -- I'll have to see it in person to tell.

One more interesting point -- the CTX-3000 and CTX-5000 both have rhythm editors on board.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

vbdx66

Hi Bob and thanks for this review.

These keyboards sure look interesting but I am not sure that I would trade Yamaha for Casio. I remember that the previous line of Casio arranger keyboards generated some kind of hype about 4 or 5 years ago (with the CTK and WK), with some of them having a rhythm editor, drawbars etc. But in the end I sticked to Yamaha for two reasons:

1) I always felt that Yamaha was superior soundwise, esp. with the Cool! and Sweet! sounds, even if there is only a handful of them on the PSR E4xx series (albeit a few more since the PSR E453 and 463: Sweet! Trombone, Sweet! Harmonica and Sweet! Classical flute), I notice that I am coming back to these sounds ever and ever again.

2) As far as styles are concerned, Yamaha is a winner, even with only one Intro, two Main and one Ending. Unfortunately the people demoing the CT-X line of keyboards have only demoed styles emphasising today's hit songs. The problem with this type of styles is that you can use them only for the song they were made for. I'd like to hear more CT-X demos with pop, Ballad, jazz and rock styles. But I am wondering if Casio will surpass Yamaha in that matter, I strongly doubt it. I very much like the styles of the PSR E4xx series (at least some of them, I reckon some styles are cheesy), esp. in the Jazz, Pop, Ballad and Dance category.

On the other hand, where Yamaha should really pay attention, is the onboard sequencer and rhythm editor. The PSR E4xx and EW4xx should have a 16 tracks sequencer and an onboard rhythm editor, even if only for minor modifications (like changing the main voice in the style, or the volume of the different tracks, of maybe the drum kit). More DSP would also be nice. The DGX 650 has a very nice DSP module and I notice that since I have a PSR E433 again, I am still looking for the non-existent DSP module to tweak my sounds. I know there are a few DSPs on the PSR E453/463 but they certainly not are on par with the DGX 650/660 (even though you can tweak them with the Live knobs of course).

With the CT-X 3000 and 5000 now hitting the shops, we can hope to listen to some nice demos in the forthcoming weeks. Maybe this will help clarifying things about the real quality of these keyboards. I hope we will also see more demos of the PSR E463. My next move will probably be for the PSR E463. The Audio USB recording on an USB stick just seems so handy.

And one question: what makes you like your old faithful PSR E433 better than the CT-X 3000? I am really curious.

Best Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

SciNote

On the PSR-E433, the key feel is second to none in its price range, and the live control knobs give easier access to the reverb, chorus, filter, and envelope generator -- not just for live playing, but also for sound creation.  Those features are important to me.  With the key feel, especially.  The Casio just seems to have a spongy feel to me, though it least it feels of higher quality compared to their older models and doesn't make the cheap plastic sounds that their earlier models did.

But honestly, that CTX-3000 has some very impressive sounds, and I love that portamento feature.  If I didn't have any keyboard and was shopping for the first time, and if the E433 was a current model, I would have to give it some thought as to which one to buy, though I think the key feel and knob control would still win me over on the E433.  Since the E453 and E463 add DSP, as well as additional polyphony and (on the E463) sampling, the scales probably tip to the Yamahas more easily there.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

SeaGtGruff

I haven't watched it yet, but there's a 3-hour (yes, hour) video of someone unboxing and demoing a CT-X5000 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFtf-vR7IZg

AnupamEnosh

I skipped that 3hour long video for most of the part to watch the styles, and after watching that I conclude that Yamaha gigs are still unmatched.

SciNote

Remember when YouTube videos were limited to ten minutes (lol) ?

Anyway, I realized something else about that Casio.  As I was making edits to the selected sound, such as changing filter and envelope settings, I had to do so from a menu.  When I was done, I had to hit an "exit" button, and when I did, it asked me if I wanted to save my settings.  I selected "no", but upon thinking about it, I believe that the only way to save these types of changes to your sound is to save the new, edited sound into one of the 100 available user tones.  And, if I am not mistaken, my old Casio CTK-691 works the same way.

