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[Eric, B]

Thank you for your reply Heidrun.
The Europe and Samba Pa Ti sounds are great. No doubt.
Santana played a Gibson Les Paul on these tracks. He switched to PRS guitars with Smooth.
There are setting for guitar amps and effects on YouTube to get that sound.
I have seen the effects even with a Fender Strat and it works great.
Just a bit over my head
I thought with all the DSP power in the Genos it should be possible ...
Thanks again.
Great work.
Eric

[Heidrun]

Hello Gloria,

thank you for your kind words!

I try to make my work as professional as possible, but surely also I have my personal limits.
Since I started with Soundwonderland I learned lots of new musical and graphical things, and every futher year was very valuable and important.

Both topics are wonderful creative, and surely I will never reach the point to know all around them.

So Eric, perhaps there is a better Santana sound in our keyboards as I achieved.
It is my knowledge and ability of today, what I reached - but I continue learning every day! :-)

Kind regards, Heidrun

[Heidrun]

...and: I am no guitar player to know all about the finesse of a Santana guitar - I have only my ears! :-)

[Roland]

Hello Eric,

You can pack as many DSP's in a keyboard as you like; to a guitarist it will still sound like a keyboard and to a keyboard player it will still sound like a guitar 

Paul Drongowski on his site has a great article about this - see http://sandsoftwaresound.net/which-guitar-is-which/

Just reading through the guitar pickup types - you can already tell that there is so much more to this. And yes, you will find lots of suggestions about settings, but can you imagine what it takes for every great guitar solo and sound to research the history of it, their original set-up, what makes them unique, and what it is that took them to their "signature sound" - in order to produce the appropriate samples and settings on a keyboard?

I too am a crazily huge fan of the Santana, Pink Floyd, Alan Parson's, Natharez, hell even Uriah Heep, etc. sounds - and I really wish I had at least a VSTi or something I could use "out-of-the-box" - but to find the one that "nails it" - has in most cases still eluded me :-) And in my thinking, it's not that the Yamaha sound engineers don't want to produce them - it's more like "where do you even start with all that variety?"

So thank you for input, because that is exactly what is needed so the guys at Yamaha can get a feel for what sounds folks are after.

Cheers, Roland

[Heidrun]

Aaaah... thank you so much for this link, Roland.

As one can see: The guitar world is a completely different world, and to get the most authentic sound in our keyboards you need more knowledge that most of us probably have - me included.

I think, most important is the result of a sound: What sounds good and which voice combinations go together well.

But it is a really interesting discussion here!



Kind regards, Heidrun

[Eric, B]

Hello Eric,

You can pack as many DSP's in a keyboard as you like; to a guitarist it will still sound like a keyboard and to a keyboard player it will still sound like a guitar 

Paul Drongowski on his site has a great article about this - see http://sandsoftwaresound.net/which-guitar-is-which/

Just reading through the guitar pickup types - you can already tell that there is so much more to this. And yes, you will find lots of suggestions about settings, but can you imagine what it takes for every great guitar solo and sound to research the history of it, their original set-up, what makes them unique, and what it is that took them to their "signature sound" - in order to produce the appropriate samples and settings on a keyboard?

I too am a crazily huge fan of the Santana, Pink Floyd, Alan Parson's, Natharez, hell even Uriah Heep, etc. sounds - and I really wish I had at least a VSTi or something I could use "out-of-the-box" - but to find the one that "nails it" - has in most cases still eluded me :-) And in my thinking, it's not that the Yamaha sound engineers don't want to produce them - it's more like "where do you even start with all that variety?"

So thank you for input, because that is exactly what is needed so the guys at Yamaha can get a feel for what sounds folks are after.

Cheers, Roland

Thank you for the article Roland.
I remember reading it before.
Great job.
There are some great YouTube videos of guys playing distorted guitar solos on a KB.
Given, that it can never be the same as the real instrument, it can be pretty darn close.
After all we are not trying to be the instrument (which of course does not work) but create an illusion and try our best to emulate certain characteristics.
The SA and SA2 voices are of great help and a great starting point.
One guitar I always wanted was a screaming Wah distorted guitar.
The S-970 has a guitar for a great foundation.
After experimenting with the effects I got pretty close and are very happy.
The great thing is, that it works in my Genos .... 
The closest to a Santana guitar is the Guitar Hero From the T2, 3, 4
It lives in the legacy folder.
I usually use this one with another guitar to get close to the sound. ...
Santana uses humbucker   type guitars like Gibson Les Paul and PRS.
However, nowadays effects, stomper and amps can almost make any guitar sound like anything.
Look at the Taylor T5 ...
There are Stomp boxes to make your electric sound like an acoustic and vice versa.
That being said I saw a guy playing a very convincing Santana sound on a Fender Strat.
That's why I have hope, that even with the samples in the Genos we should be able to make it happen ...
Maybe Yamaha will listen and release a sound pack ...
Or Heidrun gets all inspired, or ... 
Best regards
Eric

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

What about Steve Hillage Glissando guitar!!!
SAUCER SURFING!!!
I also love that warm distortion guitar on Klaatu's album --   Lonliest of all Creatures in the Univese, when It gets to the orchestral journey through different styles of music
Hope by Klatuu Is a gem of an album

Long live 70s prog rock and obscurities  Black sabbath Tony Iomi's guitar!! "YES"!!!

