When can we see the next upgrade?

[AlBags]

Pink Floyd?..... It's my favorite Group!!!!...
The dark side of the moon, Wish you where here, The Wall, The final cut, Animals and so many more!!!...
However with this we need Audio Styles (Audio Drums and more),.... I am a lover of old Pop, Rock, Soul, and more music....
I hope Yanaha to fix soon  the problems like Audio Styles, FX Chain, Sustain Pedal to create new wonderful Styles!!!

Just had a listen to the others ... Great.
Also love the Afro Pop
Great if you can remap to Genos .. I think they will be great!

I just wish someone would make a Pink Floyd style song album


Al.

[Enildo]

Yes .. love them .. Seen them in concert three times! 👍😁
I am playing Great Gig In The Sky (DSOM) with modified freeplay style and CFX Stage Grand/Kino string modified DSP layers. 👍  Also Another Brick In The Wall (quite easy)
But Gilmore's slide guitar is impossible for me ... We need some kind of Ribbon Control for a pedal steel sound 😊

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHI2jaLzWfY   < Good!   

Im not so old .. but was brought up with Pink Floyd, Barclay James Harvest, Genesis, Deep Purple, etc.

Al.

You can use a "PedalSteelAmp" of your choice and turn on the "mono" Voice Effect. Then adjust the portamento to plus or minus "85". If it's to play solo notes, it's very good.

I hope you have understood what you wish and I am not explaining any nonsense.

Hug,
Enildo

[AlBags]

Hi Enildo ..

Thanks! I will try tomorrow!

Al.

[PierreSW]

Seems like Yamaha has stopped updating Genos.
They have something else to do than to correcting their programming errors and mistakes.
Yamaha seems to be pleased with Genos as it is, but I'm not satisfied.

// Pierre

[Ikspeel]

Yep i think they give all the time now for the genos2

[Sokratis1974]

Seems like Yamaha has stopped updating Genos.
They have something else to do than to correcting their programming errors and mistakes.
Yamaha seems to be pleased with Genos as it is, but I'm not satisfied.

// Pierre

But could they not actually be planning  something  big? Maybe an upgrade and not an update... I am just wandering..

[PierreSW]

Let's hope for it.

// Pierre

[Fred Smith]

Seems like Yamaha has stopped updating Genos.
They have something else to do than to correcting their programming errors and mistakes.
Yamaha seems to be pleased with Genos as it is, but I'm not satisfied.

I don't think you can say that three updates (1.1, 1.2, 1.3) in less than a year is "stopped updating Genos".

I could be wrong, but I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised that we'll see an update before the end of the year which not only fixes bugs but adds new features.

Here's hoping,
Fred

[PierreSW]

I don't think you can say that three updates (1.1, 1.2, 1.3) in less than a year is "stopped updating Genos".

I could be wrong, but I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised that we'll see an update before the end of the year which not only fixes bugs but adds new features.

Here's hoping,
Fred

Hope you are right.

// Pierre

[pjd]

Seems like Yamaha has stopped updating Genos.
They have something else to do than to correcting their programming errors and mistakes.
Yamaha seems to be pleased with Genos as it is, but I'm not satisfied.

// Pierre

My guess -- they are on a six month update cycle similar to Montage.

-- pj

[Bachus]

My guess -- they are on a six month update cycle similar to Montage.

-- pj

I doubt it...
With montage evry update had new features and/or new content..

I think the arranger team deffinately works their own road..

[Fred Smith]

I doubt it...
With montage evry update had new features and/or new content..

I think the arranger team deffinately works their own road..

Why does that negate pj's conjecture?

The Genos has been out less than a year. The last update had a significant new feature (Voice Guide).

I'm with pj. I think we'll see updates like Montage -- every six months, and at least one new feature.

Fred.

[Bachus]

Why does that negate pj's conjecture?

The Genos has been out less than a year. The last update had a significant new feature (Voice Guide).

I'm with pj. I think we'll see updates like Montage -- every six months, and at least one new feature.

Fred.

Because they are on 2 whole different teams? 
That so far have not shown much cohesion so far..

Only time will tell who is right..
Not really worth discussing this...
As both pj and me base our statement mostl on assumptions..

