Is this an SFF2 style?

[Toril S]

Hello friends. Here is my little problem:  I see this style is datet 2004, so I thought it was an SFF1 style, but it sounds VERY meager on my 2100! Half the band is on vacation. Is there a quick way to check the style format?
BTW, I can't use much of my current "gig disk" on my 2100, because most of the styles are SFF2! So I will have to make a separat disk with SFF1 styles. I have been asked to play a couple of places, but my S970 is still on repair. So my trysty 2100 will have to do.
Style attached. It playes very well on my S970!

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[Ryszard Bieszczad]

Hi Toril
You can check the style structure with a program
https://psrtutorial.com/MB/midiplayer.html
Regards
Ryszard

[Toril S]

Thanks, Ryszard

[XeeniX]

Just downloaded it Toril and opened it in mixmaster. It's SFF1 with Yamaha copyright event still in it. Besides mixmaster and Ryszard's suggestion there are more programs to check that can do the trick. Or to convert from SFF1 to SFF2 if you would like to. Jõrgen Sõrensen's unofficial Yamaha resource site ( http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm ) is a treasure of neat programs that are easy in use (and workable with a screen reader btw.) that can help you out in a lot of cases.

regards,
Peter

[Toril S]

Thanks Peter! Just wondered because it sounded so bad on my 2100. Usually SFF1 styles sound great on it.

[Dick Rector]

Toril, it maybe has to do with the megavoices in the style. I loaded your style in my PSR 2000 and it sounded very thin. The same style in the PSR 950 sounded fine.

[bmarcill]

hello


  style converted  in sff2


  ben

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[Afton72]

  Hi Toril & Ben,
                         Thank you for the 2 versions of this style, shall be interesting to compare them.

                    Cheers,        Alan

[Toril S]

Thanks Dick and Ben. Yes, Dick, that is what happened when I tried to play it on my 2100. It was very thin. On my 970 it sounds great. Thanks for testing it on your 2000! Ben, thanks for converting it to SFF2!

[Jørgen]

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Is there a quick way to check the style format?
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Yes!
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sff/index.htm

Jørgen

[Toril S]

Thanks Jørgen!

[tyrosaurus]

Hi Toril,

I downloaded and looked at your 'Auld Lang Syne 3' style, and it is actually nothing more than the Yamaha preset style 'Slowfox' which is in the 'Ballroom' category on many keyboards.

This version has a 2004 copyright so is probably from the PSR3000.  The Bass channel uses a MegaVoice which won't be available on your 2100, but I wouldn't have thought that this would give the symptoms that you describe!

However your 2100 already contains it's own version of this preset style (in the 'Ballroom' category) which will obviously be voiced for that keyboard (the bass part is a normal voice), so you might want to try it to see if it sounds better.

I have tried the PSR2100 and PSR3000 versions of the preset style as well as your 'Auld Lang Syne 3' style on my Tyros4, and they sound slightly different as you might expect due to different voices, part levels, effects etc.   However the note patterns seem the same so I suspect that the 'Auld Lang Syne 3' style was simply the unmodified PSR3000 preset version of 'Slowfox' which has been renamed as a file with the name of the song that the originator used it for.  The fact that the copyright event is still in the  MIDI code seems to support this (on my T4, if I modify and save a style from Style creator, any copyright statement is deleted, although I don't know if this applied to earlier keyboards)!

The intros and endings of the T4 preset version of 'Slowfox' are quite different.  This change seems to have been made to the preset versions on Tyros2 and PSR-S900 onwards.  There are also additional channels (Phr1 and Phr2) used in the Main variations 3 and 4 which give a fuller sound than your 'Auld Lang Syne 3'.  What I don't understand is why the same 'Auld Lang Syne 3' style sounded so different on your S970 even with the 'missing parts'!   

Out of interest I have modified a version of the style staring from the PSR3000 preset version of 'Slowfox' and added the patterns missing from the Main C and D sections.  I have replaced the Mega voice in the Bass channel and tried to ensure that all voices used are available on a 2100.    I also balanced the levels (to my taste!) so that it sounds OK on my T4.

This version is attached in SFF1 format as 'Auld Lang Syne 4 SFF' if you want to try it on your 2100.


Regards

Ian

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[Toril S]

Hello Ian! Thank you for taking time to modify the style for me! Much appreciated! It now sounds great on my 2100!