Also give me a Jon Lord organ anyday, The one you can rock back and forward with the rotary going like mad. "Oh the mental days of Deep Purple" Great era.
Nothing like Organic rock!!

All the best
John

"

[Eric, B]

I saw Deep Purple in concert last year.
They still rocked it. 
Great stuff.
Eric

[AlBags]

Regarding the Pink Floyd guitars ..
Try Solid Guitar and Vintage Open (from Legacy sounds) as mixed R1 & R2, add reverb and effect, pan up to get depth to taste.
Thats what I use for Another Brick In The Wall.

The Soundwonderland styles should be good, as they are twice cost of Yamaha's own (at 15 Euro rather that around 7 Euro each. If I could understand any justification, I'd be there every week. I sympathise with Ryszard and Erbis.

Another option are Soundpacks UK registrations.

Al.

[Heidrun]

Hello Al,

justification?

1. Yamaha has his style producers in countries where they can produce cheaper.
2. The effort difference between styles that have only little differences in the mains
3. Difference between 2 bar style loops and 8 bar style loops
4. Free Video tutorials, pdf tutorials, repertoire lists, very good and direct support
5. Fair payment to the style programmers
6. No only a hobby beside a profession - but our daily bread
7. No mainstream products that are sold hundreds of times
8. Do you know what it means to have an own little company?
With all the laws, taxes, costs around?
9. .... did you ever programme a professional style from scratch for a Yamaha keyboard?
If no, you would NEVER ask such questions again...
They really make angry because nearly nobody knows what effort is behind.
Seven days a week, 14 hours per day!!!!

Regards, Heidrun

P. S.: By the way: How long do you have to work for 15 Euros?

[Heidrun]

P. S.: Cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.... is the best way to get monpols and worser quality!

[AlBags]

Hi ..

OK ... But CHILL 👍😊

SongWRITERS also get the crap end of the stick.
I DO think you should put these justifications on your website though. Be straight up with prospective customers maybe?
Personally, although I have the technical ability, and the patience, I could never do it, sat there 24/7. I appreciate long hours spent.. Yes I run my own business, work hard, and can make that amount in 40 seconds, that's not the point ...  I pitch to just ONE person, you potentially pitch to thousands worldwide 😊

It's not obvious on the website, what all the advantages of membership are.
And maybe you might consider optimising a mobile website version?
The layout is very peculiar and wide using mobile/smartphone.

Maybe I'll try a couple of styles 😉😊👍 Any style you do suitable for Brothers in Arms?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=jhdFe3evXpk


Cheers! Al

Now .. back to my Pink Floyd Great Gig in the Sky, Barclay James Harvest, and Baker Street!
Now .. This IS talent ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eci4nqyGUu0

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Heidrun

The sound quality of the Acoustic Guitars are great and so are the Electric Guitars and Strings. I purchased them.
I shall look over some more later

I realize it does take a lot of work to get sounds right and people must realize It saves them  time and are able to play straight out of the box.

All the Best
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi ..

OK ... But CHILL 👍😊

SongWRITERS also get the crap end of the stick.
I DO think you should put these justifications on your website though. Be straight up with prospective customers maybe?
Personally, although I have the technical ability, and the patience, I could never do it, sat there 24/7. I appreciate long hours spent.. Yes I run my own business, work hard, and can make that amount in 40 seconds, that's not the point ...  I pitch to just ONE person, you potentially pitch to thousands worldwide 😊

It's not obvious on the website, what all the advantages of membership are.
And maybe you might consider optimising a mobile website version?
The layout is very peculiar and wide using mobile/smartphone.

Maybe I'll try a couple of styles 😉😊👍 Any style you do suitable for Brothers in Arms?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=jhdFe3evXpk


Cheers! Al

Now .. back to my Pink Floyd Great Gig in the Sky, Barclay James Harvest, and Baker Street!
Now .. This IS talent ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eci4nqyGUu0

IMO____
Cannot stand that moo moo singer, absolutely dreadful and that keyboard sounding like a kids wind up toy.
Sort of mooooo MOO and rap rubbish. These women all sound the same today like a cats mewing. I call It dumbed down music.
Modern music Is getting into a rut and the same old rubbish is churned out week after week
Thank God for the Rolling Stones that bring class to Gladstonbury and showmanship.
Ozric Tentacles produce great new music that does not get recognized
I am still In love with Hawkwinds   Silver machine

  Bring on Pink Floyd , that is class and Camel!! . Now, that woman In Berlin can sing  Terry Nunn!! and the lead singer of Heart
I am so glad I lived through the great era of music Rock, prog, Soul, Stax, Mowtown, Atlantic,
Maybe I am getting old and grumpy!!!