[PierreSW]

If Genos had been a car, had the consumer been satisfied with that condition Genos came out with?
You can only drive on first and second gear first year, then we'll see if there are more gears in the future. Who wants to buy such a car?
Having to wait almost a year to get all the mistakes corrected.... I do not think so.
Calling Genos a Digital Workstation is wrong (locked styles and incomplete editing options).
It's just a keyboard with styles to play and that's Genos good at. in today's implementation.

// Pierre

[Wouter1972]

Hi Pierre,

I think your car analogy is somewhat exaggerated (missing gears). I believe the car (Genos) already has all the hardware installed (you already know upfront the Engine capacity, Seats, etc) The users are looking for software updates like updating navigation, being able to increase programmesettings of their seat which they seem to miss in this high end luxury car. Fair enough

[EileenL]

I think most of us are using our Genos with no problem. I have not come across any "mistakes" as you put it.
  You will never have the perfect keyboard that suits everyone because everyone want's different things from it. Me I just want to take it out and play it and so I have spent time setting it up to do this by tweaking up my sounds and styles to produce what I want.

[Bachus]

I think most of us are using our Genos with no problem. I have not come across any "mistakes" as you put it.
  You will never have the perfect keyboard that suits everyone because everyone want's different things from it. Me I just want to take it out and play it and so I have spent time setting it up to do this by tweaking up my sounds and styles to produce what I want.

There is indeed nothng wrong with the Genos..
Sounds great, and no real bugs..

There is just some things missing i would like to see
The €1200 modx6 makes that even more clear.

But what Genos does, it does it excellent
The only thing many think wrong is the non tilting display
But you can't solve that with a software update.

[meriam]

Im glad to say that Yamaha did fix a few problems
with the previous upgrades.
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Version History

[V1.20 to V1.30]


-Added a new function: Voice Guide.

-The function "Voice Guide On/Off" is newly assignable to the ASSIGNABLE buttons or the foot pedals.

-Improved the settings of some One Touch Settings.

-Improved the performance when performing flick operations on the Menu display.

-Improved the operability when showing lyrics of the "MP3+G" type on the Lyrics display.

-Fixed a problem in which the "Expression" parameter of a part would be reset when the Voice of the part was changed from a particular S.Art2 Voice.

-Fixed a problem in which certain MP3 files would not playback properly.

-Fixed a problem in which the "Play Root/Chord" setting of SFF Edit on the Style Creator display would not work properly.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally become unresponsive to operations when the Style was changed during playback of an Audio Style.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would, in certain situations, become unresponsive to operations when attempting to save a User Style after memorizing a One Touch Setting.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would, in certain situations, become unresponsive to operations when executing "Export Instrument Info" on the Expansion Menu display.

-Fixed a problem in which, under a certain situation, the Insertion Effect settings for the LEFT part would occasionally not be stored to the Registration Memory.

-Fixed a problem in which the Insertion Effect "Type" of one of the keyboard parts would occasionally be changed when the Insertion Effect "On/Off" of the part was turned off, from displays such as the Voice Edit display.

-Fixed a problem in which wireless LAN connection would not be established in Infrastructure mode, when the password included some special characters.

-Fixed other problems.


[V1.10 to V1.20]


-You can now search through the following contents: Voice, Style, Song, Multi Pad, and Playlist

-You can now play multiple Audio Link Multi Pads simultaneously. You can also switch to the behavior in which only one Pad can be played back at once, as in version 1.10 or previous. This setting is made from the display called up via MULTI PAD CONTROL [SELECT] -> [Menu].

-You can now select and play an Audio Style file on the USB flash drive directly.

-You can now edit Audio Styles with the Style Creator function.

-You can now select the Drum Kit of the "Expansion" folder on the Drum Setup window of the Style Creator.

-You can now record the sound of Audio Style and Audio Link Multi Pad playback with the Audio Multi Recording function.

-You can now select whether playback of a Multi Pad stops in the following cases, on the Style Setting display:

・When Style playback is stopped.

・When the Ending section of Style is played back.

-You can now select whether playback of Style and Multi Pad stops when MIDI Song playback stops, on the Song Setting display.

-You can now select the displayed font on the Lyrics display, when showing lyrics of Audio Songs.

-You can now select the Ensemble Voice category, even when you call up the Voice Selection display via the Voice Part Setup display or the Mixer display.

-You can now switch between "Menu 1" and "Menu 2" by pressing the [MENU] button on the Menu display.

-You can now switch between the "Dual Player" and "Song List" modes by pressing [SONG] on the Song Playback display.