Why is that important?  Well, on our Yamahas, when we make changes to the filter, envelope, and other settings, we can do those changes to the main and dual voices that are selected (and to a lesser extent, also the split voice), and then save all of those changes to a registration without having to create a special user tone for each edited sound (which is not possible on our keyboards, anyway).  So, imagine that you want to make four registrations, each involving, say, a piano sound with different filter, envelope, chorus, and reverb characteristics.  On our keyboards, we call up the piano sound (along with any other dual or split sounds we want), make the tonal changes, then save it all to a registration.

On the Casio, you first have to create new user tones for each new piano sound, with the new filter, envelope, etc. parameters, that you want.  And then, you store those new user tones as part of your registrations.  In this example, that would mean that you would need to use up four of the available 100 user tones for this purpose.  If your registrations had any other sounds that you wanted to customize (meaning if you also wanted to combine these piano tones with other tones that you also want to edit), then each of those tones would also require their own user tone, using even more of the 100 slots that are available.

That may or may not be a big deal, but it would seem like -- especially with 128 available registrations -- you would quickly use up the available user tones, unless the majority of your registrations were using the factory tones with no edits.  And if you ran out of user tones and starting writing over existing ones to save new user tones, then of course, any registrations using the existing tones (that you are now changing) would also be changed.

I may have to take another look at this, but I did not see any way to just simply alter the tonal characteristics of voices in registrations and simply store those changes to a registration without needing to make new user tones.  If this is as it seems, then that seems like a disadvantage to me.  However, I know there is a mixer function, and I think that certain functions, like the amount of chorus and reverb, can be adjusted on the mixer (but I don't believe filter or envelope can be adjusted on the mixer).  If the mixer settings can be saved to a registration, that would at least give some limited way to save some tonal adjustments without having to create new user tones, but it would be limited -- kind of like what we can adjust with a PSR-E400s' split voice.

Of course, the advantage of all this is that these new user tones, with filter, envelope, and other edits, could also be used as split voices, whereas our keyboards do not allow any filter or envelope changes for the split voice.  It's a tradeoff!
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

pquenin

I'm not sure that you have to store the edited tone on the Casio before saving a registration... But you may be right...
I prefer store edited tones as tones rather that registrations.
I have played in a shop in Lyon with the CT-X5000 and having owned a Casio MZ-X300 I can say that the news sounds of the new CT-X line come from the MZ-X line, with the same conclusions for me :
- better sounds on the Casio that on the PSR-E serie,
- better sound on the PSR-S that on the Casio (in particular the guitar sounds) but the synth sounds are still better on the Casio.

The keybeb what great on the CT-X5000 (smoother and less noisy that on my Yamaha PSR-E453 and PSR-S670).
The speakers are more powerfull than on the PSR-S670.
But the body of the instrument gives the impression of a cheaper keyboard.

Regarding the CT-X3000 I think it can be compared to the PSR-E453/PSR-E463, but is overall a better choice than the Yamahas.

AnupamEnosh

CT-X 5000 is here, and well, being an arranger keyboard, it fails to deliver a decent accompaniment section. The best feature of the keyboard is its new Piano patches. Sadly, it is the only good feature in this keyboard. But definitely it is a step over CTK series. Definitely Yamaha needs to work on its EP section of PSR Exxx keyboards.
Also I found that the design is much better than before, but would that help much in sales ? I found people confused with this keyboard, they showed mixed reactions on social platforms. Waiting for the global launch of this awesome gig though.

SciNote

I actually found the CTX-3000/5000 manual online, and it looks like I was wrong about a couple things.  First of all, it IS possible to edit the DSP's and create your own settings.  I still don't fully understand the process, but it looks like there are 28 basic DSP features, such as phaser and rotary speaker, and you can edit quite a few parameters related to each feature.

Also, the speed of the portamento CAN be changed.  And in fact, it appears that all of the different parts you're playing -- the two upper voices and the two lower (split) voices -- can have their own portamento speeds.

However, the built in sequencer has an important limitation.  It has 17 tracks -- they're labeled as one system track, and 16 solo tracks.  With the system track, it basically records what you're playing on the keyboard, including the two upper voices and the two lower/split voices, which is great and something we cannot do with the PSR-E400s' sequencer.  But with the 16 solo tracks, they only record what is set as the Upper 1 voice, which is like the PSR-E400s' main voice.