All the Best
John

[AlBags]

Each to their own, I spose.

Now Camel .. Used to listen to their stuff all the time.Heart 👍👍 Alone.
I even have the rare Snow Goose album tucked away.  👍😊

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Al

My mate Dave says I am stuck In the 70s and have not moved on

If you find a Time machine ,I am off!!


Try the best of Tony Joe white

Also a band called    Snowy White ---- Bird of paradise,  lost gem


All the best
John


All the best
John

[Heidrun]

@ Al
Our clients know why they buy our products - without justification! ;-)

We have a mobile version, you can find the switch on the bottom left.
Did you ever try to turn your smartphone into landscape format?

As you can see,
our pages have
much more pictures
than any others
of keyboard
software
companies.

There is no
chance to show
them together
with our lots
of information
in upright format,
if you don't want
to have a result
as you can read
in this last
two sentences!!!
:-)

@ John
Is is not only that one can play out of a box.
Sometimes I have the chance to listen to self-made registrations of our customers.
.... no wonder they search for alternatives, to say it shortly.

By the way: These days we are building a new time machine.
Interested?  ;-)

[Heidrun]

P. S. Al:
Yes, thousands of persons are able to hear our products wordwide.
But one doesn't get rich from them.
Your imagination of sale numbers are far far far away from reality.
As I wrote bevor: We don't sell mainstream products.

[pjd]

... nearly nobody knows what effort is behind.
Seven days a week, 14 hours per day!!!!

Amen! I made styles from Motif/MOX performances. Each style took a day. And that was starting from finished musical material -- mostly the technics of translation, mixing and effect programming. Then there is testing on different arranger keyboards for compatibility.

A good quality style is labor intensive.

Keep up the good work, Heidrun -- pj

P.S. If anyone is interested in those styles, you'll find them here:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/motif-styles-for-your-arranger/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/perf-styles-e443/

[AlBags]

JOHN!

One of my old faves here ..  remember it?! BJH.
Newer arrangement, but some good keys stuff in this live arrangement!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxhan1BhVg

Al.

[AlBags]

P. S. Al:
Yes, thousands of persons are able to hear our products wordwide.
But one doesn't get rich from them.
Your imagination of sale numbers are far far far away from reality.
As I wrote bevor: We don't sell mainstream products.

Hi
Well, I tried to register, but I cant.
Using the mobile browser version, after entering details, pressing submit button does nothing. Just sits there.

The Orchestral Freeplay style shows up under T5 filter, but not under Genos .. Why?
\When will you have demo sound up inside those style selections?
Thx... Al

[Heidrun]

Hello Al,

perhaps your browser does not show the spam protection?



Without that it is not possible to finish a new customer's registration.
One browser shows it, the other doesn't?

I can register you if you mail your registration data to me:

https://soundwonderland.de/pages/en/customer-area/registration.php

For the registering you can tell me a temporary username and password.
You can change them after registrering in your customer account.

And about our styles.
It is up to the programmer if he builds also a Genos version.
Sometimes it makes no sense because the onliest difference would be the name.

The Tyros5 version of our both freeplay styles (Symphnoic Flow and Serenade) work fine also for Genos.
So take these versions, please.

Kind regards, Heidrun

[Gunnar Jonny]

I had to open another browser to register, because Chrome (my standard browser) did not show the 3 'agree markers' above the spam protect field that has to be ticked to register. 

[Heidrun]

Thank you for this information, GJ.

Here again my offer to send me your registration data per mail, so I'll do it for you.
Here the data we need from you:

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Username: (Take a temporary one)
Password: (Take a temporary one)

First name:
Name:
Street:
Country:
ZIP/Postal Code:
City:
Phone: (If you want, but you never get advertising calls. It is only in the case you need help somedays.)
E-Mail:

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By the way:
We don't give your customer data and tracking info to Google & co.
For more detailed information, please see our "Legal Info".

Kind regards, Heidrun

[AlBags]

GJ/ H

Ah! Mine didn't either (check boxes) Spam entry fine.  I have Chrome, Firefox and Dolphin on my device, normally use Dolphin.
(I'll check and let you know which shows, and which not, Heidrun) IT issue.

Al.

[AlBags]

Dolphin ...



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[AlBags]

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[AlBags]

Firefox is good ..
These are maybe the three best mobile browsers around at the moment.

Al.

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[Heidrun]

That means, only Firefox works, Al?

I know about the troubles my webpage programmer has got with all the different browser standards.
It is impossible to hit them all!

[Heidrun]

... an important question:

Which OS and which browser versions do you use?

Thanks for your kind help!

:-)