-The current playback position (bar/beat) of Style or MIDI Song are now shown on the Home display.

-The current playback position (bar) of the Style is now shown on the Style Creator display.

-A new LIVE CONTROL assignable parameter is available: "Keyboard Volume."

-The default settings of LIVE CONTROL slider assign type 1 are changed: the "Keyboard Volume" is assigned to slider 9.

-A new "Regist Bank Edit" display has been added.

-The following four functions are newly assignable to the ASSIGNABLE buttons:

・Regist Bank Information

・Regist Bank Edit

・Style Information

・Multi Pad Edit


-Changes: When the following data types which include a file link to an external drive is loaded, this instrument will search related files from all the connected USB flash drives, regardless of which drive path is specified.

・Registration Memory

・One Touch Setting

・Audio Link Multi Pad

-Changes: When a Music Finder Record file is imported as a Playlist, the Playlist Records will be output, sorted in alphabetical order.

-Changes: When the Voice of one of the keyboard parts is set, Modulation Hold will be set to off, and then Modulation (+) and Modulation (-) parameters will be reset.

-Changes: You can call up the Regist Bank Edit display with the DIRECT ACCESS function.

-Changes: In certain types of the File Selection display, some shortcuts of related functions that can be called up via the "Menu" icon have been added.

-Changes: When showing the lyrics of an Audio Song, the lyrics of one row before the current playback position will remain.

・Before update: All lyrics before the playback position would disappear.

・After update: Lyrics of one row before the playback position will not disappear if they are on the same page.

-Changes: The behavior of the instrument when the Song Recording display is closed has been changed.

-Changes: On the Search display, the elapsed time from the last time the search index has been updated is shown.

-The maximum single file size has been increased to a maximum of 4 GB.

-The maximum number of "new" Audio Recording files has been extended to 2,500.

-The design of the following displays has been changed:

・Regist Bank Information display

・Style Information display


-Fixed a problem in which the Multi Pad information would not be stored to the OTS of a User Style.

-Fixed a problem in which the REGISTRATION MEMORY buttons and REGIST BANK [-]/

• buttons would not work properly when a particular display was shown.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some parameters were not stored/restored with the System Backup function and Registration Memory function.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the Registration Memory Bank name would not be shown properly on the Home display, when a Bank file of the Tyros series was loaded.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally not respond to operations, when certain Registration Memory Bank files of the Tyros series was loaded.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some Playlist Records would occasionally not be loaded when a Playlist file was loaded.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some Preset Voice folders would occasionally not be shown on the Voice Selection display.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which noise would occasionally occur when changing the "Organ Rotary Slow/Fast" parameter in some Effect Types.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which certain parameters of a MIDI Song could not be recorded properly when re-recording with the MIDI Multi Recording display.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the instrument response would slow down when certain Preset Wallpaper was selected.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the detailed settings of some functions assignable to the Foot Pedals on the Assignable display would not be shown properly in some cases.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the setting of switching between the AUX Out and the Sub 3-4 on the Line Out display would not be restored properly.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which Auto Power off would be executed when the Panel Lock function was enabled.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the Factory Reset function on the Utility display would occasionally not work properly.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some parameters were not stored properly to the "MIDI" Setup File when saving the data on the Utility display.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some parameters were not stored properly to the MIDI Setting file when saving the data on the MIDI display.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some assignable Functions on the MIDI External Controller display would not work properly.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which wireless LAN connection would not be established in Infrastructure mode, when the password included some special characters.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which the lighting of the buttons would occasionally not work properly.
  
  -Fixed a problem in which some displays would occasionally not be shown properly.
  
  -Fixed other problems.
  
  
  [V1.02 to V1.10]
  
  -You can now use a new function: Audio Multi Recording.
  
  -Now supports use with the Yamaha Expansion Manager (V2.5.0 or later).
  
  -Supports Expansion Audio Styles.
  
  -You can now search for the desired Registration Memory Bank file when adding it to the Playlist.
  
  -You can now additionally save the following parameters to a Registration Memory.
  
  ・Arpeggio Velocity
  
  ・Arpeggio Gate Time
  
  ・Arpeggio Unit Multiply
  
  ・Style Retrigger Rate
  
  ・Style Retrigger On/Off
  
  ・Style Retrigger On/Off & Rate
  
  -You can now check the Wireless LAN status on the Time display.
  
  -The lighting condition of the [RECORDING] button has been changed; it now displays the recording status.
  