This means that, if you set up an intricate orchestral patch/sound using the Upper 1 and Upper 2 voices, like we would do to combine different sounds using main and dual voices to get a more lush and complex sound, and save it to a registration, you can only record that entire sound on the one system track.  The 16 solo tracks would only record the Upper 1 part of the sound.

Clearly, Casio is treating the registrations more as a performance feature than as a way to store complicated patches used for recording.  So, except for recording to the one system track, if you did have a sound with Upper 1 and Upper 2 (like main and dual voice) components that you wanted to use while recording a multi-track song, you would either have to set up the two components of the sound (the sounds you'd want for Upper 1 and Upper 2) separately as user tones, and then call those user tones up one at a time, and then record yourself playing the same melody twice, once each on two separate sequencer tracks with the two user tones, so that the playback would have both sounds playing together.  Or, you'd just have to incorporate a DAW and just record tracks using the complex registrations to the DAW.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

vbdx66

Hi to all,

Here is another video by Jeremy See where he is comparing the CT-X 700 with the PSR E363 and E 463:

https://youtu.be/eB3un92Rfbs

He got an interesting idea for this video: he is using the Yamaha Grand Piano CFX piano sample of the Yamaha Clavinova CLP 675 as a reference point for the CT-X 700 and the PSR E363 and E463 piano voices.

Needless to say, the Clavinova kills the three smaller keyboards. But IMHO the PSR E series beats the Casio CT-X 700 as far as acoustic pianos are concerned.

Where I was surprised is that to my ears at least, when digitally recorded, the PSR E363 grand piano voice sounds as good as the PSR E463 patch, so I'd like to get your opinion about that (needless to say the PSR E463 has much better speakers than the E363 so when played through the onboard speakers the E463 piano sounds better than on the E363).

I also find that although there was much ado about the CT-X aix soundchip, the Sweet! Saxophone of the Yamaha's, for instance, sounds much better than the saxophone of the Casio.

I am very curious to hear what other forum members are thinking about this video  8)

Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

AnupamEnosh

Grand piano sample of E363 and E463 sound quite distinctively different, I believe the parameters for the factory preset voice have been tweaked, perhaps the attack and release. And I strongly feel, this is a case for most of the preset voices as shown in the video, even though it is a minor difference. But the E463 sounds more realistic than E363 and E463 has got this extra bass. (I was not expecting this comparison, though)
Definitely Casio has an edge over Yamaha for putting in some great EPs, but no good styles at all !

vbdx66

@Anupam:

Well, this is exactly the point. What is the use of an arranger keyboard if the styles are of poor quality?

I personally feel that Casio EPs are punchier and Yamaha EPs mellower ; I still like the Yamaha's better, but my opinion might be biased from having played Yamaha's for too long.

Best Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

Practical Senses

Casio really should reconsider price point of CTX-700 in Europe.
With a price similar to PSR-E453and sound/functionality like PSR-E363 there's no point to buy CTX-700. 

SeaGtGruff

I was just downloading the CT-X documents to my iPad when I saw that Casio had released the MIDI Implementation for the CT-X700/800 and CT-X3000/5000 since I'd last checked (which was a month or two ago). And judging by the titles of the MIDI Implementation documents, there will be at least nine CT-X models:

CT-X700
CT-X800
CT-X870IN

CT-X3000
CT-X8000IN
CT-X3100
CT-X5000
CT-X9000IN
CT-X5100

I grouped them based upon their shared MIDI Implementation documents (i.e., one covers the CT-X700/800/870IN, and the other covers the rest), and listed them in the order they're given in the titles. The implication appears to be that the CT-X870IN will be like the CT-X800, the CT-X8000IN will be like the CT-X3000, and the CT-X9000IN will be like the CT-X5000, but with additional Indian tones and rhythms.

AnupamEnosh

Indian models :-)
Quote from: SeaGtGruff on July 04, 2018, 05:52:42 AM
CT-X870IN will be like the CT-X800, the CT-X8000IN will be like the CT-X3000, and the CT-X9000IN will be like the CT-X5000, but with additional Indian tones and rhythms.
Absolutely hate the fact that now they will bring the same CT-X models with a few Indian voices/styles. This is a kind of Casio's strategy to sell their keyboards in India, because Yamaha has gone outdated in this field. If Yamaha by chance, brings a successor to I455/I425, then it would take over the market by storm, but they aren't interested as it seems !
A lot of Indians on internet ask about the successor of I455, which Yamaha isn't listening to, and this has made Casio a good survivor in market. I don't understand why Yamaha India is still manufacturing I455, because its styles and hardware are outdated and when compared to E453, sound not-so-good enough.

SeaGtGruff

If the existing pattern holds true, we could possibly see a new PSR-I model this year:

PSR-E403 (+ 22 =) PSR-I425
PSR-E433 (+ 22 =) PSR-I455
PSR-E463 (+ 22 =) PSR-I485 ???

vbdx66

Well spotted Michael  8)

That said, this seems rather strange. Do you think that Yamaha would really stick to the maths? If they are business minded, would they not rather look at the sales projections on the Indian market before releasing a new product?

Also, what would a new PSR i485 have which is not already in the E463?

Regards,

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

SeaGtGruff

There's certainly no telling if Yamaha will release any new PSR-I models ever, let alone this year or next. But the PSR-I425 was a customized (or localized) version of the PSR-E403, and the PSR-I455 was a customized version of the PSR-E433. So if there's a PSR-I485 in the works that's going to be a customized version of the PSR-E463, it will presumably have all of the new features that were added since the PSR-E433:

  • Aux In (added with the PSR-E443)
  • Scale Tuning (added with the PSR-E443)
  • DSP Effects (added with the PSR-E453)
  • 10 User Styles (added with the PSR-E453)
  • Built-In USB Audio Interface (added with the PSR-E453)
  • 48-Note Maximum Polyphony (added with the PSR-E453)
  • Sampling (added with the PSR-E463)
There might be other features that I missed; those are just the ones I could remember.

But that isn't what you asked, is it? Presumably the hypothetical PSR-I485 would have everything that the PSR-E463 has, but with Indian "tabla/tanpura" patterns instead of the "DJ patterns" or "grooves," and with some additional Indian voices and styles which are not found on the PSR-E463 (but some of which might find their way onto the hypothetical PSR-E473 a couple of years from now).

vbdx66

Thanks Michael  8)

It is very well said as usual. If it ever comes on the Indian market, this hypothetical PSR i485 will indeed be a very nice instrument.

Regards,

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

AnupamEnosh

Well a few minutes back I saw this ad, where they have dropped the price of I455. This is the first time they cut the rates down, anyways note that there is a mega discount on MX61. (MX-61 is seldom available in offline market here, and very few people actually purchase it). Such old keyboard like I455 is still on production & sale, even though I425 got discontinued around 2015.
Don't know about their plans, but E463 & finally EW410 are launching in India very soon.
I highly doubt they would launch anything like I485. 🙂

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Quote from: vbdx66 on June 18, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
He got an interesting idea for this video: he is using the Yamaha Grand Piano CFX piano sample of the Yamaha Clavinova CLP 675 as a reference point

Needless to say, the Clavinova kills the three smaller keyboards.
Thanks for linking to this video.

Unfortunately this comparison is invalid or is the oldest trick in the audio sales business.

Clavinova's sound in this demo is obviously compressed and louder. The trick in the audio biz is to make the more expensive equipment just very slightly louder.

Clavinova's actually have two compressors in their audio path:

1) standard mixing desk audio compressor
2) Intelligent Acoustic Technology (IAT) proprietary compressor that is somehow controlled by the pianist's technique of fingering and pedaling

I think all Clavinova's have IAT switchable to various levels, but only CVP models have explicit control of the Master Bus compressor. All cheaper models have the main bus compressor fixed and rolled into the "Room" control.

Anyway, this Clavinova's sample was obviously quite brutally compressed to the level called in the USA "FM radio mix". It would be extremely obvious on the percussive sounds of e.g. hi-hat or snare. It is also very obvious on something like nervous finger nail tapping on the table that sometimes gets picked up by microphones.

I re-watched his video and he only used the rhythm tracks with a drum kit on the cheaper keyboards, but on Clavinova he only played a pure piano sound.

I don't think that Jeremy was doing this on purpose. I just think he's a trained musician by trade and doesn't have an idea how to conduct a proper level-matched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test .