  -The timing to execute Wireless LAN connection processing has been changed.
  
  -Fixed the names of some Voices.
  
  -Improved the settings of some Voices, Styles, and One Touch Settings.
  
  -Improved the processing performance in case that load is high when playing.
  
  -Improved the performance of MIDI transmit/receive.
  
  -Fixed other problems.[/b]

[PierreSW]

Okay that was a lot of fix. but...
Sorry I picked up the subject, seems like everyone is happy with Genos structure.
Just playing on then.

// Pierre

[Seagull29]

Hello, as Pierre and Bacchus say, Genos is good only for it's able to do: Plug and Play. But with editing, it's a shame for a so expensive instrument. It's a big "toy" but not a professional instrument. Of course, sounds and styles are good but it's not all we can hope to go further and work professionaly ! The advertising that Yamaha did with it was, in my opinion, misleading

[gerarde]

It works very well for me "professionally".
I have been playing "professionally" since 1960.
I have backed up Chubby Checker, Bobby Rydell, and others, and played "professionally" in Nashville from 1987 to 2000.
And I have not found a better "professional" keyboard out there that sounds as good as the Genos or has the features that the Genos has.
If there is a better one, I would love to know about it, as I have tried Wersi, Ketron, Korg and Roland.

Regards,
Gerard

[AlBags]

Hi

I dont think there is a 'better' Arranger Keyboard out there .. just different ones.
If Genos wasnt there, I'd have 'maybe' gone to a Korg PA (although I had no complaints about my Tyros5-76)

Al.

[Joe H]

Maybe I shouldn't comment here but I will give my "2 cents" anyway.

For those who haven't owned a "synth" or care to own one it is understandable that there are some musicians out there who "just want to play" while others want to create.  Creative people want to be able to do more than create new songs. For people with synths it's all about the "sounds".  Even Yamaha promotes this idea.  I have seen videos and read publications by Yamaha that state we can be inspired by a single sound alone to create a piece of music.  I think this is true... I'm a sound guy myself.

So... this back and forth about wanting a "synth arranger" is valid for some but not everyone.  Myself... I purchased a Motif Rack XS to satisfy my needs and am working on how I can integrate the Motif in a way that it becomes an extension of my arranger.  I've made a lot of progress on this attempt and just might publish an article for Joe W to include on the main PSR Tutorial site one day for those who are interested.

I seriously doubt that we will see Yamaha release an arranger/synth like Korg did.  But I would love to be proved wrong.

Joe H

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Hook the Genos up with Cubase and vst Instruments
Pro as you like. Sky Is the Limit

[Bachus]

Hi
Hook the Genos up with Cubase and vst Instruments
Pro as you like. Sky Is the Limit

Cubase is not really best suited for that..

Mainstage has all the features you want from a live vst host..

Because you allready have a player and sequencer inside your genos..
You dont use most of the cubase features when playing
Cubase(or logic) however is very nice when creating comtent(midi) ..

[Bachus]

It works very well for me "professionally".
I have been playing "professionally" since 1960.
I have backed up Chubby Checker, Bobby Rydell, and others, and played "professionally" in Nashville from 1987 to 2000.
And I have not found a better "professional" keyboard out there that sounds as good as the Genos or has the features that the Genos has.
If there is a better one, I would love to know about it, as I have tried Wersi, Ketron, Korg and Roland.

Regards,
Gerard

Depending on your wants amd needs...
Sonically i agree with you...
And even for the total package of an arranger i agree with you..
Genos is on top of the game..

But for me it still leaves much to be desired ...
Thats mostly because i am not stricktly an arranger player..
And allways combined my arrangers with an 88 key workstation..
I love playing and creating my own sounds and multi layer/split setups
And adding several,arp's,to my styles..
Or recording my own style parts. And edditing them(midi) till perfection.
Because i am not the perfect player that plays everything in one take perfectly

But for a tradiional arranger player Genos has pretty much all the tools on board..
And it sounds Phantasic..


When i look however at my kronos and modx, there is quite some features i would love to see in the genos. Which would also make a great addition for traditional arranger players and hobby players in the long run...

[Ikspeel]

Only thing i need
Song a midi + song b midi same time with a option to start the midi from a marker
So i can play medley
And for the style play i always have my textfiles in genos i hope they give us colors bv.red for chords,and black for text it would make Reading the textfiles mutch beter