Relevant somewhat technical articles about the "master compressor" in Clavinova's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Edit: The above message may be somewhat too analytical. Let me try to rephrase it in a constructive way:

If you feel that the sound of grand piano from the Clavinova is somehow obviously "better" you do not have to spend money to get that sound. You can get a very close approximation of it by recording the sound from your economy keyboard into your DAW and then experimenting with various settings for the dynamic range compressors that are available in nearly every DAW in existence.

pjd

Quote from: SeaGtGruff on July 04, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
PSR-E403 (+ 22 =) PSR-I425
PSR-E433 (+ 22 =) PSR-I455
PSR-E463 (+ 22 =) PSR-I485 ???

Thank goodness it's "+ 22" and not the  Fibonacci sequence.  :D

Thanks for all of your posts, Michael.

-- pj

SeaGtGruff

Quote from: pjd on November 02, 2018, 12:39:09 PMThank goodness it's "+ 22" and not the  Fibonacci sequence.  :D

I don't know what the significance of the "plus 22" is. One of my oddball theories is that "22" might be some kind of "geographical zone number" at Yamaha that means "India," or something along those lines-- except the "I" in "PSR-I" already indicates that those models are intended for Indian musicians. Maybe it doesn't mean anything at all?

QuoteThanks for all of your posts, Michael.

You're welcome-- but don't encourage me, or I might start posting all of my evenball theories! ;)

KeyboardMaestroYT

Well... For one, i can't stand Jeremy See, the way he interacts with his subscribers/viewers is just strange in my opinion, i also dislike his way of showing the machine, he comes across as cocky just from looking at his body language..

Anyway, the CT-X sounds GREAT for the money, but no matter how much Casio will try, they will NEVER beat the PSR range of keyboards. The Sweet! Voices have been in to keyboards since 1997 and are still sounding great today, tell me... What technology has Casio implemented that still sounds good today? Maybe the DSP effects from the ZPI chip on the CTK-671/691/MZ2000 etc?

In terms of styles, i said this before under a video of KeyboardKrazy49. I love Casio! But the styles on the PSR E models sound pretty dynamic and full of life. While the same (Sorta the same) styles on the CT-X sound programmed and dull. Now i know that they are programmed! Duh, but the CT-X (even the 5000) sounds like an early 90s Yamaha keyboard when it comes to the accompaniment..

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Quote from: KeyboardMaestroYT on November 03, 2018, 02:29:25 PM
Well... For one, i can't stand Jeremy See, the way he interacts with his subscribers/viewers is just strange in my opinion, i also dislike his way of showing the machine, he comes across as cocky just from looking at his body language..
C'mon, please cut him some slack. He's living in Singapore where the music scene is both highly competitive and artistically moribund. He's forced to buy subscriber/follower services to exist in the scene.

Please read this about the historical perspective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claque .

He's making standard mistakes of made by most of musicians by not taking care of properly miking his speech and making sure that his voice can really be understood, not just heard.

KeyboardMaestroYT

I'm not talking about the way he's talking, i can perfectly understand him even when there's music going on in the background, it's just that whenever i see people in the commentsection asking questions he either A, ignores the question and just asks for a thumbs up and subscribe. B, he just completely ignores it, or C, he answers the question but just with one word.

Last week some guy asked "Jeremy which keyboard is better, the CT-X3000 or the PSR-E463, and he literally responded with "CT-X3000" not telling the guy WHY it's better no, just "CT-X3000" i'm sorry but, no matter how good of a quality your videos are, if you have a strange way of communicating with people who watch your videos then for me that's done..

My videos are terrible in quality, recorded with my smartphone with the microphone from the phone (It's still pretty good though) no colour corrections, nothing fancy with a DSLR or with 4K resolution stuff. But on the other hand am I the sorta person who responds to ANYONE in a friendly way, if they want to know something about a certain keyboard i'll TELL them, if they ask me a question i try to answer it properly..

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Quote from: AnupamEnosh on April 10, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
Update : Here is a video from Popmusic.ru, they post legit good reviews.
Thank you very much for recommending that site. They keyboard demonstration guy really tries to show the available functionality. Despite being a competent musician he's not ashamed to make intentional mistakes to properly demonstrate the learning features.